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These Two Topics of Seetha on Fire... and the King's Sense of Honour even to his one of the Subjects... a Washerman... are good questions needing descriptive replies. We will reply these Questions under the relevant contexts when we take up .later.
Now the Topic under current discussion... is..
... How far the the Two Factors... of OVER-DESIRE / GREED as well as ANGER / WRATH of the Characters .. have caused or influenced the Ramayana events...?
Starting from the Hero Rama... I have made the initial posting,
Furtheron.. others are invited to continue.. on the same Topic of OVER-DESIRE / ANGER in Ramayana.
From my layman's exposure to Ramayana - I was told the practice of "Sathee" started with Seetha herself attempting the jump into the fire.
So, eversince that, Hindu women were told that it was an honour and blessing to jump into the funeral pyre of their husbands. If they were reluctant, then somebody made sure they were pushed in!!
How true is the above, folks????
Yes! Fortunately, the British put out the fire!
Dear Friends,
I am surprised and PAINED to note that my Requests on a reasanable fact.. is being IGNORED
... and the SUBJECT IS BEING SCATTERED HERE AND THERE... withoutany COGENCY ... resulting in Haphazarad Disorder of the Topic..
Let not the holy-sense of Devi-Seetha's Agni-pravesam... be DENIGRATED so cheap twisting it towards the Suicidal SATHI..
...which used to be performed after the DEATH OF HUSBAND... and Not in front of him while he is alive..
Sudhama Sir, OK I will try my best, please accept my advance appologies if I am wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Ram- He got angry and frustrating while chasing the deer, as he could not get it, so he shot the deer dead
Sita - I do not know whether greed is the rigt word here, perhaps Over desire?, SIta fell in love with deer's beauty, not realising the danger behind the illusive(maya) deer.
The moral behind this two aspect is that OVER-DESIRE and ANGER will make one emotional ,at that time your intellectual skills are blinded leading you into self desctruction.
am I right, sudhama sir?
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... GREED and ANGER ... the WORST ENEMIES in Human-Life
The greatest blunder in Ramayana was the Over-desire of Seetha to accompany her Husband… to Forest… while he has undertaken the SAINT-HOOD.
Even though out of the duly Sincere-Love she offered to equally undertake Sainthood… it was the first time ever in the History for a Man-Saint to take with him his wife also… even though a Saint… which spirit itslef is contrary to Saint-hood. Because a Saint renunciates every worldly attachment… including his Wife, Parents, Brothers and others as well as the Wealth and Wordly-pleasures..
Whereas Seetha’s joining with her Saintly husband… even though as a Woman-Saint was not only a Violation of Renunciation-code but also an interference and burden to her husband in a different order of life… totally alien to her Married Life.
Even worse than her accompaniment… was her OVER-DESIRE / GREED to possess the Beautiful-Deer… which an ordinary Person, may aspire for…
…. a Queen Seetha no doubt deserves to seek for it… But not the Saintly-Seetha.
And the Saint Rama… after his Renunciation of all desires, his desire to fulfil the wants of his wife… again is another violation of Renunciation….
The Consequences of which both of them miserably faced making the story of Ramayana
ANGER of Rama.. ESPECIALLY THE SAINT…along with OVER-DESIRE of Seetha ..
… culminated in their SUCCUMBING to the Machinations of their Wicked Enemy Ravana.
So the Message for Humanity… Rama and Seetha show by action … more than words…
Oh my dear children… We burnt our Fingers… because we did mistakes and Blunders thus we miserably suffered UNDULY… mainly because these two Evils hidden within every human-being..
Don’t allow those Natural-Evils… GREED / ANGER hidden within you …
…to raise their ugly-Hoods… hindering your Hapiness and Success in Life.
....
.. Devi Seetha’s MESSAGE to HUMANITY.
Look my dear Earthly Children… even though my Husband Rama is the best possible exemplary Man with the Immaculate Human- Qualities, Model-Potentilaities Invincible Talents and Unparallel Competence in every respects…
… as also myself… an acclaimed Lovely-wife… with highest degree of Purity by Heart and Soul coupled with Pinnacle Qualities and Propensities.. ensuring strict-adherence to Self-Discipline and such other Human-Life-Principles…
.. We both unduly suffered … in Ramayana… Why ?... What WRONGS we commited? Because of …
(1)My GREED to accompany my Saint-Husband, even though with Selfless Love
(2) My GREED to possess a Deer … a SYMBOLISM OF ILLUSION..
(3) My ANGER on the unparallel Lakshmana, driving him out making me lose my Safe-guard.
(4) My GREED to such an extent… towards offering “Aiyam”(Honourable-Offering to Seers)…even in the Forest…. Violating the commitment to Lakshmana in crossing the House-boundary.
Consequently all the unnecessary and undue Sufferings in Ramayana… not only for me but also to my Great Husband, Emulative-Human Rama… alongside all others too…
… Only because of ME MAINLY… that too because of … My GREED and ANGER
So we BURNT OUR FINGERS.. just to show you as the GREAT LESSONS in Life by Experience…
LESSON :Any Human is not an Exception… even Gods too… Beware of GREED and ANGER..
Your Greatest INNER-ENEMIES, which can BEAT YOU OUT , in spite of all your Bests in other Respects.
Ram did not believe Seetha when she said Ravanna had not used her. So... to prove her chastity, she walked into the flames... had Ravanna used her, the flames would have finished her. BUT the flames did not. Of course, there is a larger message. The controversial one, about the value of sati. I personally do not see anything wrong with sati. Marriage vows are made for a lifetime. Many times, especially during Seetha Devi's time, the man was the sole provider for the woman. If the man died, the woman could not provide for herself, unless she married again. But as I said before, the marriage vows are for a lifetime. So... sati was a perfectly natural choice when the husband died. Also, does one not walk around the fire when he gets married? So that is probably why in sati fire is used; the marriage ends in a similar way that it began.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
digression *whoa SRS lose mom and daddy dear in one pyre eh? You could also say it was economical for not to have two pyres and save everyone the time to have to mourn all over again? And imagine the amount of white material and the shame of having a badluck widow...please atleast can choice of the wife matter or do we all need a push towards rejoining the inferno?*
back to the topic...from my experience with this epic i never hear much about the two other brothers....can someone share what they know of them?