Which non-Indian film did you watch recently

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

The Pianist - Good. Actually I thought this was better than Schindler's list. There are some movies you need to recognize and give awards so that some stories and messages passes through the next generation and holocaust is one of them.

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:thumbsup: I like Polanski's direction. He was originally offered Schindler's list, but Roman declined it.

Polanski, polanski, polanski - Why on earth would you do that crime man? :twisted:. God knows how many Chinatown's and Pianist's Hollywood missed during those 3 decades?

k_g: That's something new info to me. I actually read that some of Polanski's family have been actually murdered in the holocaust.

Yeah. His mother was executed in Auschwitz..

His wife Sharon tate and many of his friends were executed by Manson family.

He got caught on charges of rape and pedophilia...Have you seen "Pokanski: wanted and desired" documentary. Brilliant case study of a failed American judicial system. Of course, what Polanski did is inexcusable. Moral reprehensibleness and all that.

I haven't seen that documentary. Will keep this in mind for future references. :).

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

Raaja's method is astounding. :notworthy:

But whatever said of artist's methods, we aren't paying enough credence to their "intentions" in first place. For all we know, the first attempted notes might be a masterwork in its own right. But the art of perfecting and getting the right essence is absolutely essential and matters to the artist. Best example would be (and also quite relevant to the thread) Kubrick getting countless shots/takes of reactions from actors and is known to chose eccentricity/theatricality over the apt/right choice - which was quite likely to be nailed in the very first take. Why? Because the artist wants the creation to fall in line with his overall vision and in setting it up in the right way for "us" to see/hear/feel/experience. The process is quite often fine-tuning and chipping off the rawness of creation to what the artist absolutely needs to convey. Than necessarily a hit-and-hope or luck. :thumbsup:

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Yes, there is the question of what the artist wants and that determines the artist's approach.

Also, unlike cinema, music is more direct to the artist IMO and hence, i'm not sure if we can have a direct comparison to respective approaches.
As for retakes, its a matter of getting the execution right, isn't it? And retakes happen in Raaja's studios too :)

Rahman and others with a similar approach work like a band. Rahman is the driver. Ideas are bounced off/written, notes are played on instruments, discussions happen, improvisations and revisions are made and so on. For e.g he might give a base brief/theme/raaga to an instrumentalist to play for a while. He then selects what he sees as the best fit for his goal.

And like you mentioned, the call to be made as for when the work is 'perfect', is solely the artist's. If Raaja knows exactly what he wants (and more importantly, everything he wants), there is no question of perfecting by collaboration, reviewing, etc [like i said, there must have been exceptions to this rule surely, like Ajay Chakroborty improvizing, etc and many more, romanticized legend notwithstanding :) ]. Whether a work is perfect (in terms of adherence to vision and goals of passion) or not is decided by the artist. The audience may dislike it but Raaja decides how finished his work is.

Anyway, comparison of approaches is one thing. Comparing music composition to software engineering, peer review, management is not fair at all IMO.

My point was the sheer ability and the talent it takes to do what Raaja (or Mozart?) does is something which is just beyond words.
Imagine this: Raaja must be absolutely sure what the music will sound like when he is writing into the score sheet. He must hear the composition in his mind. If you imagine this process for something like Thiruvasagam, even to digest what this means and how it is possible is quite something.
Like i mentioned, the "confutatis" scene brings this to mind in a striking manner.

I do acknowledge Raaja's method is astounding. That is not something I'd even attempt to debate on.

I was sticking to Mozart's method. The Kubrick example makes sense - in that, he is going to choose out of many variations through which the narration could be made to match his vision/intention. In that, it is comparable to a Mozart symphony, and whether note C is preferred over E or F. In that, there are many variations. and how the final touch is absolutely vital for the creation to work as he intended it.

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Comparing music composition to software engineering, peer review, management is not fair at all IMO.

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appadi yaarunga sonna.. :wink:

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The audience may dislike it but Raaja decides how finished his work is.

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Absolutely. With greatest of respects and credence to first-shot method and mental arrangement/conception of the creation. I was only talking about second method.

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

Must-watch for the actress. :thumbsup:

hope I don't flunk (like I have, time and again, to Venki )

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:? nAnA? :confused2:

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Originally Posted by Sid_316

Tropa De Elite 8-) nice crime thriller!

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sid ippO 2001 patri Oriru vArthaigail solvAr :P

Rachel Getting Married :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:

A sister(Anne Hathaway) returning from drug-rehab with a troubled past to attend her sister's wedding. Family tensions between a divorced father trying to accept her daughter and feelings of differences between these two sisters over various events that have happened through their lifetime. At no place in the film it looked like a film. This was like a real-life documentary. Stunning achievement by the director(Jonathan Demme). Great performances by the entire family

Anne Hathaway :bow:. Broke back Mountain, The Devil wears Prada. Becoming Jane and this film. One of the most promising actresses of this generation. In many of the scenes in this film you can spot her with a cigarette in her hand :lol: . Looked convincing for a druggie role. A richly deserved oscar nomination.


K_G: Have u seen this? :).