:thumbsup: the dream run continues.. still are there anybody who attributes this success to luck factor? yep.. there will still be a few and they will always be..right? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by vanchi
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:thumbsup: the dream run continues.. still are there anybody who attributes this success to luck factor? yep.. there will still be a few and they will always be..right? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by vanchi
Hamid, without taking away from Credit of Dhoni, Can Dhoni fans tell me how much of this series win can be attributed to Dhoni? This series has been below-par for Dhoni as captain, wicket keeper and batsman. He almost screwed india with his wicket keeping failures in the first test, poor captaincy in setting fields, and letting Australia off the hook while batting. In addition, poor form with the bat(which I will excuse). First test win was due to others' efforts and INSPITE OF Dhoni rather than because of him.
The second test was better but even here, the overall quality and efforts of the Indian team did it rather than anything special from Dhoni. This is in direct contrast to the previous tour where he outwitted Ponting and co. with his captaincy - and it was clear from the way Kumble failed to win in the two tests in charge but Dhoni did with the same team.
In short, I appreciate Dhoni's overall role as captain but to use this series to generally thumb the nose at Dhoni's critics is cynical. In this series, I'd really say that Dhoni was lucky to be the winning captain.
Again, I hope you take it in the right spirit - I have no personal agenda against Dhoni; if I had, I wouldnt have worked so hard with chatterjee on behalf of his team(not that the team wins because of my chatterjee but one does tend to stick to such superstitions, doesnt one and if I was against Dhoni, I'd probably have done the opposite chatterjee, whether it works or not. I mean, you really have to take my comments in the right spirit instead of attributing agenda)
Ofcourse, the decision to send at Pujara at #3 was a masterstroke and one definitely credits Dhoni for it. But overall, re-quoting iLayathilagam Prabhu, in this particular series, it was a case of Dhoni in being a OdaRa padam rather than Dhoni nadicha padam Odings.
To be precise, lucky doesnt mean that EVERY SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT has been achieved with luck.
When people say lucky, they perhaps think of situations like these where things fell in place for him rather than anything special done by him, but still people add it to his achievements.
This is what is called as "Success breeds success". Nobody will be stupid to say that everything achieved by Dhoni is luck. In short, people are merely questioning the hagiographic narrative rather than presenting a completely destructive narrative as an alternative.
Plum,
I hail the team effort than an individual.. thats the point.. I again and again say that Mahi has got the team together.. The atmosphere is terrific and the success is mainly because of us playing as Team rather than an individual.. I credit Dhoni and Gary for the same..
My post was not against you..and for that matter it is against the generic thought which was forced many times in past.. I do feel you got to respect Dhoni offlate and gives him some credit.. ( I havent read all posts here . but i feel I am right)
and I sincerely belived u wanted India to win.. am happy for that..thanks for the same :cool:
this is purely ur point of view, there are many people who still attribute "all" read again "all" team India success, which in turn is Dhoni's as well, to LUCKQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Right, if people want to believe that every single achievement of Dhoni is luck, then good luck to them, they'll end up with a lot of heartbreak and disappointments in Life :-)
I sincerely want him to succeed now considering the alternatives - Yuvi? Durby? :skull: ? Sehwag? Gambhir? - however he is overworked and this series really brutally exposed his limitations. He needs time to rethink on his strategies and a break to rejuvenate himself - some of his field settings were howlers really and neither run saving nor wicket taking.
As a batsman, again, he has been consistently a failure against Australia, which certainly dents the overall reputation as a batsman. At one point, I was thinking, he could be our #6 batsman, and India can groom Sreevats Goswami or someone or even Dinesh Karthik as a test #7 wicket-keeper. But I dont see that as an option now from what I have seen in this series.
As a keeper, I am not too concerned about his mistakes. I think it is just overwork that is causing the mistakes. He really needs to start saying NO to N Srinivasan and consciously reduce his workload. Unless BCCI stops scheduling stupid SL series and ad-hoc bangladesh tri-nations, Dhoni will be burned out sooner or later.
As a captain, again, he just needs to spend some time observing the opposition and clearly working out tactics in his mind. Honestly, I feel that he didnt have enough time to prepare for this series as a captain after the emotionally draining CLT20 win just two days before the series. Again, BCCI really needs to consciously avoid burnout. Look what CA is doing for Ricky and extending his career :sigh:
this series dhoni didnt perform well as a captain - hmm didnt notice much but i thought he was bang on with the bowling changes and field placings.....infact, to me the "defining moment" of the series were ishants' 3 wicket spell in mohali second innings and ishant-lax partnership - i think the credit for 1st one goes to Dhoni a lot.......sending pujara was just a logical decision - the captain dhoni is much beyond that.....
and keeper dhoni did miss a couple of chances but no keeper in the world read again no keeper in the world can effect dismissals like clarke's in the second innings in bengaluroo.......dhoni, the batsman was partially good - with his support role for sachin in bangalore and a suicidal run out but he was struggling throughout the series......
as of now, i would like to dismiss these mundane "dhoni is lucky", "dhoni is a coward" , "dhoni is not contributing, only team is winning on its own" arguements and rather take a serious look at the pressure he has been put to.....the grey hairs doesent augur well - im sure he is undergoing tremendous bit of stress which needs to be discussed and considered by the board.........he definitely needs a replacement in atleast one form of the game :)
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Originally Posted by MADDY
Captain Dhoni: God has made Sachin for cricket
- Satisfaction at beating a ‘good side’; praise for pujara
LOKENDRA PRATAP SAHI
http://www.telegraphindia.com/110101...y_13056465.jsp
Bangalore: Mahendra Singh Dhoni, the Team India captain, had an interaction with the media in general, on Wednesday afternoon, and then took some questions exclusively from The Telegraph.
The following are excerpts
Whether the seven-wicket win over Australia is the most memorable in the two years that he has been the Test captain
Can’t pick one ahead of the other... The same goes for ODIs... But the fact is that Australia are a good side.
Reflecting on the Chinnaswamy victory
By losing tosses I don’t help the bowlers... It wasn’t a turning track, but was slow and the balls kept low... The bowlers did a very good job... A target of 207 wouldn’t be seen as big, but a start was still needed. Had a few wickets gone early, then panic would’ve set in. The scorecard may suggest it was easy, but there was some tension and a bit of nervousness in the dressing room.
A clean sweep, 2-0
It’s easy when it’s a two-match series only... It could get difficult if it involves three or four Tests.
His first series win after marriage
(Laughs) Yes, hadn’t thought of it.
If wife Sakshi made a trip to the Chinnaswamy
I did ask her to come on one of the days, at least, but she preferred to stay in the hotel. We do talk cricket, but never in any detail.
Thoughts on Sachin Tendulkar, Man of the Match and the Man of the Series
What do I say? God has made Sachin for cricket... I can’t put it better... We know he’s so talented, but we must also appreciate the amount of work he has put in from such a young age... He continues to work so hard, doesn’t take anything for granted.
Areas he’d been looking to exploit
Wanted to put pressure on Australia’s middle order and the lower middle order.
Promoting debutant Cheteshwar Pujara to the No.3 position and dropping regular Rahul Dravid to No.5, on Wednesday
We (the team management) wanted an experienced player down the order, after Sachin at No.4... Had Rahul come at his usual position, then it would’ve been (the inexperienced) Suresh Raina and Pujara after Sachin... Also, we thought the Australians may be taken by surprise and attack Pujara, which they did... He got the chance to play his shots... Instead of feeling the pressure, Pujara took it up as a challenge.
Whether Pujara was given time to mentally prepare himself
He was told about it before we began our second innings... He was up for it. Of course, we (the team management) had a discussion in the morning itself.
Pujara making a mark on his debut
The good thing is that the younger players (too) are performing... Murali Vijay, for example, got past the 100-barrier... Pujara realised that if he performed today, it would be remembered. It’s a learning curve for everybody.
Australians getting a taste of their own medicine — seeing the opposition chase down the target rather comfortably
Well, we got partnerships going... That was needed.
[Vijay and Pujara put on 72 for the second wicket, the third wicket partnership between Pujara and Sachin was worth 57 and, then, Sachin and Dravid took India to victory with an unbroken stand of 61 for the fourth wicket.]
Crowd support at the Chinnaswamy
Support helps and the crowd was remarkable... That’s why, as a token of our appreciation, we did a lap of honour... We’re used to playing in front of 30,000-40,000 fans in the ODIs and in the IPL and we’d like the same support in Tests... One needs motivation... We’re like performers in a circus, but the circus must be full... (Laughs) This should be taken in the right sense, though.
Whether India can dominate Test cricket like Australia did till recently
Would depend on one basic — playing good cricket... It would be nice if we could have a bigger pool of fast bowlers and spinners to pick from.
Finally, on the ODI series, which begins on Sunday
Australia and India are the top teams... Both, however, have rested some of the big players... It should be interesting.