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Teja, any kalyani-based song can be linked to hundreds of previous songs composed in that scale both in TFM and HFM. Kaatril varum geethame is no exception, it has shades of previous songs, but still a good number overall.
" For all you know , if seen along with the movie, these songs might be apt. "
jaiganes, when seen along with the movie, even "naan autokaaran autokaaran" sounds apt as a Rajni intro song. Now does that make it a very imaginative composition in your book?
Earlier Raja songs used to have the power to stand on their own and in additon, sound good when seen on screen too. But these days the popular argument I get from some hardcore fans is that I need to see the movie in order to enjoy the songs. I dont buy this completely. It is partly true for situational songs like that composed in Hey Ram, Virumandi etc. But I like Guru, Kochu Kochu santhoshangal etc like anything and I havent seen these films. Same with several other 80s albums. And Oru naaL oru kanavu sounds like another commercial movie like Friends. I dont think the songs are going to sound any better on screen. They are your usual duets and solos composed for usual situations.
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vijayr!
One small point, Autokaran autokaran is SindhuBhairavi with SPB pitching in his best.
It is definitely 100 times better when seen with the movie than when heard alone. But to say that it is totally rubbish is not correct in my opinion. It had a lot of "Deva's uniqueness" and it is a mass song. I am not going to put in the leagues of "Naanaga naanillai thaaye", but it still deserves its own place along with the likes of "Vandhendaa paalkaaran" and "Raajavukku Raja naandaa", other Rajini mass songs. I would rate it 100000 times better than "Machaan paeru madhure".
Coming back to Raaja's songs these days, IMO, he has definitely curbed down on the interlude portions and that could be due to the lenght of the movies and how they would look in the movie.
Even in Mumbai Express, "Poo Poothadhu" song was curtailed and some interlude music bits and Shreya Gosal pieces very cut off in the movie. It was a disappointment for me and must have been for Raaja himself. Remember the village song in Pithamagan which did not feature in the film? I guess his short interludes these days are because of the current trend in Thamizh film world to keep songs shorter for keeping the pace.
Senility of Raaja is a strong word vem. He is just 60 + and for musicians it is not an old age. Again his style of composition is not painfully creating music, but rearranging effortlessly patterns that "appear" to him. How these patterns form in his mind seems to be driven by
1. How the creator of the movie narrates the story and song situations,
2. How the film maker has shot a certain scene &
3. Any challenge that stimulates, like a Hey Ram and samba kinda situation.
Yesterday I watched IPC215 , an NFDC venture directed by chaaru haasan on Raj TV. The movie was such a low budget one and IR had created some good and apt BGMs. The movie had its own drawbacks and plusses. However lot of moments were aptly supported by his BGM. I didn't find any symptom of his senility spoiling the music of the movie. Being an NFDC venture, he wouldn't have had the monetary incentive to do a great work, however being a professional he did a great job IMO.
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ONOK
Vijay
You missed my point, or did you bypass it? I have been trying to say that you must view ONOK or indeed any of IR's new albums in the context of contemporary offerings. Not against his late 70's or early 80's creations. Anniyan, Chandramukhi, Sachein, Arindhum Ariyamalum, Kana Kandein - the latest chart-toppers. Where would you place ONOK?
I'm not sure if you live in India/TN, and have had the misfortune of tuning in to the songs on FM. If you did, and you still compain about the last few IR albums, I have nothing more to say.
Ok, let's put it this way. Has there been a better female chorus than "Kili thattu" (AOKK), a better male solo than "Kattu vazhi"(AOKK), or a better light classical than "Katril Varum" (ONOK) in the last many months? In Malayalam, have there been better back-to-back duets than "Shwaasathin thaalam" and "Oru chiri kandaal" or a better female solo than Chitra's "Enthu paranjalum"? I can't think of any in a LONG distance.
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suresh,
Whatever you said is true and i have the same view over IR's Present day compositions. All these cribbing about IR not being good currently generates from comparing 80's IR Vs 2000's IR. I had already said this a few months back that 'IR need not be compared against him and comparing him with the present lot of MD's he is way ahead of them in creating magic' Unfortunately Vijayr seems to miss the point as always :)
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suresh - I guess u shuld listen to Kandu Kandu from mambalakalam - if u think mallu songs are not good nowdays..Or listen to some of deepak dev songs from symphony, chronic bachelor..Or maybe u culd listen to Or noor ashakal song from Ennitum by Jassie Gift - u will see there are quite a few talented composers in the mallu industry too!
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Btw - check out ARR praising IR,MSV and RM from www.dinamani.com
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Arjuna,
Translation please..Fonts problem :(
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http://www.dinamani.com/Cinema/CineI...tle=%F9Nn%A7Ls
ARR says "MSV, Ramamurthy, IR and TSM are all universities. There is not a single achievement that is not been done by them. When SJ Surya wanted me to remix the 'thotal poo malarum' from the song padakoti, I accepted it reluctantly since I was scared. I also gave a new tune for it. I was scared thinking what MSV wuld say after listening to the song. But in one function, MSV hugged me and said the tune was amazing."
ARR then gave golden rings to MSV and Ramamurthy.
I guess this wuld stop everyone shouting at ARR :)
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oops sorry it was IR who gave the rings..ARR wuld have given something too :)
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IR didn't give anything to ARR ? LOL :)
