Maestro Ilaiyaraja New Albums 2011 - Hello Jaihind / Sri Rama Rajyam

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Originally Posted by mohanraja

According to me raja has done his best from '79 to '85.

ezy0265 has written abt rahman. His points are really valid.

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May be you dont find post 85 work of IR to be his best but IR has always been giving some great music to this very day. May be 90s had a brief lull (though he gave some stunners too in that period).

And you can agree or disagree with ezy. to each his own.but probably this was not a right place to criticize any other composer, to glorify IR.My question to you or ezy would be:what are we gaining by criticizing some composer for the path/style/approach he choose? If the answer is 'Nothing', then why indulge in it at all?is it a form of "venting out frustration(about IR not getting recognition in same scale)?".
honestly, i find it all silly!

I can see people here lament that IR uses synth , loops etc in his new movie " Om shanthi" , but the result is OM shanti is a hit in andhra and "Mallipovu" vanishes without trace even though it has outstanding songs. Now who is responsible for a hit or flop, if IR sticks to his orignial orchestratiion method ,, we might have stopped hearing songs long before because he might have lost in the industry.
Most of us know for a hot day thirsty " tender coconut" is the best of the body , but the vendor who sell "tender coconut" never able to beat the sales of Pepsi and Cola.

Trend - who is making the trend , not people the movie directors and producers , they choose certain ideas to grab money in large scale , only few think about traditional values and taste of mother culture. People will watch if quality movies and songs are available, in "Ideal star singer" programs i never seen partcipants singing Harris Jayaraj (or) Devi sri Prasad (or) Vijay antony songs , this still search for good songs llike Pahasi raja songs or Nan Kadaval songs why llike this..

Did anybody watched chinese or japanese movies having pop or rock songs in their story lines, why we should... Rajini in Sivaji wants a tamil girl wearing saree with god faith but sings western song ,, No body asked why ,, No body wants to respect our culture like chinese or Iranians do.

Can any indian other than IR can give music to flims like "Sagara sangamam or Sindu Bairavi" , did the oscar comitte know about this type of music, they can able to evaluate...

I want to see people who hear contemporary hits to have only " KFC , Burgers, Pizza's, Noodles and spagatties", why they still have idli , dosa , chutney , sambar , hello these are old style food we should change ....

We still have one life partner, bonded family, traditional marriages,, etc. But now north and south wants new western pattern in music why only in music let us change everthing...

It is unfortunate to see the lengend IR also caught in the trap

Ok this is going beyond lunacy, all those who believe 21st dec 2012 will come due to thalaivar's synth compositions, please bring up this matter to GOD and ask for remedies to see if the disaster can be stopped, the rest continue listening.

I heard the following albums recently:
Om Shanti
Bhagyada Balegara
Suryakanthi
Kannukkulle
Mallleppoovu (Actually saw the movie)

None of it is "stand-out" IR, I am not sure if any other MD had scored it, I would have even bothered to store the songs in my hard drive.
Of all the non biggies this year, only Valmiki was very good. Didnt hear Jaganmohini.

If I say this, does it mean 2012 is near? It is just my preference.

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Originally Posted by Plum

I heard the following albums recently:
Om Shanti
Bhagyada Balegara
Suryakanthi
Kannukkulle
Mallleppoovu (Actually saw the movie)

None of it is "stand-out" IR, I am not sure if any other MD had scored it, I would have even bothered to store the songs in my hard drive.
Of all the non biggies this year, only Valmiki was very good. Didnt hear Jaganmohini.

If I say this, does it mean 2012 is near? It is just my preference.

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Nothing wrong with preferences, even i have selective preferences of thalaivar's music, but the posts just above you seem to have pushed their preferences as a viewpoint of showing their disappointment that thalaivar is not composing according to their expectations and from the way the posts are structured make it sound like 2012 is already here. Although it is not a new occurence it has exceeded past two pages and it is getting on my nerves.

The simple reply to people with such questionable posts is bring it up to the man himself, ask him why he "composes" like that, why use synth instead of live recording and why there is no "life" in his compositions. I have already mentioned before that if you dunt like his albums you dunt have to post it here. It is better than trying to engage us other fans into unnecessary arguments.

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Originally Posted by Plum

I heard the following albums recently:
Om Shanti
Bhagyada Balegara
Suryakanthi
Kannukkulle
Mallleppoovu (Actually saw the movie)

None of it is "stand-out" IR, I am not sure if any other MD had scored it, I would have even bothered to store the songs in my hard drive.
Of all the non biggies this year, only Valmiki was very good. Didnt hear Jaganmohini.

If I say this, does it mean 2012 is near? It is just my preference.

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<ala gounder>
Idhaanyaa ungalukkundaana ketta pazhakkam.
</ala gounder>
As hulkster says, and what I have reiterated, Raaja is right now trying to battle the synth beast and bring it under his control. now Isaac Asimov says in his Foundation series that man made sound will die out in the future and looks like he might be right. Current generation wants to hear sounds that it hasnt heard before and only a synth instrument can quench its thirst. Raaja , if you carefully observe his experiments in recent albums and Chal Chalein in particular has been trying to have his signatures like counterpoints (vocal and instrumental) and raaga - harmony layering and handshakes intact even in the digital music - It is very difficult because the sound mixing to achieve that complex composition in purely computer generated music is very very difficult. IT happens naturally in man made music in a good soundproof auditorium or chamber. I really pity ppl who term Om Shanti is a washout for you havent heard it well enough number of times. It is replete with goodies that Raaja gave us in the 80s and it takes adjusting to. If you cant then you are the loser. Raaja has never come running behind the audience. and he never will. Right now he is fighting the practicality of the need to have synthesized music and yet have his signature and all that I, as a fan can do is to show patience and that too in this oasis year of 2009.

As far as mohanraja and ezy's comments go, I just told ezy that bringing in another composer in to raaja discussion will only side track useful discussion and seriously it is not a mature thing to do. Neither I am a moderator nor am I in a position to influence anyone. Just a guy in 30s telling youngsters in the street not to get into that fight for that will only leave you bitter in the end, the 'same blood' type of feeling I had when I indulged in such fights.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

I really pity ppl who term Om Shanti is a washout for you havent heard it well enough number of times. It is replete with goodies that Raaja gave us in the 80s and it takes adjusting to. If you cant then you are the loser. Raaja has never come running behind the audience. and he never will. Right now he is fighting the practicality of the need to have synthesized music and yet have his signature and all that I, as a fan can do is to show patience and that too in this oasis year of 2009.

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Btw, for records sake - by "Om Shanti", i mean the song "Om Shanti" in that album, and not the whole album :) I loved Chinna Polike (i would still not give it 10/10,bcoz of that male singer, but anyways) and have been enjoying Flying on the Moon(though this song's instrumentation has a mix of actual IR and some newbie composer).

jai, I dont know - never found it easy to appreciate music that 'grows on you'. You know what I mean. That's the last thing I'd associate with Raja. avLO dhAn

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Originally Posted by Plum

jai, I dont know - never found it easy to appreciate music that 'grows on you'. You know what I mean. That's the last thing I'd associate with Raja. avLO dhAn

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I think the days of spontaneous music combustion are over.
Our minds have gotten 'over analytical and critical' over the years and frankly the 'blogger-critic' in everyone of us has outgrown the simple music lover in us.

When we hear an exciting music, we immediately start 'googling' the music references and start documenting our newly googled music knowledge and filling up our blogs with micro blogs, milliblogs , centi blogs, decablogs and what not.

Raaja's golden music period is rooted to the simple old days when you could simply appreciate the texturing, interplay of musical instruments and simplicity of tune and 'hummability' and whoa u had a great hit on your hands. Nowadays - a simple tune is dismissed as a simple tune and a non-tune is simply glorified and worshipped for its dazzling array of 'sounds' and 'eclectic' assembly of international influences. It is not just that Raaja is anachronistic, the whole music scene is anachronistic and illogical. If Raaja himself meddles in this mindless madness, then we can only understand it as being a last ditch efforts to bridge the simple days of MSV and KVM where a great song is constructed so simply over chats and playful banters and the current day when the tune is done in seconds and the digital embellishments take forever and the whole thing looks like consummation of infertile individuals.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

eh? i think raaja too has used "pre-constructed" samples.....so, raaja too comes into the territory of "others" in this arguement......but why do you need to compare MDs on basis of loops-usage? im sure a MD who relies completely on loops has a bad taste for arranging those loops too......i think its pretty obvious - difference betn a talented guy like yuvan and a loops-assembler like himesh isnt it?

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Maddy,

As I said, Raja seems to be a 'predominantly' for composing everything himself. If he does use 'pre-constructed' samples in his songs, those songs can easily be compared with other MDs do. So no issues there. And no issues about some using / selecting loops much better than others. The issue is how to you compare composers when some construct everything by themselves and others who use 'pre-constructed' loops.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

suresh, i get where u r "getting at" :D .......i dont understand how the purpose of crediting musicians and crediting loops-sources is "same".......if you understand how our industry works then "crediting musicians" is the primary step in direction of copyrights.....loops-source hmmm it could be a common source like the ones that come with Apple logic pro s/w (or something similar) - i dont understand why we need to credit Microsoft whenever we develop a program in VisualC++ , we have already paid for the license rite ?? what i meant, there mite not be a specific person behind composing loops, it could be a company or orgnisation which requires only fees and not credits

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I don't buy your argument here. As Ananth says, if you use VC++ to create your own code that is very different from using some Open Source / already coded modules. And I am not talking about crediting a person or company. My crib is that nowadays I do not know what the music director has composed and what he has 'selected'. If people make it clear as to which parts were not done by them, then it becomes easy for us to assess the music director. (All MDs included here.) I say this because there have been quite a few times when I impressed by some parts of certain songs only to later find out those were not composed by the concerned music director. And that is a letdown.