Blind worshipping of Thamizh cinema rasigan

Some Simple facts:

Fans alone HAVE NOT, DO NOT and CANNOT make a film a hit.
Kamal cannot do Hey Ram NOT because the fans don't want it, but rather, the general public does not want it. Some people don't know that there are quite a few FANATICS (rikshaw karan, pazha vandi kaaran, kasaappu kadai kaaran types) have watched films like Guna and Mahanadhi 30+ times (IN THEATERS, not DVDs).
Till recent times, fans could guarantee only the opening, no matter who the actor is - Rajini, Kamal, Ajith, Vijay. In today's scenario of wide releases, even the fans strength will not fill up all the theaters for the opening itself. Nowadays, the general public can go for a FDFS unlike in the past.
Its the general public who decide the fate of a film at the box office. Its always been that way

Kamal is trapped not by his fans but by the harsh realities of the market. To win a war, you might have to lose some battles. And he's doing one hell of an awesome job straddling the dichotomous divide in a tight-rope walk. He is peerless in this.


P.S: Fans did have an influence on Aandavar when they influenced him to change the title of "Drogi" to "Kurudhippunal" and also modify his character compared to the original.

but have influenced him to keep a intro song and fight in VV?
I dont dispute your facts of kasappukadai kaaran watching Guna 30 times in theatre as having been a person who has watched Guna in thatre 2 times and revisiting it on my DVD some 10 times myself.
However from 'Aval Appadithaan' to his recent films, his market clout and 'influence' has increased upwards and this means that he cantry out something new right - something better than 'Aval Appadithaan' - but touch your heart and say if such a movie has been made by him - Agreed - he is putting his money back into cinema - is it the cinema he set out to make with 'Aval Appadithaan'? there are reports how he contributed financially to the making of this movie as well as so many good ones of late 70s nd early eighties - when he did not enjoy the 'star' status.
When he acquired 'star status', fan base - a base with fans like you and me - who are ready to consume whatever he gives, while we got our 'Pushpaks' and 'Mahanadhi's they were still not enough - and why the need for grandiose projects? what happened to 'Aval Appadithaan' type of films that are relevant even now? why did they die out - because the young and talented Kamal and Rajini simply showed their backs to such projects as they would not be accepted by their ' fans ' a good sample of the paying public - isn't it - by your own admission - kasappu padaikaaran, rickshaw kaaran, software engineers and doctors - al who want to be the best in their fields, but would not appreciate if their heroes do a 'Aval appadithaan' now. If they would then by market dynamics such movies with either kamal or rajini should have happened in large numbers by now.

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

Some Simple facts:

Fans alone HAVE NOT, DO NOT and CANNOT make a film a hit.

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Sorry to disagree! But I think there are a ton of crap movies that have become huge hits or atleast mediocre hits just cos the lead actor has/had a lot of fans...

On the other hand, many "great" movies have gone without a trace just because the lead actor doesnt have enough "mass" support! :oops:

Or atleast a big difference in the revenue/profits... Fans just increase the market size quite easily!

fans can never make a movie a hit, its like, thondars can never make a party win. its general audience both ways.

if a star gives continious hits, some part of general audience too slides as his fan and watch even his crap movies. but once some movie doesnt click, they are the 1st one to pullout themselves, whereas fan will be finding hard positives and will project thr movie as a good one. thats the difference, so sometimes a general audience who has a more liking on an actor is mistaken as a fan. No. never.

whatever it is, fans never have the power to make a movie hit. its all in the hands of general audience.

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

if a star gives continious hits, some part of general audience too slides as his fan and watch even his crap movies. but once some movie doesnt click, they are the 1st one to pullout themselves, whereas fan will be finding hard positives and will project thr movie as a good one

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I guess you're proving the title of this thread! :P 8-) :P

i dont know what u mean but i gladly have posted negative news on kamal, dasa, vv or whatever. i am neutral and always ready to prove that. infact ppl like bala and DM rub with me sometimes when i said something different about kamal. a search will tell truth

at the same time, YES, I AM ONE GREAT FAN OF KAMAL HAASAN

If you feel no movie of his has bettered AA, its fine. unga karuthu (i rate AA very highly myself, one of the very best ever made).
AnA, it does not mean its been only downhill since then. Being one of the two biggest stars in the state, avar edutha muyarchigal ellam vera yarum eduthirukka mudiyadhu (of course NT apart).

"can try something new"-a? Come on, avar try pannaadhadha? And what is wrong with grandiose projects?

And avar remba naalaikkappuram ippo dhaan seriyaana paadhayil poikkondirukkiraar. Konjam porumaya irunga. Unga porumaya veen poga veikka maattaar!

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

but have influenced him to keep a intro song and fight in VV?
I dont dispute your facts of kasappukadai kaaran watching Guna 30 times in theatre as having been a person who has watched Guna in thatre 2 times and revisiting it on my DVD some 10 times myself.
However from 'Aval Appadithaan' to his recent films, his market clout and 'influence' has increased upwards and this means that he cantry out something new right - something better than 'Aval Appadithaan' - but touch your heart and say if such a movie has been made by him - Agreed - he is putting his money back into cinema - is it the cinema he set out to make with 'Aval Appadithaan'? there are reports how he contributed financially to the making of this movie as well as so many good ones of late 70s nd early eighties - when he did not enjoy the 'star' status.
When he acquired 'star status', fan base - a base with fans like you and me - who are ready to consume whatever he gives, while we got our 'Pushpaks' and 'Mahanadhi's they were still not enough - and why the need for grandiose projects? what happened to 'Aval Appadithaan' type of films that are relevant even now? why did they die out - because the young and talented Kamal and Rajini simply showed their backs to such projects as they would not be accepted by their ' fans ' a good sample of the paying public - isn't it - by your own admission - kasappu padaikaaran, rickshaw kaaran, software engineers and doctors - al who want to be the best in their fields, but would not appreciate if their heroes do a 'Aval appadithaan' now. If they would then by market dynamics such movies with either kamal or rajini should have happened in large numbers by now.

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Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea

Sorry to disagree! But I think there are a ton of crap movies that have become huge hits or atleast mediocre hits just cos the lead actor has/had a lot of fans...

On the other hand, many "great" movies have gone without a trace just because the lead actor doesnt have enough "mass" support! :oops:

Or atleast a big difference in the revenue/profits... Fans just increase the market size quite easily!

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Bay,
neenga solra maadhiri irundha oru Aalavandhaan-o, Baba-o nadandhirukkaadhu. yen indha rendu padatha solrennaa the tremendous hype and expectation these films had. After a certain level, the general fublic have to carry the film

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

However from 'Aval Appadithaan' to his recent films, his market clout and 'influence' has increased upwards and this means that he cantry out something new right - something better than 'Aval Appadithaan' - but touch your heart and say if such a movie has been made by him - Agreed - he is putting his money back into cinema - is it the cinema he set out to make with 'Aval Appadithaan'? there are reports how he contributed financially to the making of this movie as well as so many good ones of late 70s nd early eighties - when he did not enjoy the 'star' status.
When he acquired 'star status', fan base - a base with fans like you and me - who are ready to consume whatever he gives, while we got our 'Pushpaks' and 'Mahanadhi's they were still not enough - and why the need for grandiose projects? what happened to 'Aval Appadithaan' type of films that are relevant even now? why did they die out - because the young and talented Kamal and Rajini simply showed their backs to such projects as they would not be accepted by their ' fans ' a good sample of the paying public - isn't it - by your own admission - kasappu padaikaaran, rickshaw kaaran, software engineers and doctors - al who want to be the best in their fields, but would not appreciate if their heroes do a 'Aval appadithaan' now. If they would then by market dynamics such movies with either kamal or rajini should have happened in large numbers by now.

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I think you are crossing the line from objectivity to subjectivity when you say there has not been a better film than Aval Appadithan. So I won't argue on that.

If your grouse is that he fills gaps between good movies with 'commercial' ventures then I would point you to the review of 'Dark Knight' on Guardian here. Now anyone following Nolan's career graph would agree that the Dark Knight is a departure from his earlier efforts and would not be particularly relished by his fans. The last paragraph of the review says:
"..at the risk of sounding priggish, I can't help thinking it may be a bit of a career blind-alley for the talented director who gave us brilliant and disquieting movies like Following (1998) and Memento (2000), whose inventions still linger in the mind. The Dark Knight's massive box-office success has surely given Nolan the means to write his own cheque, and in addition something sweeter still - clout. I hope that he will use it to cultivate movies that are smaller and more manoeuvrable than that great armoured Batmobile."

This applies all the more to our movie industry. Inge, 'clout' sambaadhikkiradhu mattum mukkiyam illai. Adhai thakka vaithukkollavum theriya vendum. Adharkkaaga, Oru 'Hey Ram'irkkum 'Virumandi'kkum naduve Panchathandiramum PKS seivathu avasiyamaagirathu.

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Originally Posted by kannannn

Adharkkaaga, Oru 'Hey Ram'irkkum 'Virumandi'kkum naduve Panchathandiramum PKS seivathu avasiyamaagirathu.

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I slightly disagree here. Nothing "personal" against P5/PKS but i would rather he did a Dasa (or say, 1/10th of it) between a Hey Ram and Virumaandi than a P5/PKS :)

My wish is simple: Tholvi adainja Hey Ram, Mahanadhi madhiri padam pannittu thothu po, adhu actually vetri. Illai, VV/Dasa madhiri padam pannu. Not that i'm placing VV and Dasa on equal pedestals. No way!