What a shame!

Vazhakam Pola, Kelvikku seriyaana badhil theriyalana Escape! :lol:

Seri, naanum thoongarean. :wave: :D

Honestly this discussion is sort of boring for me! I could not even get involved- not able to read your questions! :D

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Where as Live In Relationships/Pre-marital sex is okay as long as it's consensual. :huh:

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Does it not hurt any resultant child (plus aborted fetus lives) as these are denied their basic rights?

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Resultant Child is not nearly in proportion to Live In Relationships or Premarital Sex.

But how can we use this for this argument, when the same can be used for Divorces as well? What's the case with the Resultant Child in a Failed marriage??

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Boy, who is advocating divorce here? :x Execept in rare extreme instances divorce is another maldy of the global impact that has come to unsettle the minds of our youth carried away by 'consensual' concept! Failed marriages? How do they fail? And why? Again the children victimised by the wanton egoes of 2 self-centred persons. Thousands who assemble to witness a marriage bless the couple for successful marriage and nobody condones 'failed marriages'. Prove yourself at the home front first before setting out to show your prowess to the world!

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Honestly this discussion is sort of boring for me! I could not even get involved- not able to read your questions! :D

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sevidan kaathula sangoothuRa maathiri ithu oru vetti discussion! :lol:

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As for Abortion, I don't think we should be discussing about abortion when argueing abt liberalism or Conservatism. Abortion is an issue on it's own. Marriages or not. Are we a liberal or conservative society doesn't seem to matter, many from both have different Opinions, because lots of things come into play here. :)

So discussing aborted fetuses and if it's right or wrong from a "liberal live in relationship : pros and cons" point of view doesn't make much sense.

I think...i might have made sense. :P

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What you say makes no sense whatever! They are interrelated aspects of life! Grow up, boy!

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Well, per evolution (which according to me is outrageously foolish theory and not science), nobody need to render account to any one supreme - it's all genetic game / survival of the fittest etc.

So, rules / morals etc are a question of choice.

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I believe in evolution rather than a supreme. But I dont believe that there should not be any morals or arbitrary rules!

I dont think morals are "hand-written" by a supreme and handed over to us! I dont think we need to "use" the evolution to justify "incest" today! We live and learn! We dont try to change the history but we dont want to screw up the future generations in the name of whatever!

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The Basis of Evolution:: Things Change With Time To Suit The New Environment! Things Are Constantly Changing, and as Times Change, People Change, Societies Change, and Ideas Change.

U Believe in Genetic Evolution, but not Social and Cultural Evolution?

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Cultural evolution is that one which suggests you NOT to marry your cousin anymore! That is why that does not happen anymore!

What are you trying to say?

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That's not something that we changed on....Science told us to change on that one.

I'm talking about....Drastic Change.....The Practice of The Caste System. Changed with Cultural Evolution. No Science or Existing Record told us to change. It was a Realization....

And Hopefully True Pursuit Of Happiness and The Freedom Of Speech without the fear of being persecuted with brooms and slippers, will one day become a reality. :)

So What are the Conservatives' Views on some Muslim Practices like Multiple Wives? It's Consensual. It's Traditional for a Muslim Indian. What are your views on them. Just out of Curiosity. Tamiz, I'm Expecting an answer, please don't Abscond again. :thumbsup:

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You are going at a tangent! Why drag irrelevant topics? We are not discussing or being judgemental( :huh: ) about another religion's set of practices. It is up to that sect to face the music. At least they managed legal sanction for their peculiar practices! And rarely do they come out of their ring to disturb the patterns of other lives.

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You cant separate science and culture! Scientific inventions and consequences were changing the govt policies and there by culture!

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BINGO!!! So you could say that...Culture goes where Scientific Inventions go...am I right? Culture is Susceptible to Change through Scientific Innovations. So what are you opposing then? With the Technology that we have now, do you really think the same set of rules which once applied 500 Years Ago, In India, will still Apply with all the Developments, and So much more possibilities? As Humans aren't we prone to be more Curious? Don't you think you cannot come up with any practical reason to oppose these things (Keep in mind, all that u have said is tainted as all of it has been judged on pre-established moral codes), because they suit TODAY's WORLD! These things weren't there in India back then because it was a different Time! It was a different world. The world is changing, how can everything somehow remain the same?

And Please don't talk about the whores and Swingers! Lets talk about normal people. Not the kind you find in prison after a wave of Brothel Raids.

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What possibilities are you talking about? Humans prone to be curious!!! Resulting in school age pregnancy, freakish fashions like wife-swapping and what not are you not curious about? As humans you are equipped with a sixth sense called intelligence which helps you to discern the beastliness and humanness of your acts. In all your 'curious' acts are lurking the whores and swingers!!!! :shock:

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It is a Tough One! :) But, the safe border seems to be "If ur not hurting or causing harm to another, it's okay."

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then Cigerate smoking should banned. Smoke veliyida koodiya edhuvaa irundhaalum adha ban pannanum.... since smoke harms others....
AC, Fridge naala ozone layer'la otta'nu solraanga( proven theory'yaanu theriyaadhu :roll: ) .... oruvela proven theory'yaa irundhaa AC, fridge'a kooda ban pannanum... saridhaana ?

aduththavaukku prachchana varaadha varaikkum naama panradhellaam sari'nu oru velakkenna theory. velangum :wave:

''ஆக, உங்கள் கருத்தில் இப்போது இன்னும் அழுத்தமாக இருக் கிறீர்கள்...''

''என் கருத்துன்னு எதைச் சொல்ல வர்றீங்க? 'கல்யாணத்துக்கு முன்னாடி பெண்கள் செக்ஸ் வெச்சுக்குறது தப்பில்லை'ன்னு நான் சொன்னதா இப்பவும் பலர் நினைச்சுட்டு இருக்காங்க. ஆனா, நான் அப்படிச் சொல்லலை. 'பெண்கள் ஒருவேளை திருமணத்துக்கு முன் செக்ஸ் வெச்சுக்க வேண்டி வந்தா, தக்க பாதுகாப்பு முறைகளைக் கையாளணும்!'னுதான் நான் சொன்னேன். ஆனா, அதைத் தங்களுக்கு வசதியான விதத்தில் திருத்திப் பரப்பிக்கிட்டாங்க, சில லோக்கல் அரசியல்வாதிகள். 'அதெல்லாம் தமிழ்ப் பெண்கள் திருமணத்துக்கு முன்னாடி செக்ஸ்வெச்சுக்க மாட்டாங்க'ன்னும் சிலர் குரல் கொடுக்கலாம். அப்படிச் சொன்னா, நம்ம கண்ணை நாமே இறுக்கமா மூடிட்டு இருக்கோம்னு அர்த்தம். இந்தியா எய்ட்ஸ் கேபிட்டல் ஆகுற நாள் தூரத்தில் இல்லை. எய்ட்ஸ் பாதிக்கப்பட்ட பெண்ணை மிக மோசமா ஒதுக்கிவைக்கும் சமூகம் நம் சமூகம். அங்கேதானே எய்ட்ஸ் பாதிக்காமல் இருப்பதற்கான விழிப்பு உணர்ச்சியை ஏற்படுத்தணும். 'அப்படில்லாம் பண்ணாதே'னு சொன்னா, நான் கேக்க மாட்டேன். தொடர்ந்து பண்ணிட்டுதான் இருப்பேன்!''

- குஷ்பு