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Dear Bis_Mala
Thanks a lot for the explanation.Actually, there is supposed to be a pre-Kamba ramayanam in Tamil which was supposed to be very old.Parts of this are put in Project Madurai by one Mr.Chadrasekharan. Even purananooru uses the word 'rama'.This probably means Rishi Valmiki might have composed ramayanam in Thamizh and also later in sanskrit!!!
Grateful viggop!
Best regards to you.
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Å¡ø vaal = àö¨Á. purity. (vaal has other meanings too. not relevant)
Å¡ÄÈ¢Åý ¿üÈ¡û ¦¾¡Æ¡÷ ±É¢ý. (ÌÈû).
vAlaRivan n-aRRAL thozAr enin. (kuRaL).
val Åø = ÅÄ¢¨Á, strength.
Å¡ø + Á¢Ì+ þ = Å¡øÁ¢¸¢. (àö¨Á Á¢ì¸Å÷).
Åø + Á¢Ì + þ = ÅøÁ¢¸¢ corrupted to Å¡øÁ¢¸¢ = ÅÄ¢¨Á Á¢ì¸Å÷.
þÕû¾£÷ó¾¡÷ = ÓÉ¢Å÷. þÕû§º÷ þÕÅ¢¨ÉÔõ §ºÃ¡¾Å÷, ¦ÅýÈÅ÷.
þÕû¾£÷ó¾¡÷ > þÕû¾£÷ > þÕË÷ > þÕÊ.
û + ¾£ = Ë ( according to grammar ).
þÕÊ > þÕ„¢ > â„¢.
irudi > irushi > rishi.
þí¸¢ÕôÀÐ "þÐ" «øÄÐ þí¸¢ÕôÀ¨Å : " þ¨Å".
þÐ ±ýÈ ¾Á¢ú¡ø. ÁÄ¡ö¦Á¡Æ¢Â¢ø "þòÐ" (itu) ±ýÚ ÅÆí̸¢ÈÐ.
Á¢¸ô ÀÆí¸¡Äò¾¢ø þíÌ þÐ ±ýÀÅüÚìÌ §ÅÚÀ¡Î¸û þø¨Ä.
þÐ > º¢ò¾¡ù. (º£É¦Á¡Æ¢) þò > º¢ò. = means here.
þ > †¢ > ¬í¸¢Ä¦Á¡Æ¢. here.
þ > º¢òÐ (þí§¸) ÁÄ¡ö¦Á¡Æ¢. situ.
¾Á¢úî Í𦼡Ģ¸û ¯Ä¸ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢ý ±í¹Éõ ¾¢Ã¢ó¾É ±ýÀÐ ¬ö×ìÌâ Ţ¼ÂÁ¡Ìõ.
þÐ ¿¢ü¸, þ¾Ã ±ýÈ ¦º¡ø ¾Á¢Æ¢ø ÅÆí̸¢ÈÐ. þÐ ±í¹Éõ «¨Áó¾Ð?
þÐ + «È = þ¾È > þ¾Ã.
þÐ «øÄ¡Áø, þÐ ¾Å¢Ã ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû. «ôÀÊ¡ɡø "ÁüȨÅ" ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû.
þ¾Ã ±ýÈ ¾¢Ã¢Òî ¦º¡øÄ¢ø ¯ûÇ «·È¢¨½ Ţ̾¢ÀüȢ ¯½÷× Á¨È§Å, «î¦º¡ø Á¡ó¾¨Éì ÌÈ¢ì¸×õ ÀÂýÀð¼Ð.
¯¾¡¸Ã½Á¡¸, "þ¾Ã Á¡¾Õ¼ý ¿£ ¸Ç¢ì¸§Å¡" ±ýÈ Å¡ì¸¢Âò¾¢¨É §¿¡ì¸×õ.
ingkiruppathu "ithu" allathu ingkiruppavai : " ivai".
ithu enRa thamizssol. malAymoziyil "iththu" (itu) enRu vazangkukiRathu.
mikap pazangkAlaththil ingku ithu enpavaRRukku vERupAdukaL illai.
ithu > siththAv. (sInamozi) ith > sith. = means here.
i > hi > Angkilamozi. here
i > siththu (ingkE) malAymozi. situ - here in Malay.
thamizs suddolikaL ulaka mozikaLin engnganam thirin-thana enpathu Ayvukkuriya vidayamAkum.
ithu n-iRka, ithara enRa sol thamizil vazangkukiRathu. ithu engnganam amain-thathu?
ithu + aRa = ithaRa > ithara.
ithu allAmal, ithu thavira enRu poruL. appadiyAnAl "maRRavai" enRu poruL.
ithara enRa thiripus sollil uLLa aqRiNai vikuthipaRRiya uNarvu maRaiyavE, assol mAn-thanaik kuRikkavum payanpaddathu.
uthAkaraNamAka, "ithara mAtharudan n-I kaLikkavO"" enRa vAkkiyaththinai n-Okkavum.
Do not worry about ra>Ra difference. Historically it was ignored for sometime (stone inscriptions evidence).
Ra is actually a double ra written together with a tail hanging down. Also see how Ra occurs in MalayaLam. Ezuththachchan must have realised this clearly.
Note: It is usual for words to acquire a consonant or lose one when they travel from one language to another and from this side of the border to the other. Example:
chinthu (Tamil/ Northern Dravidian) > hinthu (Hindu)(Iranian) > Hindu > þóÐ (¾Á¢ú)
in-thu (thamiz)
This has been explained by others in Is Tamil derived from Skrt thread. The same rule applies to the words of other languages given in the above post, which are compared to Tamil words.
I want to know the root of 'Subramanyan'.This is another name for Lord Murugan kept only by Tamils.
Dear viggop,
subramaniam
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Í -- ͨ¾ (Tamiz) Íñ½¡õÒ, À¡ø, mortar (¦Åñ¨Á ¿¢Èõ).
Í -- Íò¾õ (white signifies cleanliness )
Í -- Í츢Äõ Skrt. (white) (usage: skrt: Íì¸¢Ä Àðºõ, Í츢Äõ(semen)
ÍôÀ¢Ãͨ¾ - ¸¡ð¦¼Õ¨Áô À¡ø ( ¦Åñ¨Á).
ÍôÀ¢Ãõ - ¦Åñ¨Á, ´Ç¢.
From the above, we have to bear in mind that chu (Í) refers to white or whiteness and purity.
Íñ rootword of Íñ½¡õÒ.
Íñ½õ
Íñ½¡õÒ
Íñ > ÍðÒ (Íñ, + Ò suffix) > ÍôÒ. = white.
ÍôÒ + þÕ + «õ = ÍôÀ¢Ãõ something in which whiteness and/ or purity resides. immaculate! ÍôÀ¢ÃÁïºõ = clean bed, probably of clean white spread.
ÍôÒ(Tamiz) > ÍôÒ subbu (skrt) > subra (skrt).
maNi - Á½¢ = (something pure and precious, e.g. a gem )
subramaNiam - a pure and precious (divine) entity.
Íñ > Í used as prefix in many words denoting purity.
Please note that (sivaththal),* sivappu is pronounced colloquially as suvappu and su Í can also mean redness. According to some researchers, su preceded si in development. Thus it can variously be interpreted that suppu refers to the red deity or ¦ºù§Åû. Either way, chu is the root word and is Tamil.
subramaniam
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The last -am is suffix. Dont' bother about it.
su -- suthai (Tamiz) suNNAmpu, pAl, mortar (veNmai n-iRam).
su -- suththam (white signifies cleanliness )
su -- sukkilam Skrt. (white) (usage: skrt: sukkila padsam, sukkilam(semen)
suppirasuthai - kAdderumaip pAl ( veNmai).
suppiram - veNmai, oLi.
From the above, we have to bear in mind that chu (su) refers to white or whiteness and purity.
suN rootword of suNNAmpu.
suNNam
suNNAmpu
suN > sudpu (suN, + pu suffix) > suppu. = white.
suppu + iru + am = suppiram something in which whiteness and/ or purity resides. immaculate! suppiramanjsam = clean bed, probably of clean white spread.
suppu(Tamiz) > suppu subbu (skrt) > subra (skrt).
maNi - maNi = (something pure and precious, e.g. a gem )
subramaNiam - a pure and precious (divine) entity.
suN > su used as prefix in many words denoting purity..
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suN > su used as prefix in many words denoting purity..
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like suprabhatham
supraja(kausalya supraja rama) --- good/pure son
yes! good.Quote:
like suprabhatham
supraja(kausalya supraja rama) --- good/pure son
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praja
This word is from Tamil piRa = be born.
The word praja is forged by simply adding the ending -jaa or -ja to the Tamil word. (dropping the intermediate "i" so routine in Ta > Skrt )
The evidence points to Tamil being extensively used in the making of Sanskrit!!
Consider the word praja in all its Sanskrit connotations.
procreation , propagation , birth offspring , children , family , race , posterity , descendants , aftergrowth (of plants) , a creature , animal , man , mankind ; people , subjects (of a prince) ; seed , semen
All these meanings of the word praja are still relevant to Tamil root word: piRa.
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The evidence points to Tamil being extensively used in the making of Sanskrit!!
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It could be Tamilians who actually created sanskrit to communicate with North Indian people.
And it was not understood, at all, by those in the north, either.. Ha, what a waste!Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop