Yes, Only Kaviarasu possible :) BTW, AFAIK, all 3 dravidian languages (kannada, telugu, malayalam), originated from tamil, so what is the big deal :huh:Quote:
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Yes, Only Kaviarasu possible :) BTW, AFAIK, all 3 dravidian languages (kannada, telugu, malayalam), originated from tamil, so what is the big deal :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Faramu -:). nAn edhirpArththa reaction kuduthuttInga.
Neenga itha thaan edhir parthathennu enakum theriyum Flau :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Next marvel from Sippikkul Oru Muthu is 'KannOdu Kannaana En Kanna'. Even those days when we listen, we could pick up that strong telugu flavor in the lyrics, tune and singing and could not enjoy the thamizh version. So we would switch to the original to get the best essence out of it, even we could not understand telugu. It is better to listen to this song only in telugu. When we switched to telugu, we were not only comfortable, but we were in for big surprises it offered, compared to thamizh version. The phrase 'pOdamma, pOdu, nalla pOdu innum pOdu' portion is unique only to telugu version and it sounded odd in Thamizh. 'Kottu' in telugu is 'adi' in thamizh, but 'adi adi nalla adi' could not provide good translation in thamizh, so lyricist opted for 'pOdu pOdu nalla pOdu', which could not substitute the telugu word. Since pOdu is not equivalent of Kottu, it again somewhat lost in translation. But, this is not the surprise. The biggest one is how SPB sang the telugu version compared to Thamizh version. While the thamizh version he has sung mostly with his original voice and he did not jell into the character at all (completely). While in telugu he has gone berserk and completely merged into the character and that shows in his singing.
Please listen to the following telugu equivalent portions and we can clearly see this magic is lost in thamizh. I don't know why Maestro didn't want SPB to sing in similar fashion in thamizh.
Kannodu kannaana en kanna unnai evaradathar kanna, annai unnai adithaLo sami, pinju nenju valikkatho sami.... (listen when SPB sings this line second time, the starting of the song).
amma, mannai thinga naan siruvano, maayavano kirukkano.. (telugu SPB at his best by any means).
azhugai vaaraadho, enakku azhugai vaaraadho (another example of SPB's exceptional talent).
and lot more... SPB easliy outdone SJ by his sinungalgals. The ganjeera which comes in first interlude is just freaky, I don't know how many rewinds for that piece alone. The stops in between and the building up the tempo again are truly marvelous, maintaining the same 4/4 time signature (if I am not wrong).
http://www.raaga.com/play/?id=1274
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFVMVm83KY (video version did not do justice to SPB's singing, still for Kamal's acting).
Another lyric thingy v-s - amma nannu kottindhi is normal speak in telugu while "annai ennai adithaal" is neither normal speak nor elegant poetic verse...and similar comparison between rest of lyrics
Thank you Param, for the concern!Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
(BTW, he passed away in '95. So, it's not a recent sOgam...)
V_S-ji, Thelungu versions kEttathillai.
However, going by your descriptions, it's possible that the Thamizh recordings got handled by some assistants of rAsA (retaining the orchestral tracks)...86'la yellAm avaru bayangara busy illaiyA?
#241 யார் தூரிகை தந்த ஓவியம்
(பாரு பாரு பட்டணம் பாரு, 1986 , உமா ரமணனுடன்)
The first SPB-UR duet that we feature in this listing exercise:-) And the second only song where Uma Ramanan had a chance to sing with SPB out of these 241 numbers so far. (The first one was not a duet, it had SJ also - 'thAzhampoovE kaNNuRangu' of inRu nee nALai nAn). Sweet number with some lovely flute & guitar work that were characteristic of early-80's rAsA but somewhat unusual in 1986...could be that IR composed it a couple of years back and the movie waited a while to get released.
I didn't have any idea about this movie (actually I even found the name only from the web...Manobala was the director and Mohan the hero it seems). OTOH, the song was very familiar - heard a few times on buses during 80's. Interestingly, I have this song and another from the same movie from a CD that has handwritten title as "Raja-6" (perhaps the personal recording of some relative that was accidentally left in my car). Going by that, I counted it as a "possible hit". However, prior to including in this thread, I wanted to make sure if the song has some web presence (to make sure it really had a decent number of listeners at the time of arrival or later on). Well, there are a few blog posts and discussions on this song here and there. dhool has featured the lyric...so, can be counted for this thread:-)
SPB sounds very different in this song (not to my liking)...but the melody is good.
#242 தென்றல் வரும் என்னை அணைக்க
(பாரு பாரு பட்டணம் பாரு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்)
This was the other song from the same movie that I had in that disk (mentioned in my last post). SPB sounds different in this too but this one is a much more acceptable song (sweet melody & the queen in decent form). rAsA had used veeNai freely. And with his chords, drums and flute this song is quite pleasing to the ears. Unlike 'yAr thoorigai', I don't remember hearing this song ever - i.e. prior to this "history-unknown-CD". One of the reasons could be my progressively-less-time-spent-inside TN. Another could be that the songs of PPPP weren't that popular among the masses (and happened to be in a flop movie).
However, the song has youtube presence with above-average viewings for rAsA songs of unknown movies. Interesting to see that the heroine was the same girl who called Mohanlal as 'kazhudha' in that super-duper-mega-hit Chithram :-) Since she was introduced only the prior year as a "side actress" by BR (andha nilAvaththAn nAn kaiyila pudichchEn), it's possible this was her first as heroine. After all, she did another "2nd-heroine" role with BR in another movie this year also. (podi nadaiyA pORavarE, poRuththirunga nAnum vArEn).
Her wikipedia page doesn't mention anything about her first movie as heroine. It has some other interesting info, however - that she was Singapore born and a lawyer by education prior to acting. In any case, though she hasn't done much in TF other than the two roles she did in MM & KK, she had earned a permanent place among MF lovers thanks to the phenomenal success of chithram.
yAr thoorigai youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fEjkZXTcwI
yAr thoorigai was featured in tfmpage's SOTD when dhool was part of it :-)
I'm doing some ctrl-c / ctrl-v from there :
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Looks like some thillAlangadi song :oops:
App, lovely songs, both. Yeah, he does sound different in yAr Thoorigai song. This one, he sounds normal though, for me. The scenes are decently shot.
Ranjani = Singapore import. Big hoo-haa at our neighbour's side (we get Singapore TV and radio, so there you go. When Rafee sang for ARR, he got big coverage where he revealed that he was (probably forcefully as I keep hearing this story) served with Briyani by ARR.).
அய்யோ கடவுளே, அது கண்ணதாசன் இல்லீங்கோ, மகாகவி பாரதியார் எழுதியது.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
:lol: I was waiting for this. Plum was pulling Params leg-u, or am I overestimating Plum's cruelty?
What ever happened to this Actress called "Ranjani", ivange yEn Revathy/Nadia range la Famous aagala :roll:
enakku Damil weak endrathal unagl ellorukum comedy ah poichu :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Au contraire Grouc, you cannot over-estimate my cruelty. Sorry Faramu - ungala paarthaale, cruelA EdhAvadhu paNNanumnu thONudhu(I mean, only pechu pechula dhaan. KOttai thaanda mAttEn :lol: )
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Originally Posted by Plum
It looks like challenging, but i never seen he acknowledged for any particular ragam for a song, for example in one of the interviews i remember he was asked "which one is his favorite ragam and do you set your mind before composing a song to be in that ragam, and he replied i don't purposefully compose a song in a ragam, i set the tune and it automatically get assigned to that ragam" something in that angle was his replyQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
buggle,
He did say something like 'raagam athuvaa vandhu vizhum' but he has also acknowledged composing in ragas like rasikapriya. Though ragas sometimes tend to fall in places, I would think all composers do voluntarily go after specific ragas/scales sometimes. For example, I would be hard pressed to believe that the ragas for 'thom thom' or 'ananda nadanam aadinaal' (sindhu bairavi) and 'oru kaatril' (naan kadavul) fell automatically.
app,
NIce write up. elam ipo dhan padikaren.......
Wish a Happy New Year to All of U.............
app,
'yaar thoorigai' is an outstanding melody. Excellent arrangements. There is a set of songs like this, 'maargazhi paarvai', 'manadhil enna ninaivugalo', 'vaanam enge' etc which showcase the ultra modern Raja. Extremely wonderful songs in every aspect. Can't believe someone could have composed them in late 70s/early 80s. He can actually do a one or two hour concert with just songs like these, which were outstanding but never got popular.
App was coming here to read and actually thank Usha for sharing "Yaar Thoorigai" song...now I can thank you both :) This song nicely finished off my year...being the last track to be played repeatedly before the year came to finish...an old song found anew...just like old memories and their nostalgic sweetness relived anew... :)
Wish You All A Very Happy New Year!!!
nanRi groucho, buggle, Usha akkA, Sureshji and Querida for the visit & comments :-)
I'm behind by four days - due to continuously driving around (NY / NJ / DE states & finally back to 'home-sweet-home' about an hour back, welcomed by snow after an unusually warm year-end...It was funny to watch a motor cycle rider on Jan 1st @ Schenectady, NY where it used to snow heavily around this time of the year)...
Since I have one more vacation day left, will try to post as many songs as possible later today (after getting some sleep) :-)
Que,
en perai izhutheengala.. Thanks a lot . hehehe....
app,
eagerly waiting for ur picks and for ur write up............
To gain speed and catch-up, I'm picking a movie with 3 SPB hits...perhaps one of the best ever albums in TFM but my top 2 picks do not feature SPB. (One is a KSC solo and another SJ solo).
BTW, rAsA gets only 50% credit for this album :wink:
These three numbers should complete the year 2011 (already behind us) and we can pick the next movie for 1/1, 1/2 & 1/3 (hopefully I'll catch up by tomorrow).
#243 தேடும் கண் பார்வை
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்)
Though it was written by AVM Saravanan that MTK was a benefit match for MSV, the major beneficieries were TN people! What a fantastic musical treat we got, such an evergreen treasure! An 'akshaya pAthram' of abundant sweetness! With the only difference from the perungAppiyam maNimEkalai is that I continue to be a "still-hungry-Kayasandigai":-) I don't think my appetite / thirst for these songs will end even after another 1000 listens. On occasions I'll let 'kuzhaloodhum' (or 'ooru sanam') on repeat mode for days in my car, never needing another song at all. What MSV / IR / KSC / SJ have reached in this album is such an extraordinary height that can't be so easily reached by most musicians in this world!
Coming to SPB, it's interesting to see that his favourite composers missed giving him a solo in this unique album. Possibly the movie director's choice - who is another favourite of mine - R Sundarrajan :-) (This movie was a sodhappal, however, IMO...I watched it only a few years back on a very-good-quality DVD and wasn't impressed. The picturization of 'kuzhaloodhum' is awesome, however! One of the best-ever in TF IMSO! That DVD watching was the inspiration to start a thread earlier, with the title "Appreciating good picturization for great songs" which ran into 100+ pages...UshakkA , R Balaji & Saradha madam had excellent contributions to that thread...unfortunately, it vanished one day :-( )
thEdum kaN pArvai is an agmark MSV-tune & very typical IR-orchestration (i.e. what IR does for RS / Motherland pictures kind of movies). I especially love the saraNam portion - SPB is awesome there and the tune is phenomenal! Ofcourse, rAsA places his muththirai in the flute ending of the first interlude - terrific! SJ isn't at her best in this song - sounds almost like weeping even though the scene didn't call for it :confused: However, the variations given by her to the pallavi in the end are 'nOkku varmam' variety (what is the term for mesmerizing through ears?)!
I don't think this movie enjoyed a very successful run...possibly "5-kku 2 pazhudhillai" ragam - i.e. some returns & some benefit to MSV. I think AVM tried the gimmick of switching the flash-back around in some centers (i.e. interchanging the pre-interval & post-interval porions which still makes sense...Amala for one half & Radha for another, both beautiful & talented heroines...Amala comes with head / face covered for a significant part, however).
Regardless of the movie's run, the songs were extremely popular - I would say as much as any big hit in that decade (including the Kamal / Rajini hits). Such was the love TN people had for MSV & IR! Such was the phenomenal quality that the genius combo provided for this movie!
#244 தில் தில் தில் மனதில் ஒரு தல் தல் தல் காதல்
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , சுசீலாவுடன்)
Another agmark MSV-tune / rAsA-orchestration number. Here again, I love the saraNam melody much more than the pallavi (which is average IMO..i.e. by the standards of the two masters who worked on it. If one goes by the song that SPB got for a giant-banner movie in 2011 - the yucky yammA yammA, dhil dhil dhil can be called something "beyond reach"). I still stand by my not-so-great-love for SPB-PS duets, though I adore the singing of both these greats. (This song is not so much of akkA-thambi feel, however...it has started to feel like ammA-paiyan :oops:)
The song was immensely popular and loved by the public. From the time this album got released, for years, there wasn't a trip from Palakkad to home without at least one song from this movie heard somewhere. (Either in the buses or one of the teakkadais in the Kovai-Pollachi-Pazhani-Dindigul bus stands). That way, I'm so proud of the isai rasanai / craze of the majority of TN (of 80's :wink:) ! Well, the MTK songs clean-bowled my Malayali colleagues as well. There was this smart guy from Alappuzha (who joined a year after me, technically weak but wanted to manage a high-tech department that had top-class-engineer-trainees and faded away within a short time) with a great taste for every non-technical thing! (Don't ask me what all, let's stay within music discussion). He had as much appreciation in real life for 'vandhAchchu chiththira dhAn pOyAchchu niththira dhAn' as what Mohan shows on reel! appadiyE pAdippAdi mey silirththuppOyiduvAn!
I don't even remember now how dhil-dhil-dhil is shot on screen...should look at the youtube...
thEdum kaN pArvai youtube:
(I think this is the quick-sand number, total mismatch between SJ's whining and Amala's kuRumbu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgPVn81e6CM
This and Idhaya Kovil (combo films in one cassette) played on loop in my uncle's car which we hitched for a ride to relatives wedding. Long trip, thoroughly enjoyable thanks to this. So, upon hearing this song, I am immediately transported to my cheriyacchan's wedding at the end of '86.
'dhil dhil dhil' youtube
(shows Amala again, must be a kanavu scene...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmXoHxEsWPo
Looks like all the SPB numbers are for Mohan-Amala (Radha gets kuzhaloodhum & ooru sanam, however).
It's too late in the night...and 'vA veNNilA' calls for some "confessions" :wink:...so, has to wait till tomorrow to post!
App anna
Regarding Mella Thiranthathu kadhavu, who actually composed the tune and who scored the BGM for the songs and the film? because on the CD I bought, it said MSV+IR. But having listened to the songs, all songs(tunes) sound so much MSV ish, except Vaa vennila, which sounds typical Ir ish. :roll:
Regarding SPB+PS combo, I agree (though I am big fan PS's voice) SPB's voice is highly youthfull, while PS sounds mature! IMHO, I feel TMS + PS combo is the next best combo in TFM after the addictive SPB+SJ combo :)
Param,
Someone quoted MSV's TV interview (in one of the threads) as below:
-MSV did melodies for all except kuzhaloodhum which was by IR
-MSV "approved" the melody for kuzhaloodhum
-That rAsA used kuzhaloodhum's tune for a song in Balki's Cheeni kum also endorses this claim
-vA veNNilA was a "reworked" tune from an old MSV song (so, your guess of that being IR-ish is quite off the mark)
-Orchestration was by IR for the most part
According to a DF-er in tfmpage who happened to be in the studio for one of the composing sessions of MTK, there was close co-operation between the composers with a lot of suggestions coming forth from both as well as a lot of mutual admiration / appreciation between them :-)
Personally, I feel MSV probably didn't think about the 'sakkarakkattikku' song which sounds like typical IR :wink: Perhaps he wasn't even aware of the existence of that song :lol:
Also, IMO, the closest co-operation between the genius composers happened for the 'ooru sanam' song. Very different from anything that MSV & IR did prior or after. True fusion of thoughts from both!
Another interesting fact: IR's previous "boss" - who happened to be a close friend of MSV as well - the late composer GKV, was involved in this project too, as an actor:-)
Are you talking about the movie with AB and Nandita das?? I can only recall a song by KSC in this film , which was direct copy from IR's "Mandrum vantha thendralukku mancham vara" ?? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Yes, now that you mentioned Kuzhaloodhum , and sakarkati does sound so IR ish :)
Faram, as Balakrishna Sastry would say: reNdu thappulu. Nandita Das illai - Tabu. KS Chitra illai - Shreya Ghoshal.
Thanks Flau annEhQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I was confused over Nandita das vs Tabu, still recovering from the new year celeberations :lol:
#245 வா வெண்ணிலா உன்னைத்தானே வானம் தேடுதே
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்)
This version has only humming by SJ, with SPB singing all the lyrical lines. There's another SJ solo version. Either way, this can be listed as one more top SPB-SJ duet! A very romantic one, IMO. With sweet guitar portions accompanied by clap sounds, this song sounds very folkish. Even having some northie feel. The instrumental accompaniment for the last line of the saraNam is so sweet. That is my favourite portion of the song and the singers excel there as well. So much sugary!
So, it's only natural that some "pattAmpoochchi-in-mind" moments of 1986 are triggered (that I mentioned about confessions that needed to be made in this post) :-) As we all believe, vaNNaththuppoochchi enjoys flowers not just for the nectar but also for the beauty. (Those who study butterfly science please confirm if they prefer one kind of flower to another, based on the color / freshness / fragrance etc and not just for the purpose of feeding its stomach). In any case, when used as an uvamai - equating pushpams to the prettier gender and poochchees / vandoos to men, it applies more for the apperance than for "nectar" - that is, at least until the 80's-90's :lol: OK, don't want to generalize there, namma kathaiyaippoRuththa varai avvaLavu thAn :-)
So, if someone was in a "dry" thuvAkkudi for 4.5 years and then got employed in an extremely "rainy" Kerala, it was only natural to keep the eyes open for flowers - even during sleep. Due to strong beliefs in self-control / discipline etc, the nectar level - why even "speaking" level - was never reached. However, the eyes had feast for years until the real love got firmed up and kAl kattu happened. Well, let's limit to the early Palakkadan days - precisely the later part of 1986 / early 1987 :-)
If someone had watched 'engEyum eppOdhum', a recent movie (I liked it very much), it's possible they at least smiled - if not LOL'ed - at the Trichy girl who comes to Chennai for an interview alone and heavily suspects the stranger boy. In 80's, a similar & typical situation existed for TN boys who got work assignments in Kerala. One of my classmates said "you were in this dry campus for so long that every girl will look like apsarus for a long time - so, wait for at least a couple of years before tying the knot" :lol: Little did he know that I always had more concern for parents / family. A similar thought was expressed by many friends / relatives to be "careful" lest you'll be "vaLachchuppOttufied" :rotfl: What a terrible stereotyping and underestimating of Mr Viswamithra!
Well, the management of my workplace thought of even more extremes - that they made strict dress code for girls / long overcoat etc. On top of it, the strict enforcement of the rule that both marriage mates cannot work for the org, to keep it with more rigor. None of those advices, rules were needed for a bayandhAnguLi like me but still they were all constant reminders of the "possible danger". However, the flesh & blood - especially the organs that make opthalmologists rich - cannot be that easily bridled.
So, I had enough of those intoxications - some even ran for days / months before passing. Each one accompanied by a rAsA song of that time period (For example, there was this beautiful girl who always had a single red-rose and got into the bus few stops after mine and always peered into the rear of the bus to locate me & lock the eyes together for the rest of the journey - day after day - for months and she was termed 'chinna maNeekkuyiloo' :lol:). Interestingly, none of those ever ended in any vocal conversation.
So was this lean and sharp nosed bus-stop girl, who happened to work in the same campus as me but in a different building and who gave those 10 minutes of pattAmpoochchi moments while waiting for the bus to go to work from Palakkad fort maidhAn. Well, she got the 'vA veNNilA, unnaiththAnE vAnam thEduthE' title :lol2: Always clad in kanji-pOtta-cotton-saree & very elegant with lovely eyes, it appeared that we missed batting the eyelids while waiting for the bus. It went on for months, with nothing else - may be there was a hard-to-identify-punnagai, from both, at the end of the 10 minutes daily.
Well, the whole thing ended when her unit got moved to another campus and the bus route changed :-)
There ended the 'vA veNNilA' story :lol:
With that post, both MTK & the songs for each day of 2011 got completed.
I still have a long way to catch-up as we're in the 3rd day of 2012!
:lol2: ithu unga vootu kari ammaku theriyumma :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine