nanRi, baroque & al_gates!
We have one more song from KP (for today) and this was the one with some decent picturization.
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nanRi, baroque & al_gates!
We have one more song from KP (for today) and this was the one with some decent picturization.
#255 புறாக்களே புறாக்களே
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , சித்ராவுடன்)
After three duets with SJ, this one with KSC. I'm giving this song "benefit of doubt" w.r.t the hit status at the time of arrival. Though I simply don't remember hearing this song at all along with my countless listens of other KP songs under various settings (not even there with my chithi's recordings), going by the web presence of this number / youtube etc, I assume this had decent response at the time of arrival. Since I wasn't in TN, cannot say for sure and that's why the benefit of doubt.
However, when I watched this movie, this song instantly attracted me (both musically and for an OK picturization - like an oasis in that desert of a movie). However, I don't remember much about the scene now - Kamal, Radha, possibly some foreign country (or some northie city) and a gumbal of kabooththars + some lush green. Will try to look at the youtube this evening for memory refresh & will also post the link if its worthy in the overall scheme of things (and not just within the KP context). Listening to this song is a really pleasant experience in any case, especially the saraNams and interludes (weak pallavi IMO, possibly simple pallavees were insisted upon by the director for the sake of masses... but the same director got those awesome thanga magan songs & sOlaippoovil mAlaiththendRal only a few years back).
Going by this tfmpage thread it's possible that this song was not in one version of LP record and hence missed out by many recording centers. Which could explain why I didn't get to hear every time someone buscasted the KP songs. In any case, a great relief to listen to songs like this in these days of kolaveRi!
BTW, this is the post in that old thread :
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Originally Posted by Joseph Irudhayaraj
To add to vinatha's list an interestingly energetic "pookaLaththaan parikkaadheenga"..
but let's stop it here and let the Raja - SP discussions continue..
If possible let us move it into a relevant thread for the thannambikkai thamizhan VTR.
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App,Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
You have got some excellent memory. :D ---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhS9MoHk_8---. Somehow the song looks pale now. At-least through these songs, we can be very happy how far Maestro has come and delivered in millenniums and in 2010s, beating the 80's.
veettula daily kEkkuRa vachanam : "vara vara ungaLukku romba gnAbaka maRadhi Ayittirukku" :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
nanRi for boosting my morale :-)
#256 ஹே ராஜா, ஒன்றானோம் இன்று
(ஜல்லிக்கட்டு, 1987 , மனோவுடன்)
Murali sir's first post in the NT thread of TF section (Part 1) gives this interesting tidbit - that MGR attended the 100th day function of this Sivaji movie in the same month of his death (Dec 1987). I'm not sure about my memory but somewhere in the hub I read that MGR kissed NT's cheek on this occasion and MN Nambiar immediately demanded (jocularly) that he should get one too :-) The successful Manivannan movie had Sivaji acting with Sathyaraj (& possibly SPB sings for Sivaji in this song while Mano gives voice for Satyaraj). Radha danced for the second version of 'dAs dAs chinnappa dAs dAs' (same tune as the small BGM song of kadalOrakkavidhakal, starts as 'kaththichchaNdai pOdamalE' sung by KSC) and there is a MV song for NT 'Eriyil oru Odam'.
I did watch this movie when released, in Palakkad. I'm not quite sure whether the following phenomenon happened on that particular night but it definitely happened on a number of occasions: That of having to buy a ready-made shirt after deciding to watch a movie by peer-pressure (i.e. as an alternative to go to the room & wash a shirt for wearing to work the next day :lol2:). There was this 'Milan Dresses' in the Sultanpet junction of Palakkad - a brightly lit store on the opposite side of "Elite restaurant" (that we talked about in the discussion of meeNdum OT songs) where I did this "shirt-buying-to-watch-movie" thing on a few occasions.
I remember liking portions of the movie (I think NT retires as a judge but takes up the assignment of confining Sathyaraj to an island) but didn't like it enough to revisit / remember scenes / dialogues etc and have favourite parts to recall. The music album can also be called as one of the "average" albums of TFM (and by rAsA standards definitely below-average album, with Mano doing that kAdhal kiLiyE kAdhal kiLiyE song). Typically, after watching an IR movie, one song or two gets muNumuNuththufied for at least a week - even if I had not heard them before. In the case of jallikkattu, it was 'kaththichchaNdai pOdAmalE' and that tells the overall quality of the songs.
yeah... no songs for tea shops or buses to blast from this album.
I think KAADHAL KILIYE.... Mano with Janu was heard during that time.:)
I am listening from my oriental cd.
JALLIKKATTU is along with PAATTUKKU ORU THALAIVAN.
In Paattukku oru thalaivan too, Mano's ninaiththadhu yaaro..... with Jikki is popular than the other duet by Bala.
Vinatha.
More than anything, app, I thank you for the link to Murali-sir's first post. Did you read the Deiva Magan scene Murali-sir wrote? Wow, like revisiting that scene, I can go on rereading Murali-sir's writing.
Anyway, I wonder if Mano and SPB had sang together again after this under IR's music. I think this is the only time.
Well said grouch! Thanks a lot App. Just now read Murali sir write-up on Deiva Magan. He literally brought NT(s) in front of us by his thorough writing skills. :notworthy: We can feel, how much he must have enjoyed that film, moment by moment. Sadly, I only have childhood memories of that film watching it on Doordharshan. Murali sir's write-up tempts me to watch now. Thank you sir. Will be watching very soon.
BTW, grouch, you avatar is truly divine. I like his chubby smiling face with that hair-style very much.
V_S, ellAm pugazhum NT-thirkkE.
Just to not run away from the thread's nOkkam. Jallikattu is actually a very enjoyable film, with SR coming in with his previous avatars (chinnappadas, half-boil Arumugam). NT almost like what if Barrister Rajinikanth lived on to become a judge and have mellowed down. If I am not mistaken VV Sundaram was involved in the script. Can't find any evidence to that.
pala muRai rasiththu padiththirukkiREn :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
(padam pArththadhillai :oops:)
BTW, nanRi for additional info on jallikkattu :-)
nanRi V_Sji!
By the way, you have some 'pazhaiya bAkki' in this thread :-)
:lol: I am still simultaneously working on two songs one for Raja duet thread and 'Ilanjcholai'. Please give me some more time. Also, you might have noticed, my thoughts on the songs will be more on the emotional/nature based on what I perceive on Maestro's orchestration, rather more on the technical side, if that is acceptable, as I don't qualify there, yet.
I had the same thoughts around that time, but after several years, one fine day I heard this again on car stereo during one of my india trips and since then I'm hooked. Man, how such unexpected listens in coffee shops or radio can grab your liking..! Really cherish those moments..!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
In the movie, the song starts when judge Sivaji decides to mentor criminal satyaraj to settle scores. He says something like gurushethram, kannan, therOtti, arjunan and geetha upadhesam.. (you can imagine) And the camera zooms in on a miniaturized chariot.. Romba carebul-a gavanichaa, camera angle would've brought the chariot into the screen already when sivaji is lecturing. direction.. direction..
Ok.. as the camera zooms on the chariot, the song starts with the prelude.. the beats is actually like a chariot running. It's the main motif and comes through out the song. A trumpet lead takes it to the pallavi. The pallavi is quite simple ( but in picturisation you can see things like: 'nadakkum nadayile irul vilagudhu..' shows the legs of the actors and shadows fading.. :D ). The first interlude starts very interestingly but spoilt by the lousy humming - off key (who is the singer??). It's the charanam that brings us really into the music and mood. The charanam tune is really a take off on the chariot-running rhythm motif. Watch how the pattern is built up slowly and taken to a wonderful culmination.. and smoothly blends into with the pallavi. I never get tired of this part. Trademark IR! Probably he composed it just-like-that. But this is really the most beautiful part of the whole song.
Second interlude starts with a beatutiful piano piece and then you have strings, etc joining - typical IR orchestration. Fortunately no humming here. 2nd charanam comes then. Again the same build-up on the rhythm pattern and crescendo, .. and leading to the pallavi again. I love this whole damn part :)
Basically the song is rather routine and a cakewalk for the stalwarts involved - be it singers spb,mano - actors NT, SR - or IR. Lyricist kekkave venaam. Just stuffing words into the tune: ondraanOm, rendaanom, moondraanom.. kai sernthathu, kaal thadukkiyadhu, etc. Not even one word about upadhesam - even though the picturisation shows it. It's the charanams that give life to the song..!
Rakesh anna
Sadly yes, :sigh2: they have sung quite a few songs under IR, some in eraly 90's for some Sathyaraj movie, some thing along the lines of "Ganapthy" ..... I think the movie had Sathyraj/ Rehman and Kasturi :roll:
ungaLukku illAdhadhA?Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
dhArALamA eduththukkunga, engaLukku kooduthal 'vatti' kidaikkum - neenga bank mAthiri :-)
Exactly, varshA v/s bucket kuLiyal :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by RR
Excellent post / analysis on the song, I admit never giving this close a listen to the number :oops:
Reading your post enhanced my listen of 'rAja rAja chOzhan nAn' during the morning drive. The first pallavi has underwhelmed me on occasions (despite KJY, nice prelude etc - may be because in the back of the mind comparing the great 'en iniya pon nilAVe') but the spirit typically soars once the goose bumpy first interlude plays and it only gets better with the great saraNams. Now, the end of saraNam and entry back to pallavi is typical rAsA fashion and the song gives a consummate feel.
Taking a leaf out of the writings of V_S, I felt that rAsA possibly had ponni nathi in mind while constructing this song that has ponniyin selvan in the pallavi. The first interlude is like hogEnakkal phase, saraNams are like the Mettur / Bhavani / Erode phase, the guitar stuffed second interlude reminds Trichy area and the final pallavi (where strings are added) reminds the delta area :-) enna oru flow!
I love these lines by Vali (which happens to have my favourite part of the melody / drums combo - dance worthy):
வில்லோடு அம்பு ரெண்டு கொல்லாமல் கொல்லுதே
பெண்பாவை கண்கள் என்று பொய் சொல்லுதே
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Originally Posted by RR
Just for some fun
http://tfmpage.com/forum/15568.7398.23.43.08.html :lol2:
Thanks Rakesh, V_S and app for the compliments.
Nice write up RR.
Regards
#257 மலையோரம் வீசும் காற்று
(பாடு நிலாவே , 1987 )
What a sweet melodious song, sung nicely by our man! IR keeps the orchestration soft - to suit the mildly pathos mood and the song is quite haunting. During the time of its arrival, I didn't even remember the movie's name after getting it recorded on a Sony EF60 cassette. It soothed many a night - listening on headphones during the bed time was such a nice feel! A regular on buses too and I never knew who were the faces on screen. Recently, when trying to get the youtube of 'malaiyOram mayilE, veLaiyAdum kuyilE' for my wife, I stumbled upon the video of this - an outdated Mohan doing his stock expressions / gestures. It was dismal and I think Nathiya also happens to be on the screen (not very sure). Now I know the movie's name - the Mu.Mehta line from the mAn-thEn movie :wink:
By this time, I've changed a couple of rooms and ended in the biggest room of the 'Fort view' lodge - a bachelor accommodation place - that had the view of the Tippu's fort in Palakkad and was next door to the 2nd best hotel in that town during those days - Fort Palace Hotel - that had nice rooms, beautiful lawn service, fantastic restaurant & a separate, loud bar. 2 years into the job, I was still a teeto and there had been a number of bachelor parties during this time period and me & my college mate had to undergo the teasing as 'soup ghOshti' during every one of them. Interestingly, my room mate - a senior by 5 years - was not in town most of the time (travel job) and I had that huge room all for myself, apart from the many SS / IW novels he had (buys them to read in hotels during his travels) and the 200+W PMPO music system with dual cassettes, 5 band graphic equalizer etc :-)
He was a fan of TR's music and had almost all his albums & that's how I kept in touch with his scores even while away from TN - it was extremely enjoyable to play 'rAkkOzhi koovaiyilE' & 'indha malliga manasa' on that system! My cassettes get played too but not so much when he was around (as he wanted thALakkozhuppu stuff and mine were mostly 'EdhEdhO eNNam vaLarththEn', 'malaiyOram veesum kARRu', 'sheNbagamE' kinds). It was nice anyways whenever he was around and he was a fan of the "Nalantha" restaurant (what a nice name) and I became a regular there as well. This restaurant used to play TFM some times, Ayyappan songs during the season (that sounded more cinematic than even TFM) and some MFM hits.
Around this time, there was another shift in my musical leanings - though rAsA songs were still the #1 preference, like the way I developed a taste for MJ during college days, started to listen to a lot of recent MFM. I should say it was a glorious period for both movies & music for MF. I even had a whole 90 min cassette recorded with MF songs - including sAgarangaLE, Ah rAthri mAnjju pOyi, vaishAka sandhyE, manjal prasAdavum, neerAduvAn, Araiyum bhAva gAyakanAkkum. Actually, such songs occupied most of my (already limited) available time of music listening. I had HTNI echo cassette in which only two tracks were liked & listened (the title one and the flute based 'do anything') and at that time the quality of echo cassettes was so poor that one cannot use the walkman without a screw driver around (to adjust the head and get sound on both ears).
Looking back, I remember also feeling a little low / gloomy whenever I think of my rAsA listening choices during this time period - already dull 110 V kind of voltage, very tired after long work hours, heavy rain for months etc...'malaiyOram veesum kARRu' kinds only added to it. Well, it was way different from the bright days of school!
That was an Excellent write-up App :clap: Nice to hear about your room-mate and his stereo system. The prelude strings feels somewhat exactly like our heart strings. How in the world he creates those sounds close to nature and humans. Going to listen those malayalam songs also that you enjoyed. Please pm me more or in Malayalam songs thread, please.
RR, Excellent write-up on Hey Raja.:clap: Spot on the portions at the end of charanam (Naanum neeyum ethu pirivinai bedham illai manakkavalai) where they both sing together, the tune there was ultimate.
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It's the charanam that brings us really into the music and mood. The charanam tune is really a take off on the chariot-running rhythm motif. Watch how the pattern is built up slowly and taken to a wonderful culmination.. and smoothly blends into with the pallavi. I never get tired of this part. Trademark IR! Probably he composed it just-like-that. But this is really the most beautiful part of the whole song
nanRi, V_S-ji!
:rotfl2: (Please ask Plum why I'm laughing :wink:)Quote:
Please pm me
sArE, idhu palakAram vakai thAnE, (maRRa) palAna kAram illaiyE :lol2:
So,
dhayavAyi ivide nOkku
wasn't there a song called MalaiyOram veesum kaatrU by SPB ??? was it from the same movie ?
yOv, did you read my post? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
We are talking about that song only :-)
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Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Thanks to some *serious* WFH yesterday was able to finish reading almost a month of posts. With playing the songs in the background of course. Great job app saar. Really sad that the series is going to get over soon :-(
MalaiyOram veesum kaaththu - One of my favoritest songs. Raja makes us cry with the acoustic guitar. Love the charanams. The melody moves at jet speed for such a sad song :bow:
Oh :oops: I got the song name and film name mixed up! :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
True.. :lol: I got fed up and went full into recoding onto sony cassettes. This is another great exprience. I'll be choosy and pick songs carefully and submit. The guy will ask me to come in a week's time. When you wait, wait and finally go back after a week, I don't know how he'll recognize, he'll be halfway recording it.. This is definitely more often than not.. You can listen your selections as you get near the shop. The first 2 times you wondr, then you are always expecting it. As I enter the shop, he'll be so busy and won't even notice you or say anything.. until asked 'eppo mudiyunga'.. The reply will be instant without even throwing a glance at you.. '30 nimisham' as though he has rehearsed it so much.. you don't care, listening to the songs is all on your mind now.. We go so eagerly and slot it into the player and keep your eyes and ears on the system. You'll be relishing it so much but there's always a show stopper - the guy would've recorded the wrong song, e.g. we wanted the spb version and clearly mentioned it, but he will make sure the wrong version is there. If you mention 'ninaithaal inikkum' song, you can be sure he'll randomly pick a song from the movie. Those were some days..!! There was one famous shop in ranganathan street, he'll often put in nice fillers at the side end, e.g. punnagai mannan theme. I wonder if he is still there..Quote:
at that time the quality of echo cassettes was so poor that one cannot use the walkman without a screw driver around (to adjust the head and get sound on both ears).
nanRi, Nerd for the encouragement!
Yes, starting from 1987, I'm seeing a drastic reduction in numbers of SPB/IR TF hit songs and this series may end sooner than I originally thought. Still, not too soon - hopefully, we'll have enough to complete one year of this "dhinathanthi kanniththeevu sindhubAd" like series :lol2:
Nice recall of the 'typical behavioural pattern' of the recording centers, RR sir!
Me too had that 'wrong version of song' experience many times and got annoyed...
Unlike you people in big cities, it wasn't easy for us to get Sony / TDKs always (no burmA or chinA bajAr in Palakkad)...so, at times I had to settle for MELTRACK (Murugappa Electronics brand cassettes) and those had their own quality issues :-(
#258 பாடுங்கள், பாட்டுப்பாடுங்கள்
(பாடு நிலாவே, 1987 , சித்ராவுடன்)
I remember listening to this sweet number on a number of occasions in the bus and assume this was reasonably known inside TN / had air time etc, even though the movie wasn't a big hit or the songs weren't extremely popular. I didn't have it on cassette either but can instantly recognize the number when I saw it first on thiraippAdal. So, decided to include in this series. I'm not going to do that with another number from the same movie , vA veLiyE by SPB/KSC (kEttadhE illai). This has KSC in decent form and the entry of SPB into the song enlivens up much better as well. The mild semi-classical flavour helps the song big time and no one can do better than KSC in such songs IMO. She has really excelled right from the sindhu bhairavi days!
Another person who can sing with equal precision in such songs is obviously VJ. However, with KSC, IMO, most emotions are painted accurately (unlike VJ teacharammA) that makes it very pleasurable to listen to the songs (and not appreciate just the "parameters"). As I mentioned in my post on malaiyOram veesum kARRu, this was the time period when my listening got diversified to MFM and > 50% of my listening was KSC songs (TFM or MFM or Malayalam laLitha gAnangaL). I'm not very sure about the timing of the 'ente vAnampAdi' album (must be between 1986-89, even though many websites wrongly talk about this album as a 1993-er - may be that was the year when this was available on CD but I've never seen the CD and only know by cassette. I remember posting about the 'poonguruvi nee' song from this album in one of the hub threads and how I used to have the habit of gifting this cassette to many TN friends during those bachelor days. I simply love all the songs!
It was also possibly around the same time I had this Malaysia Vasudevan's non-film disco album (with the title Disco Disco ) which only recently I came to know that had ARR's hand in it:-) I loved that 'poovE poovE vandhAl pOdhum, nee thAnE dhEvadhai' song so much.
Per the wikipedia link, this was the first album production of ARR and I was one of the few privileged ones to have it :
So, this was a time period when my music listening was getting varied. I'll talk about the most significant of them when we discuss the next album :-)Quote:
He has also lended voice for a few albums, the most notable among them is Disco Disco (1987), a collaboration with composer Dilip (A. R. Rahman) and playback singer K. S. Chithra. The album is noted for being the first album production of A. R. Rahman.[2] Though it didn't become much popular, Disco Disco Vol 2 was also released later.
Ha ha I know what it is app - QSQT and indhi songs kEttu tamizh dhrogi Ana kadhai :lol:. Something that led you down the path of treasuring Kumar Sanu songs eventually...luckily, en agaraadhila mannippungara vaarthai irukku unlike Vijayakanth's dictionary :)
vA veLiyE by SPB/KSC (kEttadhE illai).:roll:
wonderful Subha Panthuvarali aalap, :musicsmile:it was popular during late 80s, my sandhu / school/college tea shop fellows have played.
treat yourself.
drama of percussion changes, it is a fantastic song.
illeeng sArE :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The QSQT etc happened in 90's...we're still in 80's, so this is a different one :-)
Yes, I enjoyed the song listening from web but never heard it before :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
மலையோரம் வீசும் காற்று...ரம்மியமான பாடல் அமைப்பில் ஒரு சோக கீதம்.
இதே தாளக்கட்டில், ராகத்தில் ஒரு காதல் டூயட் இருந்திருந்தால் கூட அதுவும் இதுபோலவே சிறப்பாக அமைந்திருக்கும்.
:)
QSQT, MPK etc...
Nation under Khans attack in just a year...1988, 89.
girls ellam khans fever,
boys ellam steffi graf fever:-D
later sharukh with Baazigar joined with high energy by mid 90s
vinatha
could have been, but I got "involved" with those only in 1990 :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
oh... you were graf crushie :-D then
+1 . That was surely those days trend for young lads in madras/cities. Some crazies even sat thru back-to-back QSQT sessions in safire. Still remember relishing anand-milind melodies + udit + alkaQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Folks
I watched "Kizhaku vasal" recently! What a film, Great stuff by Karthik, excellent songs by IR + SPB combo!
You can't beat "Pacha mala poovu" .
When was the film released? Kushboo looked really beautiful in this film :lol2: