indha paatu chorus - i like it.......
spb in sogathuku answer pannum instruments.. really good one.......... veenai also too good. or keyboard.. dono.....
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indha paatu chorus - i like it.......
spb in sogathuku answer pannum instruments.. really good one.......... veenai also too good. or keyboard.. dono.....
Thanks usha akka :)
BTW, TRR is indeed one talented, I feel After IR, It was Shankar Ganesh Followed by TRR in the 80's!
Aval oru menaghai , enna oru arumaiyana paadal, ethani voice modulation, SPB simply out of this world, excellent composition by Shank as well!
SAnkar Ganesh - Originality romba kammi.
TR - apadi ilai. sondhamana karpanai. Thanakednru oru style...................
anyway, Aval oru menagai - good song from SG. avaraoda oru tune.. edho oru padathula use panninar...
continuous a romba varusham andha orae tune ai pottu konnutar..
indha paatu kaekum podhu kuda chinna bayam.... andha tune vandhuda poradhae nu.......... haahha.
ada kadavulae... Raja thread la - ohter MD song solli irukaen... pudhu TFM page - dhideer dhideer nu padutharadhu......
inum kathukalai.. sorry.
Sorry akkA, that was just a remake song (original Telugu song was by another MD). No credits to S-G as they've just recorded it in Thamizh.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvsankar
Agree with you on TR - his songs were original and immensely popular, sometimes eclipsing Raja songs even. However, he became so repetitive after early 80's and disappeared from the music scene.
It's from the movie 'vaNdikkAran magan', music by MSV. It has another superb SPB number "paduththAL, puraNdAL, uRakkamillai; :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
paduthal - SPB ? - romba ketta paatu.. haha... radio la thadai seidha paatu.......
enga veetu pakkathu cinema theater la kaeta paatu idhu............
indha paatu padina , theater ku pogavae maten........ hahaha...
I don't know the lyric of the song (except this one line). Also, since vaNdikkAran makan was a Karunanidhi movie, none of us boys looked favorably at that film, despite "Thamizh nAttu james bondu":-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tvsankar
However, the beautiful percussion arrangement of that song still rings in my ears! 'படுத்தாள்' என்று பாலு பாடும் போது பின்னணியில் உருட்டி உருட்டி அடிக்கப்படும் தாளம் இனிமையோ இனிமை!
Between 1977 & 1980, there was nice competition between MSV & IR and we got some fantastic songs from both.
Digression
We used to play self-made "trade" game during holidays in grand parents' home. My cousin (4 years older) is the leader and he decides everything - what we like, listen to, talk favourably etc. The trade game was with old record book cover & cigarette boxes converted into hand-painted currency / cards etc.
My cousin fixed the prices - ulagam suRRum vAliban : Price 10000, Tax 1200 (the highest). vaNdikkAran magan: Price 1000, Tax 50 (the lowest, with some comical picture drawn by him)...he was a big MGR fanatic:-)
End-digression
BTW, my cousin is also a huge fan of MSV & SPB (but his most fav were IR / KJY)...
app,
thanks for the response.. RR kiate sollungo.. facebook madhiri - like option vaika solli. hhehe..
App na
I know that song, aana enna lyrics thaan konjum :lol2:
BTW, who acted in that movie? Jaishankar :roll:
Ushakka's and your post makes me curious to relook at 'paduththAL' lyrics...it's decades since I heard that song.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Yes, it was thennAttu James Bond in that movie.
App na
The lyrics konjum sensual , but certainly not vulgar, I dont remember it much.
All time Fav SPB & IR Combohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2o6pxgJIli0
Thanks PS.. for Vaa ponmayilae...
sujatha vin paatil enaku romba pidicha paatu idhu..... Azhanga Penmani.........
No Probs akka, I will try and post many songs here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tvsankar
There is a song called 'Naa unnai ninaichE nee ennai ninaiche ' by SPB sir, VJ , and another female voice (Jency)? Is this song an IR composition or shankar Ganesh? and can some one tell me the name of the movie? thanks
That voice is Jikki (G Krishnaveni, w/o singer AM Raja).Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
The MD for the song was Shankar-Ganesh who was among the 5 MD's for the film 'kaNNil theriyum kathaikaL'. The producer was singer AL Raghavan, famous for the 'pAppA pAppA katha kELu, kAkka nariyin katha kELu' :-)
IR was one among the five and composed the SPB-SJ-PS song 'nAn oru ponnOviyam kaNdEn ethirE, iLamai, iLamai, inimai, idhu pudhumai'.
Oh thanks app anneh :)
Oh that was jikki amma , she must have been quite old when she sand that song :shock:
மடை திறந்து on repeat in the car.
Must be the only song where Raja appears on screen with SPB singing :-) Most other cases of IR's screen appearances must have been with his own singing.
Only SPB, repeat only SPB and no other singer, can sing these lines with the குறும்பு, அகம்பாவம், எகத்தாளம், சிரிப்பு, இனிமை, இளமை, இத்யாதி இத்யாதி...
இசைக்கென இசைகின்ற ரசிகர்கள் ராஜ்ஹ்ஜ்ஹியம் (what a sirippu there)
எனக்கே தான்!
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: This is what I have been saying for decades now! Only SPB sir possible!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Most of us who visit tfmpage / hub frequently are familiar to the fact that IR wasn't the first to use SPB in TFM (or any FM). Specifically in TFM, SPB's first few songs were with MSV / KVM and for big stars Sivaji / MGR.
Despite that, SPB wasn't in the numero uno slot for a decade or so as TMS was the #1 choice for Sivaji / MGR. With the progressive kozha kozha of MGR's voice after being shot and also possibly because of the 'nAttukkAran' connection, KJY got to sing lot more songs than SPB during the 70's for MGR. (avaL oru navarasa nAdakam / idhazhe idhazhe thEn vENdum notwithstanding). In Sivaji's case, it was mostly TMS for Sivaji with SPB typically thrown in to sing for some son / younger brother kind of character in his movies in 70's.
Also, till the arrival of IR, MDs were not typically in-charge of the matters for biggie movies and SPB had to mostly sing for Sivakumar / Vijayakumar level of stars and often for the then-coming-up Kamal. Interestingly, the #1 MD, MSV, wasn't his biggest promoter but there were a variety of others who used him prominently - like V Kumar / Vijayabhaskar / Shankar Ganesh (before IR became #1 in my books, my most fav SPB song was 'unnai nAn pArththadhu veNNilA vELaiyil' by Shankar-Ganesh, movie pattikkAttu rAjA).
The reason for giving the background above is to emphasize how, in a way, the rise of IR helped SPB to get into that formidable position in TFM. The rise of Kamal / Rajini obviously helped but if one looks closely at SPB's curve, it was more of "IR erA" that helped his top position more than that of the rise of these two stars as some of the Mohan starrer songs had more phenomenal reach than that of KH-RK.
Starting today, I'm planning to post about one specific song each day, in the IR-SPB combo, in chronological order as much as possible. Obviously, it will be one of a personal experience rather than musical analysis. Music-savvy hubbers are welcome to add further details as much as possible to the song I pick each day.
I'm sure I can go on for 100's of days :-)
#1 நான் பேச வந்தேன், சொல்லத்தான் ஓர் வார்த்தை இல்லை
(பாலூட்டி வளர்த்த கிளி, 1976)
When listening to this sweetie this morning after many years, I realize that this is going to be a very sweet and nostalgic trip for me :-)
Since IR started with a kiLi, the sentiment-driven TF launched him for another kiLi movie, this one named after the famous gauravam song that reverberated through out TN on loudspeakers with a famous Sivaji dialog prelude. (கிளிக்கு ரெக்க மொளச்சிடுத்து... ஆத்த விட்டுப் பறந்து போயிடுத்து).
Perhaps the first released song in IR-SPB combo, with the addition of Janaki ammA (or should I call "aththai" since PS is HMV for me). So early in IR's career he laid the seed for the combo that'll drive people crazy for decades, i.e. the unbeatable top combo ever in TFM of "IR-SPB-SJ"!
Both singers bring in such a feeling of closeness in this song and IR does a very controlled aggression with lead guitar-cymbal-tabla accompaniment to a sweet melody. As one can hear, while SPB still has his boyishness (well, he has it even today), there're signs of "maturity" developing in this song :wink:
I don't remember associating this song with IR when it was on radio during my school days but enjoyed it thoroughly then. (It was years later that I got into this habit of asking whether it's an IR song or not).
app,
A superb writeup about SPB's rise in TFM and from my limited knowledge of TFM of those days, I will agree with you. The analysis is spot on. I would personally say that SPB along with Raja was able to overcome the influence of TMS and leave his stamp behind. In Telugu it is a bit more complicated. To be honest, I would say even today the shadow of Ghantasala looms large and SPB has not been able to erase that as he was able to come out of TMS's shadow in Tamil film music. (Something like how Kannadasan's personality looms large over any other lyricist.) To certain extent that would also be because the Telugu music directors of late 70s and 80s were not a match for the masters of 60s and Raja did not do as many films in Telugu as he did in Tamil.
Good to know that you will be writing one song per day. Looking forward to it and definitely looking forward to your emotional connect with the songs and also about the background of the songs. You are eminently qualified to do this.
And what an opening song you have given. I love this melody both for Raja's tune and for the singing. You can easily say that this is a Raja's melody of the 70s.
Very nice write-up App with lot of insights. Waiting to hear more from you.
Never knew much history behind Telugu music scenario in 70's and 80's. Thanks Suresh ji for your insights as well and please continue your inputs too.
App - I thought Oru Naal Unnodu Oru Naal from Uravaadum Nenjam was the first song SPB sang for IR. So, Naan Pesa Vanthen got released first? Looking forward to your posts about more SPB songs.
Suresh - Who else was the popular male singer in Telugu film music other than SPB in 70s, 80s? Did KJY or PJ sing lot of songs in Telugu?
rajkumarc,
There was really no great competition for SPB once Gantasala passed away. The one person who was used often by the MDs was Ramakrishna, a clone of Gantasala. There was also a singer called Ramesh, who had a few good songs. Some other came in once a while but it was SPB show all the way. Jesudas has sung some songs but not many. I don't know if PJ has sung songs in Telugu. Maybe in some dubbing movies but not sure.
What is missing from this analysis is, TMS and IR had a tussle. From what I heard TMS made some bad remarks about IR which IR heard himself by accident. Since IR was indispensable at that time, TMS was dispensed from TFM. (Moreover TMS had already lost MGR's favor for a similar reason earlier).Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Wasn't SPB a star singer in TFM before he became popular in TeFM (largely due to Ayiram Nilave Vaa)? It is sad IR had to use substitutes like Mano/MV in the 90s because TeFM kept SPB so busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
naan pesa vandhen......Shri.bala serving Raaja with Janu.
nostalgic early IR days indeed.
wonderful pick, app_eng.
Hindish Ilayaraaja in raagam kamas.
Khamas - Shri.Sanjay Subrahmanyan's RTP in this rag is very melodious.
brochevaarevarura.....Shri.Yesudas.
idadhu padham thookki aadum.....papanasam sivan composition by Sudha Ragunadhan is my favorite.
R.D.Burman-Kishore Kumar combo is as memorable as IR-S.P.B.
remember kuchh toh log kahenge.....amar prem.
Hindustani Khamaj - Carnatic Khamas for your pleasure from Indian Cinema.
thanks
Around that time SPB had some throat problems(blisters due to smoking and incessant singing in 3+languages) too and had to cut down on his singing - a reason why "track" singers became main singers in that period. I dont think Raaja purposefully sidelined anybody from what they do their best. Let us also bear in mind that voices like SPB, KJY and MV are special, close to late 80s and 90s, exectations were always there to use their voices mainly for reigning stars (exception being Kamal who had hit the jackpot with his "track song" Raja kaiyya vecha - Anyone who had echo cassettes of Apoorva SagodharargaL would have had the pleasure of hearing SPB sing Raaja Kaiyya vechchaa).Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
What.Are.You.Saying??? Malaysia Vasudevan is a SPB substitute? One of the most outrageous statements in the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
I did not notice this at all.
@Genesis - வாழப்பழத்துல ஊசி ஏத்தி பாத்திருக்கேன். ஊசில வாழப்பழத்தை ஏத்தி இப்பம் தான் பாக்குறேன்.
genesis,
SPB was not a 'star singer' even after 'aayiram nilave vaa', as app_eng has mentioned. He came up faster in Telugu and was a well know singer in Telugu singing for Sathyam, Chakravarthy, Ramesh Naidu, KVM et al. In Tamil his growth was slower as app_eng pointed out since the reigning stars like MGR and Sivaji used TMS and Jesudas more.
I say that again my friend!! MV IS SUBSTITUTE FOR SPB. MV was never a star singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Is this an indirect swipe at me??!! (me to know some hindi)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
no...
but your girl friend or wife may sing this composition thinking of you (from Salil in this Rag)
o sajnaa barakha bahaara aai...
tum ko pukaare mere, man kaa papeehara
meethii meethii agani mein, jale mora jiyara...
O Sajana.....
Hindustani khamaj.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6HffHab5Y0
vinatha.
oh... app_eng, thanks.
I have been indulging IR & Salil back to back...
charming rag indeed- kamas-khamaj.
Shri.IR should compose compositions of this class to Hindi audiences, they will dig.
Classical music is always trendy and fashionable, it has wide reach.
It will be excellent if you can also explain how a formidable force like P.Susheela was sidelined with the rise of IR.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Ella pugazhum IR-aivanukke!!
yeah... ella pughazhum Shri.Ir vukkey.
thanks IR, if we come home with tired or sober mood or joyous, romantic mood, I have gazillion compositions to cuddle with S.P.B.
anyway...
IR vs TMS, their attitude or misunderstanding etc... kahanies attract no interest from some of us.
eppadi veeram, gambeeram etc... sollindu MGR, Sivaji etc... kku TMS was used by previous generation MDs, adhey maadhiri
next generation of actors like Mohan, Kamal etc... arrived now, S.P.B served them with boyish charm and energy. bubbly, romantic, sexy dulcet feeling etc..
Shri.IR did not use TMS. time to move on...... avvalavudhaan.
But he used Susheela for many many songs though her number of songs are less than Janu.
Even Vani too sang less number of songs but Shri.IR gave Vani some of the finest and versatile compositions from Classical, folk to rock & roll.
vinatha.