MS Dhoni - The most successful captain of India

Maddy, my answer to your question is there in my previous post. I clearly said that Dhoni is the better package. The if with Karthik is a big if. He is short of confidence, too.
idhai vida theLiva solli irukka mudiyadhu :

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Originally Posted by Plum

But if you look at the package Dhoni's relatively safer keeping PLUS explosive batting PLUS Captaincy makes him a way better package than Karthik even if Karthik lives up to his full wicket keeping potential

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For Karthik to overtake Dhoni
1) Karthik must live up to his full potential as keeper
2) Dhoni must regress badly as batsman, captain or both.

Both these conditions need to be fulfilled for Karthik to eb first choice for India - which is why it is not going to happen for sure.

ok, there were many "ifs" , so wanted to make it clear.....my point is - though Dhoni will fail as a batsman,captain he will still hold on to keeper's post.........i think parthiv and karthik are not my canidates for this job....

sorry, if i sound rude to somone, karthik has a rotten attitude, if im not wrong.......he has never batted well + aggressively for BCCI but played so well for Delhi.......seeing him bat so well in IPL, it reminded me of goundar's dialogue :

GM: dei, unga akka-vukku soup vekka theriyumngra vishayame, enakku innaikku dhaanda theriyum

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Originally Posted by MADDY

ok, there were many "ifs" , so wanted to make it clear.....my point is - though Dhoni will fail as a batsman,captain he will still hold on to keeper's post.........i think parthiv and karthik are not my canidates for this job....

sorry, if i sound rude to somone, karthik has a rotten attitude, if im not wrong.......he has never batted well + aggressively for BCCI but played so well for Delhi.......seeing him bat so well in IPL, it reminded me of goundar's dialogue :

GM: dei, unga akka-vukku soup vekka theriyumngra vishayame, enakku innaikku dhaanda theriyum

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:P at Gounder dialogue but IMO, rotten attitude doesnt apply to Karthik. There are a lot of flaws he has, but rotten attitude is not one of them. Which is why he easily impresses team mates, coaches etc - kind of why you always see him coming back after bad intl series, and one good domestic performance. He is said to give 100% in training and nets, and brings in good work ethic. As TN captain, he certainly has the trust of his team mates.

Whatever is in his chatti, he is bringing it to agappai. Chatti frequent-a theerndhu poidudhu adhaan problem. Attitude problem is to be spoken of in the context of munaf patel, praveen kumar, virat kohli, even yuvraj singh(but what talent that boy has - andha talentku idukku mela attitude irundha kooda ok!). Of late, Ishant Sharma seems to be joining the list as "naan aaLa porandhavanda, enna yaaruda asaikka mudiyum" attitude.

Maddy,

Karthik was batting well until England series 2007. Adhukkappuram oru 2 series ozhunga vilaiyadala. Udane tata kattittaanga.

2007-la India England test series-ai win pannadhukku Karthik-um oru kaaranam.

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Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

Maddy,

Karthik was batting well until England series 2007. Adhukkappuram oru 2 series ozhunga vilaiyadala. Udane tata kattittaanga.

2007-la India England test series-ai win pannadhukku Karthik-um oru kaaranam.

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to be fair to BCCI, in 2007, they had Dhoni who performed as a batsman, keeper and was a captain material.....karthik could never get into scheme of things with other new turks like rohit,raina coming thru.......he got a chance in SL tour last year where i felt he was pertty pedestrian.........

karthik ellam comparison-e illa dhonikku - summa dhoni-a insult panna venaa, avana vechhi compare pannalaam

"karthik ellam comparison-e illa dhonikku - summa dhoni-a insult panna venaa, avana vechhi compare pannalaam"
idhu over-u. Idharku kaalam badhil sollum. Ipdiyellam solrache dhan kaduppagudhu. Dhoni innum avLO periya thillalangadi illai. As a keeper, he is only slightly better than Karthik.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

to be fair to BCCI, in 2007, they had Dhoni who performed as a batsman, keeper and was a captain material.....karthik could never get into scheme of things with other new turks like rohit,raina coming thru.......he got a chance in SL tour last year where i felt he was pertty pedestrian.........

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I agree. Specialist batsman-a ulla irukkara alavukku Karthik munneralai. I just brought his 2007 form to say he played well for India too.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

karthik ellam comparison-e illa dhonikku - summa dhoni-a insult panna venaa, avana vechhi compare pannalaam

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Idhu romba aniyaayam Maddy. Dhoni is not one of all time best keepers, indha maadhiri neenga solradhukku. Dhoni-yai insult panni enakku enna aaga pogudhu?

SL-la aNNan Dhoni tour paNNi test-la keeping paNNi irundhaarna therinjirukum. Avaru dhaan escape aayittare...apram epdi compare pandradhu?

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Originally Posted by Plum

"karthik ellam comparison-e illa dhonikku.

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When they started out I would have said the reverse. KKD was next best thing after Nayan Mongia.

As many have observed KKD's decline coincided with Dhoni's improved keeping.

start meesic :)

should Dhoni quit as captain :lol2:

http://ibnlive.in.com/conversations/thread/97660.html

60% say no -

needhi innum saagala naattama :bow:

oru tournament thOththuttA udanE poll-ai vachchuttanungaLE.

Dhoni illainnA YuvarAsA captain paNNuvaanaamaa ?

Inglorious dasterds, Indian fublic and media

Honeymoon is over between Indian media and Dhoni. Times Now-la netthu romba over-a pannittu irundhaanunga :sigh2:

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

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Originally Posted by Plum

"karthik ellam comparison-e illa dhonikku.

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When they started out I would have said the reverse. KKD was next best thing after Nayan Mongia.

As many have observed KKD's decline coincided with Dhoni's improved keeping.

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Especially goalkeeper-nu sonna adhu Dhoni dhaan. Avsaru dhaan goalkeeping style-la keep paNNuvaar. And he is doing it effectively. Karthik has the right technique but at some point, he had to
a) try to make it as a opening batsman because he couldnt compete with Dhoni's batting. As a keeper, he was better at that point
b) obviously, he lost focus on his keeping during those 2 years
c) now, he is struggling to get his keeping mojo together
d) ironically, Dhoni's explosive batting which is the only reason he made it ahead of Karthik, has gone to dogs now
e) Even today, if Dhoni's captaincy is not there, Karthik can make it as WK-Batsman to the Indian Test team. Karthik clearly is the better test batsman, notwithstanding the explosive start by Dhoni in tests as batsman. Karthik made it as an opener in seaming English pitches - which shows who is the better batsman clearly for tests.
f) basically, circumstances have cooked Karthik. Success breeds succes, failure breeds failure-nu idhai thaan solvaanga. Resillience, mental strengh adhu idhunnu sonnalum, anubavichavangaLukku dhaan idhu puriyum.

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

Inglorious dasterds, Indian fublic and media

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all indhi news channels - only this talk......also, they were badly insulted by BCCI/Dhoni in sehwag episode.......they want to get back at Dhoni big time and wear him down mentally......emosanal athyachar dhaan :P

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Originally Posted by MADDY

emosanal athyachar dhaan :P

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

Inglorious dasterds, Indian fublic and media

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all indhi news channels - only this talk......also, they were badly insulted by BCCI/Dhoni in sehwag episode.......they want to get back at Dhoni big time and wear him down mentally......emosanal athyachar dhaan :P

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Vaazhga Jananayangam.......

Will this controversy create a rift in this side... If only the whole team was criticized they wud stand together and deliver.... but orutharoda thala urulanum nu nenaikaraangale indian media... It will never happen as long as Krishnamachari is the chaiman of selectors...

I expect our team to put up a better ferformans in WI.... may be a 4-0 win wud get the Indian media back in praising Dhoni.....

Vekkam ketta media.... :evil:

Honestly, I don't see the current Indian team winning 4-0 in WI. They are very low on confidence and have been playing cricket continously for 7 months. They just need a break. BCCI :hammer:

Happy birthday to Anja singam, engal annan Dhoni :bow: ......

whoever has watched Indian cricket in 90's and sad drooping faces of players, losing matches casually, and the constant criticism at home - india thothhu poguradha pakka dhaan remote vanguniya-nnu oru kuttu on mandai - vexed by tag of poor travellers, this team is all about sachin-nnu nayyandi panna ellarukkum, ellathikkum modha adi - annan dada, avar vazhiyil ramarajyam nadathhum engal annan Dhoni.......seriously, Indian cricket or BCCI cricket fans from 90's are victory-starved, whoever provides us that are our favorites ........ofcourse, fix panni jeichhangana, theva illa.....

Dhoni is a remarkable captain.....hope he continues on his path and wins the world cup in 2011(?) ........he should win it and dedicate it to Sachin Tendulkar.......i'm sure as a 90's boy, he would understand the contribution of sachin and his desire to win the world cup.....indha tribute kooda seyyalana - eppadi :)

Pirantha Naal NalVaazhthukal MSD!!!!!

Birthday wishes to dhoni..

Happy B'day Dhoni! :2thumbsup:

Many More Happy Returns of the Day, Dhoni :D

http://thatscricket.oneindia.in/news...vraj-no-2.html

Dhoni, Yuvraaj no.1 and no.2 in ICC rankings.......DHoni must set a record for holding no.1 slot for the longest time :P

Today's news: ram gopal verma snubs dhoni:
Seems like dhoni accosted rgv in an airport and verma brushed him off "contact my office and leave your photo.they'll get back to you"
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Originally Posted by Plum

Today's news: ram gopal verma snubs dhoni:
Seems like dhoni accosted rgv in an airport and verma brushed him off "contact my office and leave your photo.they'll get back to you"
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Ha ha, just read a news item on this. This is hilarious!

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Originally Posted by Plum

Today's news: ram gopal verma snubs dhoni:
Seems like dhoni accosted rgv in an airport and verma brushed him off "contact my office and leave your photo.they'll get back to you"
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DHoni: allo Mr. RGV, naa ungala Delhi-la meet pannen
RGV: :roll: :?
Dhoni: sathiya sodhanai

meanwhile, Dhoni came to selection committe meeting sporting MJ t-shirt......eppadi idhellam :bow: ....

http://sify.com/sports/imagegallery/...id=jirr4Jchcdc

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Originally Posted by MADDY

DHoni: allo Mr. RGV, naa ungala Delhi-la meet pannen

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2009 ODI Records                                               
Country                  Mat            Won            Lost          Tied          NR            % Win 
India                    22              13              6              0        3              68.42
South Africa        13              8              5              0        0        61.54
Australia                35              20              13              0            2        60.61
Sri Lanka                22              11              11              0            0              50.00
England                  19              9              10              0            0              47.37
New Zeland              21              8              10              0            3              44.44
Pakistan                17              7              10              0            0              41.18
WI                      21              4              15              0            2              21.05

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India on Top with 68.42% Success Rate....

Thanks to MSD!!

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Originally Posted by Plum

Today's news: ram gopal verma snubs dhoni:
Seems like dhoni accosted rgv in an airport and verma brushed him off "contact my office and leave your photo.they'll get back to you"
:rotfl:

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:rotfl: :rotfl: (This is not Anti-Dhoni, genuinely hilarious)

Nerd, Maddy's Suryan quote in the context was even more hilarious :lol:

Annan Dhoni sculpts another Indian victory.... 8-)

I noticed that MS Dhoni averages more than 100 in ODIs India won after fielding first. Is this a record? asked Rohit Sinha from the United States


MS Dhoni now averages 124.08 from 34 innings (22 not-outs) in 45 matches that India won after fielding first. This is the highest by anyone who has featured in 20 such matches. Dropping the qualification bar a little Thomas Odoyo averages 126.50 in 17 matches which Kenya won after fielding first, although he only had seven innings and was not out in five of them. And right at the top of the list New Zealand's Jeremy Coney scored 342 runs in 12 innings in 17 matches that New Zealand won after fielding first - but he remained not out in all 12 of those innings, perhaps making him the ultimate "finisher"! You can answer this sort of very specific query using Statsguru, as I did.

T20 WC
tri series win in OZ
ODI series win in SL
test series win in NZL after 41 yrs
ODI no.1
Test no.1

vaizhkaiyil aayiram thadaikkallappa
thadaikkalum unakku padikallappa

vetri kodi kaatu
malaigaLai muttumvarai muttu
lathchiyam ettumvarai ettu
padaiyedu

Congrats Dhoni. Way to go. :clap:

10 Test Matches as Captain, 7 Wins, 3 Drawn, None Lost.....

He is a man like none other

Dhoni annan :notworthy:

Congrats Dhoni on all achievements. Please bring world cup home in 2011, which eluded india since 1983.

http://prempanicker.wordpress.com/20...number-threes/

Important points for MSD to ponder...

T20 needs no anchoring esp when we were chasing 11 runs per over.......Dhoni comes in at no.3, bcos he needs time to start blasting.........but this is very costly since we will lose momentum and gain frustration of opposite end batsman......Dhoni better change his game to suit T20s or settle at no.6/7 for grafting when things go horribly wrong like 20/5 in 5 overs etc