Blind worshipping of Thamizh cinema rasigan

the issue starts when an actor starts to misuse his fans for his own benifits and the fan expects extra benifits from the actor other than entertainment.

this type of fanatism shouldnt make the actor feel like a king or god and shouldnt make the fan feel like a disciple of the actor in real life going by his onscreen personality

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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi

the issue starts when an actor starts to misuse his fans for his own benifits

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

70 to 90%? I doubt that.
Producers complain that the biggest chunk of movie making cost is consumed by the star. the first person to raise the salary if a film succeeds is the star. Add to that the new phenomenon of stars demanding a percentage of their film's total sales as the salary - this is nothing but post release payment /kappam for the star. What is the star going to do with that much money? make more high quality films? - No - and the money is ultimately the hard work of their fans who in the limited time they have for earning money toiled and put together. Finally the whole money they spend on a black ticket, hyped up FDFS ticket set by the theatres is another form of addiction like smoking, drinking, lottery etc., the creators have to still beg and plead with another producer. The producer - actor - distributor nexus is what is stopping the film world from unleashing creative genius pent up in our film world. I have seen many a writer and director who has seen gems from around the world like 'Midnight Cowboy' still yearning to make a movie atleast half that good - and midnight cowboy was released way back in 1970s. It is how backward we are as far as quality is concerned. Whenever low quality output is made a mega success - it destroys 10 other high quality films from being produced. Like one George bush vistory setting the whole world back by a decade.[/quote]

Jaigaru

Now i can understand the intention of this thread.

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Forget my intentions - post what you think - I just opened the thread - i am not moderating it. I guess this post and thread would equally offend fans of other big stars who have been churning out junk and still meeting BO success. If it offends - then that is the intention- satsfied?

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Originally Posted by Alek Niranjan

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

70 to 90%? I doubt that.
Producers complain that the biggest chunk of movie making cost is consumed by the star. the first person to raise the salary if a film succeeds is the star. Add to that the new phenomenon of stars demanding a percentage of their film's total sales as the salary - this is nothing but post release payment /kappam for the star. What is the star going to do with that much money? make more high quality films? - No - and the money is ultimately the hard work of their fans who in the limited time they have for earning money toiled and put together. Finally the whole money they spend on a black ticket, hyped up FDFS ticket set by the theatres is another form of addiction like smoking, drinking, lottery etc., the creators have to still beg and plead with another producer. The producer - actor - distributor nexus is what is stopping the film world from unleashing creative genius pent up in our film world. I have seen many a writer and director who has seen gems from around the world like 'Midnight Cowboy' still yearning to make a movie atleast half that good - and midnight cowboy was released way back in 1970s. It is how backward we are as far as quality is concerned. Whenever low quality output is made a mega success - it destroys 10 other high quality films from being produced. Like one George bush vistory setting the whole world back by a decade.[/quote]

Jaigaru

Now i can understand the intention of this thread.

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Forget my intentions - post what you think - I just opened the thread - i am not moderating it. I guess this post and thread would equally offend fans of other big stars who have been churning out junk and still meeting BO success. If it offends - then that is the intention- satsfied?

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IMO

Nothing wrong in meeting BO Success. If there is no BO Success, the Creator will be forgottn.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

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Originally Posted by Alek Niranjan

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

70 to 90%? I doubt that.
Producers complain that the biggest chunk of movie making cost is consumed by the star. the first person to raise the salary if a film succeeds is the star. Add to that the new phenomenon of stars demanding a percentage of their film's total sales as the salary - this is nothing but post release payment /kappam for the star. What is the star going to do with that much money? make more high quality films? - No - and the money is ultimately the hard work of their fans who in the limited time they have for earning money toiled and put together. Finally the whole money they spend on a black ticket, hyped up FDFS ticket set by the theatres is another form of addiction like smoking, drinking, lottery etc., the creators have to still beg and plead with another producer. The producer - actor - distributor nexus is what is stopping the film world from unleashing creative genius pent up in our film world. I have seen many a writer and director who has seen gems from around the world like 'Midnight Cowboy' still yearning to make a movie atleast half that good - and midnight cowboy was released way back in 1970s. It is how backward we are as far as quality is concerned. Whenever low quality output is made a mega success - it destroys 10 other high quality films from being produced. Like one George bush vistory setting the whole world back by a decade.[/quote]

Jaigaru

Now i can understand the intention of this thread.

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Forget my intentions - post what you think - I just opened the thread - i am not moderating it. I guess this post and thread would equally offend fans of other big stars who have been churning out junk and still meeting BO success. If it offends - then that is the intention- satsfied?

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IMO

Nothing wrong in meeting BO Success. If there is no BO Success, the Creator will be forgottn.

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churning out junk part doesnt bother you or does it?
if it doesn't then we have no fiurther discussion - you have your well informed opinion and i have mine. OTOH if it does bother you to look at a 'favourite star's' BO hit film that is definitely a low quality one - then we have a discussion on

Jaiganes, Just a few points that strike my mind... Not even sure if it applies to this thread in any way!

* A person becomes a fan of an actor, because he/she likes the works of that actor. But just because someone is a fan of an actor, it doesnt mean he/she "should" like all the movies of that actor by default. And it would be very unfair for that actor to take his fans for granted and expect them to like whatever movie he comes out with! It's the fan's choice to like or dislike his favorite actor's movie. Does it make him less of a fan or not a fan at all? Heq No!

* It would also be unfair for that fan to be ruled out by other fellow-fans for being honest abt his likes and dislikes!

* Basic concept: The job of an actor is to give good movies, if he wants to be liked by his fan! Only when a movie is good, it will be liked by the audience no matter how big the star is.

* An actor should take every movie seriously. He cannot just live with his past work/image for too long. If the actor does not put in the needed effort on the character, but just uses his image, it only will disappoint his fans more!

* Being a crazy fan is not a mistake! But just because you're a crazy fan, if you just approve of anything and everything your favorite does, whether it on-screen or off, then it's a mistake!

SPOT on - bay.
Being a fan is fine - but to worship only the star and disregard other priorities is not fine. if you fall at the feet of your parents just because a star told you- then there are two problems with you.
a- you weren't paying attention to all the right things screaming at you in the first place and
b- you let another entity take control - tomorrow the same star might start telling you what you should believe or not believe, whom to vote or not vote for - all dangerous forms of contorl you put on your head for sake of a 'fave star'.

* The star should also realize how "embarassing" it is for an ardent fan in front of his friends and foes when he comes out with a bad movie! :oops:

* The problem is, calling a movie good or bad is very subjective, and just because a few fans dislike a movie, it doesnt always become a flop, and when it becomes a hit on the contrary, the star fails to realize he has come up with a bad movie, and continues to not put in the effort to come up with good ones! :cry:

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

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Whenever low quality output is made a mega success - it destroys 10 other high quality films from being produced. Like one George bush vistory setting the whole world back by a decade.

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Would we ever say:
* When a <put yr 'favorite' bad book here> is published, it prevents 10 other potential 'Shakespeare's or 'Bernard Shaw's from being published.
* When a Kumudam/Ananda Vikatan become successful, the publishing industry is set back by a decade.

Why do we think that in the movie industry alone, people will choose one movie over another? Seriously, how many people decide "I will only watch 10 movies this year" (OK - NRIs may do this for movies in the theatre bcos of the exorbitant pricing, but those in India?)

My points were:
The industry will automatically scale to fulfill demand. If our stars do not provide this, other forms (non-movie forms) may step in and consume our thirst for entertainment.
Good movies do not have to compete on the same level as regular masala movies. They can choose to charge premiums based on an intro by the director. They can chooseto charge premiums for discussion circles or DVD-sharing/viewing groups. It is a choice they make to screen these movies in a densely populated theatre that offers the same environment that is offered to a masala movie.
Regards,
LL

The parallel stream from where a Rajini and Kamal came to their limelight has been not only abandoned by them, but frequently abused. Even last night, saw 'Aval Appadiththaan' and was amazed at the restrained, meaningful performances by Kamal and Rajini - the film was ahead by million miles the later work both the actors have done. Now they are not doing even one film like that - the reason - 'image' - a gauntlet put on their necks by their 'adoring' fans. While Rajini has a macho image - Kamal has a different image - an image that means that his films if they veer off in certain lines, will not be appreciated by their fans and that means will not be saleable - This is their bane. Even after some 15 years on top of this so called 'industry' they cannot do what they want to - hey ram bombed, Baba flopped - while Hey Raam failed because it was too much of a 'Kamal' movie, Baba flopped because it was not fully Rajni movie enough. This blind worshipping by their fans in a creative control which has kept the wonderfult artistes in shackles and is yet another reason why the 'blind worshipping' should stop and the actors be what they are. The fans enjoy the 'sadistic' pleasure of getting their stars do only what 'they' want their stars do onscreen. Meaning it is repeated kiss scenes for the heck of it for Kamal and completely unrealistic stunt scenes at 60 for Rajini - As far as other heroes are concerned - they are asked to a good measure of stupid things themselves - This is fine if it is pure entertainment like 'record dance' - this is cinema - most modern form of art - that has so much of talent in India but only a handful to show for in terms of achievment. Our cinema too like our dirty roads and poor hygene a matter of shame that we have learnt to not just tolerate - but celebrate!!! :oops: :oops: