ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

i heard a song which is very similar to "kannai vittu" in pattiyal

wait i shall post

http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-am.html

see the 54 the song....named turn me on!

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

I think YSR is right in what he says. Classical music gives you a method to compose for movies but not THE ONLY way. A MD does not do classical performance in movies, he presents a set of songs that suits the theme of a particular movie. Is there any rule he should compose only based on raagas (unless it is sindu bairavi or ....)? If you have the technical knowledge and a song is composed based on some raaga, you will enjoy it more. But as a commoner, I don't think it matters much as long as the song is good to listen. If you are expecting only classical based songs from movies, then you should be dumb. Don't blame the MD, because that is not their job.
In his recent interview to AV, Sanjay Subramiam says that he likes IR songs that came out before IR started using raagas into his film songs. Does that tell you anything??

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Really? Is there a link to this article somewhere?

and regarding what YSR said, your interpretation of it is wrong. Songs need not be in specific raagas to appeal to a common listener agreed, but thats not what YSR said. He said knowledge of classical music is not needed. Which is not necessarily true. In fact if someone goes to YSR and asks him to score music for a film like say Sindhubhairavi, what would he do then? Would he read "Learn carnatic music in 30 days" or "Classical music for dummies"? Or remix all songs from Sindhubhairavi? (like how he did with "kaNda naaL mudhalaai"). An MD should be aware of as many genres in music as possible so that he can use them as and when the situation warrants. But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms :-)

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But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Really? Is there a link to this article somewhere?

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I think AV.com was turned to a pay-site now. But a detailed interview of him came out a few months back in 'kalachuvadu', he was quoting similar things there too.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

and regarding what YSR said, your interpretation of it is wrong. Songs need not be in specific raagas to appeal to a common listener agreed, but thats not what YSR said. He said knowledge of classical music is not needed. Which is not necessarily true. In fact if someone goes to YSR and asks him to score music for a film like say Sindhubhairavi, what would he do then? Would he read "Learn carnatic music in 30 days" or "Classical music for dummies"? Or remix all songs from Sindhubhairavi? (like how he did with "kaNda naaL mudhalaai"). An MD should be aware of as many genres in music as possible so that he can use them as and when the situation warrants. But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms :-)

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I think you are wrong again. I have not listened to his interview that was in question. But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge" I still think YSR is right in what he says. Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf? Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth. Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey? (I vaguely remember reading about this bit song in the AV movie review, correct me if I am wrong). I hope you did not and applaused it with your mouth open :)

I know what your intention is. Go ahead and ridicule Yuvan as much as possible, this is a free forum after all. But what matters is how much successful Yuvan is among the mass, I think he scores there perfectly and leads all the way.

"But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge""

and I said in my previous post :
"He said knowledge of classical music is not needed"

whats the big difference between these two comments?!

"Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. "

and how qualified are you to say that? :-)I can easily think of 2 other MDs who have given such classical songs in the past and who are capable of doing it well too-VS,ARR. Just because you are ignorant, it doesnt mean there arent qualified MDs around

"Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf?"

Thats besides the point. The thing is even if they DO want to make a movie like that they wont go to Yuvan due to his suspect knowledge. When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

"Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey?"

That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used. As against that he has given several original classical songs in other albums. Anyways, there is no need to drag ARR or IR or any other MD whenever YSR is being criticized. The fact that you do that every time only shows what YOUR intention is :-)

"And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth."

3?
aasai nooruvagai, ennasai mydhiliye, kaNda naal mudhalaai, adiye manam nilluna-which ppl have discussed it here
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3185

and 2 more songs of MSV in the upcoming Billa movie.
Thats already a total of 6 songs and several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on). I might have even missed some. Theepdikka had some old songs remixed in. The fact is he does it more than any other top-echeleon MD

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several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on).
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I agree with you on others...However, the 7GRC score just had one motif from the Johnny theme. The remaining portions aren't copied as far as i know.

Count the number of motifs there and you'll know how much of a copy it is.

Most of the TFM lifts of all MDs listed in copied songs thread and elsewhere, even those of Deva's, have their inspiration/lift limited to just the first line of the pallavi or maybe the first 2 lines. The rest of the song are their own. But we still term it as a lift. So lets keep the standards uniform. One motif is long enough to be termed a lift. oru line copy adichchaalum copy dhaan.


As for YSR, his rehashed songs list will probably be a bigger one than his remix list. I have'nt even gotten started on that yet. Since this topic was just about remixed songs I have restricted myself.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

"But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge""

and I said in my previous post :
"He said knowledge of classical music is not needed"

whats the big difference between these two comments?!

"Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. "

and how qualified are you to say that? :-)I can easily think of 2 other MDs who have given such classical songs in the past and who are capable of doing it well too-VS,ARR. Just because you are ignorant, it doesnt mean there arent qualified MDs around

"Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf?"

Thats besides the point. The thing is even if they DO want to make a movie like that they wont go to Yuvan due to his suspect knowledge. When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

"Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey?"

That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used. As against that he has given several original classical songs in other albums. Anyways, there is no need to drag ARR or IR or any other MD whenever YSR is being criticized. The fact that you do that every time only shows what YOUR intention is :-)

"And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth."

3?
aasai nooruvagai, ennasai mydhiliye, kaNda naal mudhalaai, adiye manam nilluna-which ppl have discussed it here
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3185

and 2 more songs of MSV in the upcoming Billa movie.
Thats already a total of 6 songs and several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on). I might have even missed some. Theepdikka had some old songs remixed in. The fact is he does it more than any other top-echeleon MD

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Originally Posted by vijayr

When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

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actually I dont have the technical knowledge. but whats wrong with "kanda naal mudhalai" song??? I think it is very good song. it has carnatic feel in tune and has techno BGM. is there any rule like for carnatic tune, we should use only carnatic instruments?
if i am wrong, then point out.

p.s: yuvan also scored some outstanding carnatic based songs like "kana kanum kalangal" from 7GRC, "dheenda dheenda" from TI.

Then reagrding base classical knowledge,

IR oru interviewla sonnaru, yuvan ethuvume theriyathunnu kai vaippan. but ellame athula irukkum. thats yuvan.

in TFM, for people who want to degrade/criticise yuvan, they will drag remix in to picture.(yuvan only scored 3 complete remixes, 3 partial remixes in his whole carrier - 250+ songs. thats different story). They will forget yuvan's unbeliavable/memorable gems. anyway we also dont want yuvan's remixes now.

we hope that yuvan will put fullstop for this.