In some particular type of fruits like guava, mango etc i like the 'kaai' more than the 'kani'! enna seiya!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shankar.P
In some particular type of fruits like guava, mango etc i like the 'kaai' more than the 'kani'! enna seiya!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shankar.P
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raagas,
IR has explained his stance on synths clearly in the TIS dvd. To translate it into english, it should be used like a "fruit hidden behind a leaf" (this is better said in tamil, probably there is a telugu equivalent).
That said, my understanding, many MDs are building the songs completely out of store bought loops..that is ..the whole texture of the song can be heard somewhere else. They are doing only the tune. This is a different approach to song making. IR for political/diplomatic reasons does not go into that much detail. Actually, in one interview he mentioned the audience whether what they are hearing is completely or check whether they have heard this before. Only in recent songs I have seen IR use loops predominantly..not sure how many have been used "off-the-shelf" and how many are programmed. But he has been adding his own chords/basslines to it.
In essence, the recent trend in composition put IR at an unfair advantage because the songs coming are a total collaboration effort with the loop producers, bass guitarists and singers who are free to improvise and are modifying the tunes by the MDs.
In one interview, a mridangam artist mentioned, IR writes every rhythm syllable.
I hope you understand his point better now.
@ezy I hope you must have missed the early days of HCIRF and HCARRF throwing missiles at each other constantly. Sorry buddy you are atleast 5 years late by hub timelines. chill out...
As kiru has pointed out and I am seeing very frequently, the rejuvenated raaja has cracked open a way to use a 'off the shelf loop' in his style - this is very evident in the 'yuvanish' sounding celtic violin pieces and the 'violin banks' segment in 'Om Shanti ' album. this needs to be studied very closely and discussed. Even some trumpet sounds are not the 'real' trumpet sounds these days. As We have read earlier that he is the #2 purchaser of software and hardware purchaser in India after Rahman. There is something behind all this - There is a lot of leaf cover all these days and then voila comes rejuv raaja who surprised everyone with a Jagan Mohini which had a mixture of sounds, three in his old style and two (Nilavu varum and Ponmani theril) from a new equipment. I think slowly this synth will become predominant enhancing sound, yet being 'Raaja's own creation. With the available clues, this is what Mr. Holmes will conclude I presume...
I dont know why my message was deleted? Is it because I said that such non-IR related discussion is unwarranted here? did i say something i should not have?
Kiru
I watched TIS videos and many other videos.I dont know what made you feel that i did not understand IR. I understand and I again reiterate that I am not contesting IR's opinion.My point is that IR SHOULD NOT be using loops, if he has such opinion. OR ELSE, if he is using loops, he should not be complaining about other composers.
ezy's argument was not pertinent to this thread.I was laughing out loud when he asked why ARR is into films and not doing what L.Shankar etc were doing? gosh,where were you in 1992? you should have offered this piece of advice to ARR back then, if you think that he should not be in films.
I have asked this before and i still wonder: Is ARR the only composer in India?Firstly, IR fans do not need to indulge in other composer bashing.and some do,ridiculously.And that too, as if there is no other composer in this country.I find it so silly and dumb. Why are some IR fans so obsessed with ARR?He operates in different sphere, with different approach,with different school of thought.Why is so difficult to accept that?Why dont IR fans crib about Pt.Hridaynath Mangeshkar then? or Mohana Sitara? or Shantanu Moitra? some posts, like ezy's reflect so much of jealousy and insecurity that i feel they completely missed the point.IR's music has so much of richness, that i dont even have time or thought to compare him with any other composer.He is in his own league. Why are people hell bent on proving that a line is small, so that another line is long. there are different lines (composers), in different axes, on different pages that too. Did ever R.D.Burman fans feel insecure about IR? or did MSV fans?it is silly and boring.This IR vs. ARR topic itself should be declared as null and void, because everything about them is totally different. It is like comparing John McLaughlin with John Williams. or Naseeruddin Shah with Aamir Khan?
Jaiganes,
You are right.Listen to the 2nd interlude of Ponmani Theril. I simply love the middle eastern ambience set there with guitars and percussion.Absolutely, but that piece sounds so familiar to me.No offence to IR but I have this strong feeling that i heard that bit somewhere. I never told that here in this forum, bcoz pple will go overboard with "impossible, prove it" kind of talk and I cannot prove it till i identify where i heard it.But i am sure i heard that small bit somewhere and i think it is loops (which must have been used by someone else somewhere).
If, by some miracle, IR invites all of us here to his recording sessions today, I am sure some of the hubbers here will be shocked, looking at the process. That said, I dont mean that he is completely techno driven.But he has become lot techno driven than any of us can imagine here.All this Live instrument - Live recording talk that we do. IR himself will laugh if he sees us defending him with such passion.ofcourse, he is capable of doing all that and still does, when it is needed.he alone decides that, while we people here construct only theories, about not only him..but also about 'other composers'.
A slightly similar discussion we've been having from yesterday, especially with respect to romanticized legends....Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
Saw Paa ( Full house still ! ) - Balki has done a decent job with smart , bold ( i mean how many films do we see the hero says i forgot to use a condom to accept his affair ) liners, innocence, locales, right level of emotional quotient.
Raaja's music was quite apt - it carried the story in right proportions - it underscored where it should and pronounced more where it should be - after a long time raaja has used themes and morphed version of the songs in BGM. Except in very few places, the music was brilliant . ( Esp note the place when abhishek touches auro in the hospital ) .
In the movie Amadeus, what I felt very interesting was the fact that Mozart rejects a religious call and does what he feels like doing. He rejects anything that might be commercially more viable, he choses to tread on his own path, his own commercial choices choices that make him an unknown in his own place, his genius is not carefully branded and did not give a damn about how much money he is making. Today there are tonnes of experts in the net virtually giving Raaja a piece of advice on everything, right from what films he must accept and with whom he must collaborate and get pissed off if Raaja broke off a collaboration with entity X or entity Y. Needless things I say..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Well, what is next after the tremendous success of PR & pA?
Will he continue with at least one or two big name collabs in 2010 ? :-)
Sure, he may provide gems for unknowns as in the case of chal chalEin. However, it doesn't hurt to work with the likes of Balki, and polish some of his poorly recorded yesteryear gems, isn't it? :-)
I would definitely want next Balki film to come up - with rework of songs like 'vizhiyilE malarndhadhu '!