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விளையாட்டா படகோட்டி - ஹரிஹரன்
தொடர்ந்து கேட்டுக்கொண்டே. உணர்வுகள் இந்த வார்த்தைகளில்தான் என குறிப்பிட்டு சொல்லும்படி இல்லாமல் ஒவ்வொரு வார்த்தையிலும் அழகா வெளிப்படுத்தி இருக்கார். வருஷத்திற்கு இதுபோல ராஜா - ஹரி கூட்டணியில் மெலடிகள் தமிழில் நிரம்பனும்.
http://www.isaignanibakthan.blogspot.../08/2-2-1.html
பாலமுரளி கிருஷ்ணா பாடப்போகிறார்’ என்று கேட்டது முதலே எனக்கு பயம். காரணம், அவருக்கு தெரிந்த அளவுக்கு இசை எனக்குத் தெரியாது. “இசை மேதையாக ரசிகர்கள் கொண்டாடும் பாலமுரளி கிருஷ்ணா எனது இசையில் பாடப்போகிற விஷயம் தெரிய வந்ததுமே எனக்குக் கொஞ்சம் கவலையாகிவிட்டது. எல்லாம் நல்லபடியாக நடந்து முடிய வேண்டுமே?"
ரிகர்சலுக்கு வந்தார். பயத்தோடு பாடலைச் சொன்னேன். அவர் எழுதிக்கொண்டார்.
‘என்ன டியூன்’? என்றார். பாடிக் காட்டினேன்.
ஸ்வரத்தை பாடலின் வரிகளின் மேல் எழுதிப் பாடினார். அதுதான் ‘சின்னக் கண்ணன்’ அழைக்கிறான் பாடல்.
பாடலைப் பாடியவர், 'இதுதான் புதிது! சரணத்தில் உச்சஸ்தாயியில் இரண்டாவது வரிக்கு அமைத்திருக்கும் இசையில் ‘ஸகரிக மரினி’ என்று ஆரோகணபரமான பிரயோகத்தை, அவரோகணத்தில் அமைத்திருக்கிறீர்களே? அதை எவ்வளவு வேண்டுமானாலும் பாராட்டலாம்.
சாதாரணமாக கர்னாடக இசைக் கச்சேரிகளில் கூட வித்வான்கள் இந்த ராகத்தை நீண்ட நேரம் பாட மாட்டார்கள். அதை இவ்வளவு இனிமையான பாடலாக அமைத்து விட்டீர்களே!’ என்று மனம் விட்டுப் பாராட்டினார். என் இசைப் பயணத்தில் முக்கியமானதொரு ஊக்குவிப்பாக அமைந்து என்னை உற்சாகப் படுத்திய நிகழ்ச்சி இது!’ என்கிறார்.
KV Saar, enakkum andha 'kisu kisu' pm pleazeQuote:
Originally Posted by KV
On the GVM project, I'd initiated this discussion in the NEPV thread in the TF section, but it didn't quite take off. I think this would be a better place to get it going.
Well, what I'm basically looking at is collecting ideas on how we'd like to see this album (and future works of IR, if possible) take shape; what we'd want and not-want to get... an extension of sorts of the 'Raagams of new age IR' aadhangams. Now, don’t get me wrong for I’m certainly not intending to advise or give lessons on composing. These are just some of my wishes as a Raaja disciple, and I’m just betting on GVM's talent and reputation for extracting some lovely music from his MD's, to take across some of these thoughts to Raaja. Ofcourse, this could be like a crazy fancy, expecting for the impossible kinds, but I think this sorta group discussion during the song selection of ER concert had pretty decent results (I strongly believe our mails were read and atleast a handful of songs were picked from them. That a song like yaar thoorigai featured in the show, though only in the medley, is a proof of sorts to my belief). Call me naive, but I have some amount of trust in the power of social networking. Who knows, if our collated thoughts can somehow reach GVM or Raaja, we could we see some changes happening. Quoting a famous movie dialog... afterall, hope is not a bad thing! :)
Here's my rasigan viruppam list!
1.Live instruments/orchestra: not a synth-dominated soundtrack please!
2.No rehash/recycling/re-using old tunes.
3.Unplugged version of atleast one song (no plain repeat/singer change, etc)
4.Atleast a couple of instrumentals… in trademark Raaja brand WCM/jazz/Carnatic types!
5.Semi-classical numbers or songs set in some interesting raagam/thaalam base
6.Collaboration with artists like Guitar Prassana, Mandonlin Srinivasan, Rajesh Vaidya or the Budapest jazz folks (that they've already worked with Raaja and have great respect for him, could make it kinda possible and not something farfetched I think).
7. If I’m allowed to fancy a little extra, one full-fledged bass guitar dominated song/instrumental (complete with plucks/slides/taps,etc) please!
இளையராஜாவின் மகிமைகள்
நூறாவது நாள் திரைப்படம் குறித்து பெரிய அறிமுகம் தேவையில்லை. தமிழில் வெளியான குறிப்பிடத்தக்க சில த்ரில்லர்களில் முக்கியமான திரைப்படம். அப்படத்திற்கு ரீரிக்கார்டிங் செய்த கதையை இயக்குனர் மணிவண்ணன் சில மாதங்களுக்கு முன்பு திரைப்பட கருத்தரங்கு ஒன்றில் பகிர்ந்துகொண்டார். ''நூறுவாது நாள் படத்தின் மொத்த ரீரிகார்டிங்கையும் வெறும் அரைநாளில் செய்துமுடித்தாராம் இளையராஜா!'' அன்றைய தினம் அதே ஸ்டுடியோவிற்கு டாகுமென்ட்ரி ஒன்றின் ரிகாரிடிங்குக்காக வந்திருந்த வெளிநாட்டு இயக்குனர் ஒருவர் இதைகேள்விப்பட்டு அசந்துபோய் இளையராஜாவை பாராட்டிவிட்டு சென்றாராம்! அந்தப்படத்தின் பாடல்களைவிட பிண்னனி இசைதான் காலத்தை கடந்து இன்றளவும் பேசப்படுகிறது.
சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்கள் படத்தை பற்றியும் ஒரு தகவல் கிடைத்தது. இப்படத்திற்கான ரீரிகார்டிங்கிற்கு ஆன மொத்த செலவு வெறும் பத்தாயிரம்.. மூன்றே நாளில் வெறும் ஐந்தே ஐந்து இசைக்கலைஞர்களை கொண்டு அந்த படத்திற்கு இசை சேர்க்கப்பட்டதாம்!
இதையெல்லாம் கேட்கும்போது இளையராஜா குறித்து ஒரு அமானுஷ்யமான பிரமை உண்டாவதை தவிர்க்க முடியவில்லை. ஏன் என்றால் சமகால இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் ஒரே ஒருபாடலுக்கு ட்யூன் போட பல ஆண்டுகள் எடுத்துக்கொள்வதையும் , அதிலும் எனக்கு மிட்நைட்டில்தான் ட்யூன் போடவரும், அமெரிக்காவில்தான் பாடவரும் என சீன் போடுவதையும், பல லட்சம் செலவில் லண்டன்,ஆஸ்திரேலியா,சுவிட்ஸர்லாந்துக்கெல்லாம் போய் ரீரிகார்டிங் செய்வதையும் பார்க்கிற இன்றைய தலைமுறைக்கு நிச்சயம் இளையராஜா குறித்த இந்த தகவல்கள் ரொம்பவே ஆச்சர்யமுட்டுபவைதான்.
அதே தோனி பட இசைவெளியீட்டு விழாவில் பிரகாஷ்ராஜ் ஒரு புதுமையை செய்துகாட்டினார். ஒரு சீரியஸான காட்சி முதலில் போட்டுக்காட்டப்பட்டது.. பின்னணி இசை சேர்க்காமல். உடனடியாக இளையராஜாவின் பின்னணி இசையோடு போட்டுக்காட்டியபோதுதான் ஒன்று புரிந்தது.. ஏன் இந்த தமிழர்கள் அந்த மனிதரை கடவுளாக வழிபடுகின்றனர் என்பது! பிரமாதம் என்று சொல்லுவது சரியாக இருக்காது. அதை விவரிக்கும் வார்த்தைகள் என்னிடம் இல்லை!
விழாவில் பேசிய பலரும் ஒருகுறிப்பிட்ட பிரச்சனையை முன்வைத்து பேசினர். இன்றைக்கு திரையுலகம் சந்தித்துவரும் பெரிய சிக்கல்களில் ஒன்று புரொடக்சனுக்காக எடுத்துக்கொள்ளும் கால அளவு.. சமகால இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் அனைவருமே ஒரு பாடலுக்கு கம்போசிங் செய்யவே வருடக்கணக்கில் நாட்களை எடுத்துக்கொள்ளுவதை பெருமை பீத்தலாகவே செய்துகொண்டிருக்கின்றனர். பின்னணி இசை சேர்க்க லண்டனுக்கும் ஐரோப்பிய நாடுகளுக்கும் செல்வது இன்னும் மோசம். மணிவண்ணன் ஒருகூட்டத்தில் சொன்னதுதான்.. புதிய தொழில்நுட்பம் நம்முடைய உழைப்பு நேரத்தை செலவை குறைக்கவேண்டுமே தவிர அது இருக்கிற வேலையை நேரத்தை அதிகமாக்க கூடாது என்பதுதான்!
வெறும் ஐந்தே பேரை வைத்துக்கொண்டு உயிரை உலுக்கும் இசையை சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்களில் கொடுக்க முடிகிற இளையராஜா மாதிரியான உன்னதமான கலைஞர்கள்தான் இன்றைய சினிமாவுக்கு தேவையே தவிர ஆண்டுகணக்கில் யோசித்து மொக்கையான இசையை கொடுக்கிற பீட்டர்கள் அல்ல!
IR and GVM were in Prasad studios yesterday and has completed the first song recording for Nee thane En Pon vasantham.
Source : In Yesterday's FM program Neega Nan Raaja sir, compere Senthil confirmed that he saw them work together in Prasad studios yesterday and the atmosphere was electric
Sakala, Thanks for sharing :):clap:Quote:
மணிவண்ணன் ஒருகூட்டத்தில் சொன்னதுதான்.. புதிய தொழில்நுட்பம் நம்முடைய உழைப்பு நேரத்தை செலவை குறைக்கவேண்டுமே தவிர அது இருக்கிற வேலையை நேரத்தை அதிகமாக்க கூடாது என்பதுதான்!
A comment on the blogpost that SKV has posted led me to this link :
article (google book) worth reading
KV,
+1 ! Nice ideas. My only wish is: IR not compose yet another album with 5 songs in a jiffy and throw at GVM. If GVM can truly inspire him, I think we'll be in for a treat. Let's hope it turns out to be big commercial hit in tamil for IR.
// IR not compose yet another album with 5 songs in a jiffy and throw at GVM //
Exactly !
That is my concern too..
IR cannot just go with his "at the moment" tunes/music and complete this album..
Whether IR cares or not,
Gowtham comes to IR with a fantastic history of musicals with Harris and ARR.
If IR-Gowtham combine fails to deliver that standard, fingers are already ready to point to IR ( again irrespective of IR cares or not )..
Either Gowtham has to be bold enough to extract stuff from IR or IR has to take his time to do the job..
When I think of Gowtham-Harris hits like Vaaranam Aayiram, I get nervous if IR can catch young minds like that..
Btw,,I read somewhere that Gowtham had already said the music director of NEP will be a surprise anouncement.
And that the film is already 50% shooting completed..
Probably Goutham wanted to complete the film to some point and then show IR to get the feel while composing ?
When can we expect the release ?
KV , thats a fantastic idea
I have posted your wishlist in the official FB page of Gowtham Menon.
https://www.facebook.com/GauthamVasudevMenons
Hope Gowtham Menon reads it and gets inspired :)
Will post the same in Twitter , lets start putting the pressure on GM.
I guess there's nothing to worry about IR delivering goods to Gautam.
He knows what's at stake and Gautam also knows what he should get.
Nice thoughts, KV!
Did you take out the 'tsk-tsk' thingy here? :-)
skr, can you please add that one :lol2:
http://vinaiooki.blogspot.in/2012/02/blog-post.html
தமிழ் அல்லாத சூழல், இந்தியா என்றாலே பாலிவுட் என்று மட்டுமே அறிந்திருக்கும் சராசரியான ஐரோப்பியச் சூழல், எனது கைபேசி ஒலிக்கிறது. குறைந்தது 5 பேராவது, திரும்பிப்பார்க்கிறார்கள், மூன்று பேராவது இது என்ன இசை, யார் இசைத்தது, எனக் கேட்கின்றார்கள்... ஒருவராவது இதனின் எம்பி3 வடிவத்தை எனக்கு அனுப்புகின்றாய எனக் கேட்பதுண்டு.... ஸ்வீடன், போலாந்து, பின்லாந்து தற்பொழுது இத்தாலி எனத் தொடருகின்றது... அது, பல்லவி அனுப்ல்லவி என்ற கன்னடப் படத்தில் இளையராஜாவால் போடப்பட்ட சின்ன இசைத்துணுக்கு...
சிலமாதங்களுக்கு முன்னர் ஓர் இந்திப் பேசும் மாணவன்,”வடக்குத் தெற்கு இடைவெளியால் நாங்கள் இழந்தது இளையராஜாவின் இசையை” சீனிகம் , பா படப்பாடல்களைக் கேட்டப்பின்னர் சொன்னான்.
App , i have already posted it and 2 people have liked it and one has mentioned that he totally agrees with this.
Unfortunately you cant edit posts in FB :(
I request ppl to come like the status and even posts comments to ensure it stays on top and GM reads it.
Namma muyarchi seyivom :)
Well, Sathyan Anthikad went to Raja for the first for 'Kochu Kochu Santoshangal'. He says in an interview that he went at 7 am to tell him the story. He told the story, Raja gave him the tunes and everything was done by 11 am!! Sathyan, who was used to MDs taking a minimum of one day to come with a tune or even more was stunned. He had expected the whole thing to go for a week or more. And here he was, less than half a day has passed and Raja says all songs are done. He gets nervous and calls director Fazil, who was the one who recommended Raja to him. Fazil laughs and says once Raja's hands touch the harmonium tunes just flow. Sathyan then goes on to say that the songs of 'Kochu Kochu Santoshagal' went on to be great hits. And what lovely songs they were: 'koda manjin', 'sivakara damaruka' and 'ghanashyama vrindaranyan'. There is no evidence that Raja took three days for 'andhi mazhai' or 10 days for 'Poonkadhave' or one month for 'panivizhum malarvanam'. All were done with the same speed. So as app says we don't need to worry.
Second, it was the same Raja who gave 'Cheeni Kum' and 'Paa'. Was 'mudi mudi' not youthful. And he would have given lot more in that movie had Balki not asked him to reuse 'thumbi vaa'. Again he gave a wonderful 'chinna polike' for the movie 'Om Shanthi' (Telugu) and 'Edaya Baagilu' for the movie "Suryakanthi' (Kannada). 'Sihigaali' still continues to be a favorite amongst Kannadigas and 'rangu rangu' (Prem Kahani) is often played on the FM Channels. It is just that he has been getting all village based subjects in Tamil and so you have to content with the music which suits the subject. Now that he has got an urban subject, he will work his magic here. I have no doubts about it.
As for giving our requests, I would have done it had Raja stuck to one style. But he has been changing his style constantly and surprising me with different things. I mean I am blow by the jazz work in 'vangum panathikkum' in Dhoni as much as I am by the rhythmic and symphonic work in 'Chengkadir'. So I will probably let him take a call. For he will not repeat himself and I am very confident he will give something new and fresh. Lets wait and watch.
And always remember, whenever the stakes have been high, Raja has delivered everytime without fail: 'Dhalapathi', 'Kaala Pani', 'Guru', 'Oru Yatra Mozhi', 'Hey Ram', 'Virumandi', 'Tiruvasagam' 'Paa', 'Pazhassiraja'. As app says, Raja very well knows about Gautham and what this means. So just chillax. We are in for a treat.
R_F, for once, I'm gonna agree with you!
skr, thanks for posting it in fb, but that could do with some editing! (don't know if he'd be able to follow 'Raagams of new age IR aadhangams', ER concert discussions,etc!)
Sureshji, I was expecting this response from you! :-). Enna, ungalukku contentment jaasthi, enakku konjam kammi! (like vadivel says, avar isai avalo kEtturkkOmla, andha poorippu! :grin:)
While I too agree that Raaja's style is more on-the-fly regardless of how complex/lovely a song can be, lemme try and explain my POV.
True, the tunes generally gush out of the man's finger tips... but my concern, though being about the tunes as well, is more pertaining to the orchestration. Now, I don't think he writes the entire score/orchestration during the session with the director. It's probably only the tunes that get okayed by the director in these sessions. The orchestration probably then happens in the later phases. This, like what we've discussed so many times before, depends on the story, the director's musical demands, Raaja's state of mind at that time, budget, etc. If the man isn't really 'inspired' in anyway, it'd mostly result in ordinary/get-the-job-done orchestration. A director with a clear 'vision' about his film and its music would, IMO, gain more attention and respect from Raaja (contrary to the belief that he'd be snobbish to such guys), thereby driving him to work on giving something special/fresh. This is what probably has happened with Paa, Pazhasi, ASK etc.
As to what's on Raaja's mind when he does the composing, none of us can guess. If we are to assume, he probably thinks that this kinda orchestration and tunes are perfectly ok with his directors and fans (considering that this is what most MDs churn out nowadays that get lapped up so well, becoming chartbusters/cashcows). Maybe he's of the opinion that this current junta has no liking for acoustic/real music or complex/classical tunes (like in the 70s/80s). We're (adhaavadhu, naan) simply trying to send a smoke signal that there's a bunch of us who's willing to see him explore more of this kind and who are not looking at cutting edge synth sounds/loops. If he could give us some albums in this style, I'm sure a majority of us would welcome it wholeheartedly. Simply imagining the extent of the musical beauty of such an album gives me so much thrill! Why not try a shot in the dark nu thOnuchu, post pannEn, avalo dhaan.
Curiosity question - how many TF directors have come to work with IR AFTER they did a movie with ARR?
And who are they?
(To my knowledge, there is none...the directors who left IR and went to ARR never came back, even when ARR was not available or wasn't interested anymore to work with their duds, they went to Deva / VS / GVP kinds but never back to rAsA. Same case with people who started with ARR.)
That way, is Gautam taking a rare step :roll:
Ofcourse he never "left IR for ARR" or "started with ARR" but still coming to IR after working with ARR...
http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/d...La_908034f.jpg
Nice report from The Hindu paper
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Dadasaheb Phalke awardee Balachander said that he came to the function mainly for the sake of Ilaiyaraja. “There's a family wedding today, but I am here to be with Ilaiyaraja. Raja enhances the beauty of a film with his haunting music. I have worked with M. S. Viswanathan and when I wanted to try a different composer, I sought his permission and approached Ilaiyaraja for ‘Sindhu Bhairavi.' When the song ‘Padariyein Padipariyein' was to be set to tune, he asked me for a day's time. The next day he was ready with the tune — a folk song with a blend of Carnatic music; only someone like Ilaiyaraja could come up with such a composition...."
Kv ,
Yeah I could have perhaps edited a bit. Oru unarchi.
However i feel he will understand about ER concert , not sure about the new age IR Aadhangams. The main crux is there in those 7 points which i hope he will see.
Gowtham has made a post "I'm going to live a dream. Make a dream come alive. ILAYARAJA sir.." , will try to post an edited version in the comments section.
App ,
Add Suresh Menon to the list.
He is someone who worked with ARR in Puthiya Mugam and now gonna work with IR in his next venture.
Outside of TF, one director who already done this : RGVQuote:
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adhu innum uRudhi illaiyE? Someone posted here that he is into restaurants...and not in movie field anymore.Quote:
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So, it could be some other mEnOn that IR meant :confused:
Venki,
Yes, RGV is already well-known (rangeelA to shivA 2006)...but it was not TF
Actually this is not of concern at all :-)Quote:
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Just look at the amazing orchestration for cheeni kum (or pA, for a moment forgetting the melody part).
Weren't they "hip" enough for even Mumbai crowds? If he freaks out like cheeni kum / mudhi mudhi / jAnE dO nA, that should be catchy enough IMO...
Rest of the things (standard of chorus, vocal harmony kashamushA , bass-boosting etc) will probably be managed better, thanks to better budget. We had seen such things happen on a different scale for MR compared to others even in 88-91 (or the kAlApAni / guru later on, that had funds).
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My thought about this whole issue..Quote:
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Even though the director approves the main melody, Maestro immediately writes the orchestration part for every instrument. Nasser's above article proves that. I believe Maestro is maestro and genius only because of this spontaneity. That is a gift, not many has. If he thinks twice (except if the director has not approved the tune), then that becomes a profession and not his life. I know, out of love for him and his music we wanted him to be back. He is always there, and many fail to notice that which is the biggest pain. He is the best judge and he has never failed anyone. There are numerous examples right from 70s till Hey Ram till today which we already know. In the case of ASK, even the director would have been clueless what Maestro is going to do after he showed the entire film. Sameway for Dhoni. Imagine those three songs in ASK and how it fitted the film and the picturization. Can anyone think of even attempting that? When he opted for musicians from Hungary for the BG score of the film, many would have thought why? We witnessed its effect in the recent show. Sameway for Nandalala, Pazhassi Raja and the recent SRR. No composer is as versatile as our Maestro. He knows what to give and he also understands every minute things going around, as he has one fine example at his home itself (yes, I mean Yuvan). I sometimes feel we are keeping GVM at a higher pedestal even compared to Maestro. May be his film songs would have been popular and bigger hits, by that, I believe we should not estimate or belittle or fear our Maestro's capability based on that (IMHO). Have we not seen much bigger hits than these? He is just few films old and our Maestro is a Monster. Innum avar ithuvaraikkum pOtta paattayE namma life'la muzhusa ketka mudiyuma theriyala. NaamaLe namma maestro'va purinjikalaina vEra yaar sir purinchipaanga? I know, even this news is true and Maestro scores big, there would still be lot of complaints and concerns. Because only with Maestro we can complain, it is granted, having given his life to music. Sorry if my post is harsh, but I am not happy with the whole issue.
+1, Absolutely, Bang on, You've hit the nail on the head, 100%, Top banana et al. the other phrases that indicate the superiority of the highlighted statement above.Quote:
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Well said, V_S sir!
I have another fear..
Sonnaa adikka varuveenga ( already I have a lot of good name here ).
irundhaalum solren..
Few directors who had established with other MDs , when they came to IR they failed or disappeared..
1. Cheran - He gave memorable hits with Deva. The films he did with IR - Desiya Geetham and Mayakkannadi both bombed. After Mayakkannadi, I am not sure if he ever was successful as a director.
2. Agathiyan - After a series of hits with Deva, his only film with IR was Kathal Kavithai. Catchy melodies came out, but the film was a flop. After this film, he disappeared.
3. Myskkin - His latest was Nandalala with IR. We know the fate of the film.
We know that all these were not due to IR, but still is there any JINX ? I am afraid of GM now..
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The problem is that when he moves away from acoustic percussion, what we get is NOT cutting edge sounds. Appadi irundhalavadhu parava illaye-ngaren....Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
Moreover, i will vehemently disagree with the notion that "sound la enna irukku, idea dhaan mukkiyam" by citing two small examples - "Aayiram thaamarai Mottukkale", "Ilamai Idho idho"
IMVHO, the most recent example of how i want his songs to *sound* is "Mudi Mudi" (contemporary mod songs la solren) - perfect. Naan Kadavul domain ellaam vera range, absolutely no complaints there. Jaiganes sonna madhiri "Om Sivoham" ellaam "summa adhirudhilla" stuff
Thanks Sunil :smile:
r_f,
Sari sir unga vazhikke varen.
Cheran - Desiya geetham was his second film after Bharathi Kannama. Yes, Bharathi Kannama was quite successful with songs also becoming hits. It was a film about 'paasam' between brother and sister. In his second film, Desiya Geetham, he opted for a political subject that too it was little bit against the then Chief minister MKK. We even know the history how this film was abused by the political party. So there itself lies the problem. Still he got Filmfare award for Best director. What can Maestro do here? After that he went back to other MDs like Bharadwaj for Autograph (again a love and safe subject), Sabesh Murali for Thavamai thavamirundhu. He was very successful as a director then. As per your jinx thing, after he came to Maestro for his second film, he should not be a successful director after that, right? And that again in 1998 where Maestro was past his peak (according to you all). But after that only his two biggest hits came. Can I take this positively because he worked with Maestro in his earlier film, that's why he got his biggest hits in his career.
Again he came to Maestro for Mayakkanadi. The film bombed because it was recap of all his earlier films, again Maestro cannot help there. That was in 2007. After that he started acting in more film like aadum koothu, pirivom santhippom, raman thEdiya seethai. May be there he lost the steam as a director. When he directed again in 2009 for Pokkisham, it bombed because the film was too slow (I liked that film). Again Maestro did not score for the film. Don't blame Maestro here. Now again, he is into acting more seriously. We have seen that in Yuddam sei, Muran etc.
So please don't blame/think Maestro for Cheran's career and his plot of films.
Do you want to talk about Agathiyan. OK
His only hit film was Kathal kOttai and to some extent gokulathil seethai. Both was in 1996. Just imagine if a director is having confidence in his music director, why is he jumping to another one? He already saw hits in these two films. Still he opted for IR for his next film, Kathal Kavithai because he thought for that script he needed IR. IR didn't disappoint, we know still everyone loves those songs. Unlike you said, this film was declared hit. You can browse through. After that he remade Kathal Kottai in Hindi named Sirf Tum. Everyone wants to get recognized in bollywood immediately right. Fame, money. Even after this loss, he wanted to do another Hindi film. Hum Ho Gaye Aapke. That was his decision, again why do you want to bring IR jinx here?
Do you still want to talk about Mysskin. I am ready. Please let me know. Please remember he gave super hit Yuddam Sei after his Nandhalala. He never disappeared.
I feel we are thinking too much negatively while there are so much positive avenues to think about Maestro. Whenever we are trying to dig and nitpick about IR (not his music), Why we are not thinking about how many producers, directors, actors have got their life because of Maestro. Even now, Maestro is behind every small producers and new directors. How many films he did for free. After his so-called past prime how many new directors like Bala, Balki, Susheendran have approached him and become successful. Even take Sathyan Anthikaad. He was with another director, after he came to Raja, he never went back. The period when he joined Maestro was in 2001 again past his prime, right? Suseendran also worked with other MDs before coming to Maestro. After that also, he is still there. Same way GMV too. No worries. They all are clever guys.
Also regarding GVM, his last film already bombed or atleast it was not a hit. Please don't bring jinx here saying that since he already thought about Maestro for his next film while he was doing nadunisi naaygal, that's why NNN bombed.
The judgement about IR not living up to hit-status of GVM is not a doubt on I'm but the lower standards demanded by today's youththu and even seasoned TFM fans - who, basically have an urge to sound "I am moving with times; open-minded; not fan boy; hence I I will accept any trash that comes out now and establish my still I am yeng credentials". This crowd has lower standards and goes with the trend and dismisses ir as uncool. We have seen clear examples in this very forum recently. Therefore, mozart's 25th symphony mAdhiriquality and catchoiness IR kuduthaalum indha gumbal will say uncool only. Indha gumbal is the dominant consumer these days. Therefore the fate of this movie is pre-detewrmined to be flop. Hidden gemsngaradhaiyE insultnu ninaikkum indha gumbal irukkaRa kAlathula namma TFM fansO irukkOmE adhu namma thalai ezhuththu
"Hidden gemsngaradhaiyE insultnu ninaikkum indha gumbal irukkaRa kAlathula namma TFM fansO irukkOmE adhu namma thalai ezhuththu"
Well said and very well put Plum! Can't believe this but. :sad:
adadA, why this negativity?
I'm 200% sure of getting at least a veRRi vizhA if not a agni natchaththiram :-)
IMO, en iniya pon nilAvai ippadikkoNdAdum oru ALAl rAsA kitta irundhu class+mass vAngAmal irukka mudiyAdhungOv!
Plum, who knows, with the kind of acoustic guitar inclinations of Gautam, we may even get some eeravizhikkAviya stuff!
Contrary to many here, I'm increasing my expectations :-) full ekiRal!
makkaLE, from the continuous blues from 1992 of people leaving IR, we got a tremendous reversal of a "HJ-ARR" loyalist coming to IR fold!
That too not a loser - someone riding on success!
Time to celebrate yAr - enna ippadi orE pulambals :roll:
App,Quote:
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I think few already tried. There was grapevine that ManiRatnam asked IR for Iruvar but he refused. So it could be the case that IR was not keen on these parties.. In that sense, it may be IR who is taking a rare step.. :)
raja_fan, On films flopping, there are so many factors influencing it. Can't blame just music for that.
Anyway I'm only interested in great music (not just 'good' ones like Dhoni) - which will hopefully become a chartbuster. As you guys said, both GVM & IR should know what's at stake, so let's be open-minded and hope for the best.
:lol:
I think apart from (or rather than) the "i'm cool/yeng" syndrome, it's an attempt to be "i like good music no matter who gives it", or to be perceived as someone with that attitude (athichuvadi). Actually i don't necessarily mean "attempt" in a dismissive tone, as in some people might actually keep trying to like or find good aspects in all music - akin to fan-boys (including IR's) trying to repeatedly listen to their idols album and kind of force themselves to like it.
To me, the problem with such kind of "equanimity" is that it betrays a lack of passion in music appreciation. Vithuvaan thathuvaan-a irukkanum nu avasiyam illa. Aaruvakkolaarum, isai pasiyum irundha podhum. Usually, with passion comes a natural tendency to discern. And it is this discernment that separates an HJ composition with the Maestro's (at least for us). I'm not talking about mere fan-boy positions which summarily dismisses every "other" there is. Not to say all HJ compositions are bad. IMO, some HJ comps might even be > than some of Raaja's, adhu vera vishayam but degree nu onnu irukkulla? If you can't identify that signature that sets your favorite apart, then the loss is yours - whether it is Raaja or MSV or Rahman. Apparam fan nu eppadi sollikka mudiyum? avanga signature, style, technique (big word but namakku purinja varaikkum), impact - idhellaam unaraama "all are good/equal", "i'm neetral" nu solradhula enna perumai?
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Bala, I meant the latter part of your post only. Neetral statuskavendi kaNdadhaiyum rasikka manasa pazhakkikkaRadhu. DiscriminationgaRa important attribute-a negativeA pAkkaRadhu.
wow! exactly, Plum nuch'nu solliteenga:thumbsup:Quote:
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vaasthavam dhaan. konjam munaippA contemporary music kEkkaNum. Mainstream-ai vittu vilagi irukkuRa current IR albaums thodarndhu kEkkaNum. michchadhum kEkkaNum. appo dhaan uruppadiyA opinion form paNNa mudiyum. Highly popular, TV-FM repeat based hearing mattum irundhA oNNum solla mudiyAdhu. Basically I am sOmbEri.Quote:
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