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Thanks for sharing your experiences Jaiganesh!! You are most welcome to share more Pa!! We all have them no matter where we live in this world. I always believe that just because we cannot see certain entities, it doesn't mean that they don't exist!!
There was a good article on poltergeists in Readers Digest in one 1989 issue. The term is used mostly in England and it refers to a harmless ghost with no malicious intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
The following events also had happened in my hubby's bungalow.
Just about the time before he resigned from the estate, my hubby had a lot of disturbances - not the spiritual type but snakes!
In a span of one month only, suddenly the bungalow was infested with snakes about 30 ++. Before that nobody apparently had experienced this.
And it all started the night after this guy came over to the bungalow & helped my hubby to arrange the bungalow according to vaastu shastra! (Perhaps the vaasthu was the cause of it !?)
The first snake that hubby saw was sleeping across the doorway to his bedroom as though guarding the bedroom. It was a black cobra thicker than a man's forearm and perhaps 3-4 feet long or less.
(One of our friend told us the shorter a snake the older it is - can anyone verify?)
The snakes were just all over the places, under the bed, coiled around the staircase railing, at front door, on top of the kitchen door - u name it , they are there including outside the bungalow hanging from trees.
One isolated incident was when one cobra was found coiled under hubby's table at the estate office. By God's grace hubby did not go to office that particular morning (his job starts at 6 am when it is still dark & couldn't have seen what was under his table ). The cleaner found the cobra later that morning (about 10-12 feet long & thick).
We do not know what had caused the snakes to suddenly appear - but at that particular time, hubby was not exactly having a pleasant working environment what with the new Senior Manager who was constantly monitoring him & the increasing workload.
I do not know what the snakes symbolize - does anyone have simiar experiences?
Another thing that happened during all these trying moments hubby went through, was what I would call spiritually enhancing moments. Each time before his boss calls him to query or before a problem arises, he always gets a strong smell of cigars or cheroots (normally ppl associate this with the guardian God - Ayya/Muneeswarar).
Eg: once when he was very down, emotionally (I think the boss was extra hard on him the previous week) he was making his rounds alone on the estate grounds at about 6.30-7.00 am, he suddenly caught a whiff of cigar smell. He didn't think much of it but the smell became stronger & stronger as though someone was smoking cigar just behind him.
Surprisingly, he was not scared & after that felt much better and was back to his oldself. He thinks that Ayya (his family ishta teivam) may have made an appearance just to console him & to let him know that Ayya is with him.
Then another time, there was this quarrel among some foreign and local workers at the estate - hubby had to intervene & solve the matter. After that apparently the locals were not very happy with how hubby handled the matter & were sore at him.
A few nights later, while driving back to the bungalow, hubby had the same sensation i.e. smell of cigar but this time coupled with a strong smell of vibuthi (holy ash). He could feel himself becoming very calm & peaceful as though all the burden in his heart has been lifted off.
A few minutes later, just about to reach the corner to his place, he saw some figures in the middle of the road. Upon going nearer, he realised that they were the same local workers who were involved in the fight earlier.
At that time, hubby felt as though something was controlling him -he could sense his surroundings all right but at the same felt like somebody is leading him - like he is not in full control of himself.
He stopped the car & came out. He could see that some of the workers had some thick sticks & one a parang (long knife). He asked what they are doing there & one worker who appeared to be the leader told him taht they were no happy with preferential treatment given to the foreigners. Hubby proceeded to calm the worker and asked him to rationalize the issue & told them that nothing is going to materialise by them assaulting him.
The angry worker then started to calm down and spoke in a softer manner. After some cajoling & promise to look into the matter the workers left.
Hubby then went into his car & started home again. At this time he felt as though he just came out of a dream & realised that if only things had turned the worng way, something worse could have happened to him if the workers' anger were not appeased. After recollecting, he again felt as though Ayya or some divine power is helping him.
I have more such experineces but to be shared later ................
A ghost as brand ambassador for Mallisseri Beedi? Holy Smokes!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
:)
[just joking, dont let it stop you from writing more]
jaiganesh
I would love to see you write on contemporary issues like the indian media, indian sport, etc . Since most of the posters here reflect the indian diaspora, i have not been motivated to write on indian subjects here.
Shakti,Your experience reminds me of something.My father in law had similar experiences with snakes.He and his younger brother decided to divide the land between them after their father's death around 10 years back.My FIL was unfortunate enough to get the least developed part of the land and out of sheer necessity he was forced to cut off a huge bamboo clump which was said to be home for ''Sarpam''.This he did by inviting the local Hindu priest and asking him to remove the Sarpam in a way which is not offensive to the Gods[and not to mention,the locals who still criticise him for the decision :wink: ].The priest is said to have done this and the eye-witnesses including my wife describe the 'Sarpam' as a small,two feet long snake with the hood of a cobra and a shiny,golden or yellowish head :? .
Now comes the tragic story.Snakes were seen every where and they often ventured into the house.Every time my FIL responded by re-enforcing the stock of large canes,storing them at every conceivable place and killing the snakes whenever possible :( .This went on for years.It was 4 years back when he had a serious bite from a saw scaled viper[Called Rakthamandali,since its venom affects the circulatory system] which almost killed him :( .Doctors had given up hope and he started bleeding through even the minute pores in his body.My wife told me that blood was coming out instead of urine.Finally he came out of the Hospital after 144 days as a mental and financial wreck.The snake sightings continue even to this day.This Christmas we were there and we went to our Uncle's house just 100 mts away and I saw something distinctly in the torch light-A Russel's Viper,bigger than the largest I have seen in the Zoology lab.My father in law vows that it is not an accident and claims the snake was there on purpose :roll: .I laughed at the theory but he won't let us go anywhere after dark.
Now as someone who is much interested in snakes,I reject the theory of Snake's revenge 8) .And I will never believe there is something called 'Sarpam',as I have never come across such a species in any of the articles I have read or snake parks I have visited.I wonder if any one can explain the belief of this people on the existance of a such a snake.And for your query I have never heard that the shorter the snake the older it is.It would be like saying that Parthiv Patel is older than Zaheer Khan :lol: .
BB and Sahkti : Your posts just reminded me of something ....
I was only 11 then, my brother was 8. Dad was away from home and my mom asked an old friend of hers to send her son (abt16yrs old) to stay with us at night, as mom was pregnant.
One night, this boy (Segar), was very late. So we locked out the doors and all 3 of us got ready for bed. At abt 11pm, he came. So, I came out of the room and switched on the dining room light (usually, I'll go straight to the hall and switch on the hall lights).
As I turned and walked towards the door, I noticed something long and black at the corner of the hall, where the door was. I went nearer and suddenly, I saw the thing started to move and one end shot up....I realised then it was a snake!!! I shouted for my mom, dared not move at all!! Mom thought something happened to me, she came rushing and saw the snake.
She asked me to keep watching the snake while she went to get help. Mom asked Segar to come thru' the back door. Then, she went and called one of our neighbours for help.
Luckily, all these while, the snake stayed put..guess it must have been due to the slippery terrazoo floor. Our neighbor uncle came and with his brother's help, managed to catch the snake. Mom made it clear they should not kill the snake in the house.....though they were Chinese, they respected my pregnant mom's decision. They did not kill it in the house but took it outside and I later came to know that they killed it and threw it into the big drain across the road.
Well....mom was scared and worried that this might affect the baby and she told me that it was black cobra that came into our house...and, she also kept thanking God I switched on the dining lights that night, else..........
Fortunately, my little brother was born healthy and without any problem/complications. But, there is one unexpected thing here....
his forehead is broad, the right side is slightly raised and the hair line parts here - we used to joke saying it is "Vanenggaa mudi". The point where it raises remind one of a cobra which is ready to attack. When he was small, we noticed that his fine hair on the forehead shapes like a snake..... .. is this a silent reminder to us?? I don't know..... but I guess there is some truth in what they say about killing cobras especially when a lady in the house is pregnant...!
Blah-Blah - I sure am spooked by your tale abt the Sarbum, Pa!! Thanks for comin out of the closet at last!! :)
There's a similar Naagam pit at my in-laws compound too in Kerala!! Theirs is Tharavad land and I understand that that pit had been there for a long time! Could be even a century! (I'll confirm with hubby over this!!)
Every year my in-laws do special poojas at the Naagam pit, and they consider it as some sort of a clan guardian of course. Come to think of it, I had yet to see the snake on the number of times I had been home!! Boy, am I glad they didn't disturb it Pa!! Matter of fact, they even had it gated so as to prevent trespassers from going near!!
But I have to admit though, on my trips to the numerous Kerala temples around Malabar, I was perplexed on the obsession of Keralites for Naagam pooja! Everywhere there were temples which had pits as big as mini hillocks with people offering milk and eggs. There was one temple that raised my hackles; as I peered down the big "kolam" in the temple grounds, there were so many bags of plastic floating in it!! Initially, I thought that people were just being litter-bugs but on closer inspection????? They were actually molted snake skin!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Nirosha,Sarpakkavu's are common in Kerala.It is not strange to see snakes there too as snakes are supposed to live there and people usually leave the area undisturbed.There are many stories of 'Kavu's being destroyed for financial gains and later those who did it being subjected to a lot of misfortune.My question is specifc and is about the existence of a two feet long snake with a cobra's hood[not a cobra].My mother claims to have seen one many years ago and one person asked her not to disturb it as it was Sarpam.My mom says there was something shiny on its head too.Some people say there is a stone on its head.I would like to come across one of those as the poisonous snakes in our area are Russel's Viper,Saw scaled viper,Cobra and Crait and I am sure they are mistaking a Cobra for it.But as always people like to believe such stories.
NM, you are absolutely freaked out, relax and have a coke . Is your brother's name Nagaraj? :lol2: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by NM
What made you interpret that to be a snake and not as the hood of a peacock? Nagaraj shud have been Mayilvaganam
Nice video here :)
http://mfile.akamai.com/34/rm/covery...m?obj=dnrlv001
Walrus
[who has never seen a live snake all his life]
remind me to tell some great real life stories of snakes later in the week :)
Don't you own a mirror? :twisted: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hehehewalrus
Hi,
again I thank walrus and nirosha for encouraging words.
As far as significance of snakes in mythologies goes, except the christian mythology all ancient religions believe snakes to be symbol of fertility. The naaga pradhishtai(installation of snake idols) in temples which someone was earlier referring to is done by childless couples to clear naaga dhosham. Since i am a city bred guy, my snake encounters are not that scary. What is scary are dreams about snakes. Again most of the inputs on dreams are from my mother. Most general pattern of dream is about a snake that chases you. Well most of us are scared and wake up before the snake bites or we run away from scene or better still another dream sequence interlaces and takes over. My mother says, that if you have a dream where the snake coils around your legs, then you are in for some trouble as it signifies shani (Lord saneeswara) starting to dominate your life. In such a dream, the best result is snake after coiling around or chasing you manages to bite!!! That means that lord shani is going to do something good in your life!!! So keep it in mind the next time you dream about snakes. in hindu mythology, snakes are very prominent and are considered to be feminine force (again ancient pagan symbol of fertility). So you see lot of goddesses as naagaatha, or nagamma. In karnataka, snake is a symbol of Lord Muruga (no wonder as he too is a symbol or God of fertility). In fact the famous site of pilgrimage in Karnataka Kukke Subrahmanya, you would be surprised to see a snake hill (paambu puthu) instead of any idol of Lord muruga. Snakes are also a symbol of ejuvenation and eternal youth, again as a result of their shedding their skin periodically. In Mahabharatha, the last scion of the pandavas Raja parikshith is cursed to die of snake bite and despite all his efforts he gets bitten by a sarpa that is so small as t ofit inside a lemon and dies. More famous death due to snake is that of Cleopatra who again as per shakespeare commits suicide by letting her hand into a pot containing a viper. I do not know what is the significance of a dream in which a person is engulfed by a boa constrictor or a python.??? :!:
WALRUS!!!!!! :evil: :evil:
That was good one....I had a good laugh this morning!! :lol: :lol: No, my dear, unfortunately my brother's name is not Nagaraj! Come to think of it, it suits him...... :twisted: :twisted:
Jaiganesh:
Good post abt the snake. I, too, have heard abt the snake dreams..so many different versions! :roll: :roll:
I cannot believe a non-tamilian could admire about em see aar. That is sure more interesting than Ghost story to me :roll: :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by nirosha sen
Educate me about the "fantassies to die for" please?? :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
whats wrong about a mallu admiring another mallu? :) Didnt you know MGR was mallu? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by mellon
Correcting walrus:what's wrong about a Mallu's wife admiring another Mallu? :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: - entho hilarity here???? Real comedy court, Pa!!!
While I have never ascribed anything to hallucination, prefering to wait and watch for first hand evidence, I wonder if Shakti and other "snakophobes" are just over-reacting due to a morbid dread of snakes. To begin with, in my early childhood, I was scared of snakes after hearing several snake stories. One ten year scared the hell out of me, saying that a guy killed a snake and its mate chased him over land, sea, railways, roadways and finally killed him :) It spooked the living hell out of me! When I'd wake up in the middle of the night, whenever I close my eyes, I'd feel as if Parallel lines(like snakes) were moving inside my eyes...I'd avoid closing my eyes and keep staring at the nightlamp till I doze off in tiredness.
During those days, our tenant used to tell us that our own house had about 20-25 snakes in the vicinity, since it was in a deserted place surrounded by bushes and not a house in sight. When I was 10, we shifted to the same house and I have never seen a single snake all my life still :) I'm curious about snakes and ghosts both of which I STRONGLY believe to be false. Maybe if you show me a snake I might want to touch it out of curiosity :)
But for ghosts, please report me any haunted places. Since I STRONGLY STRONGLY believe that when a person dies, the body decomposes in a day or two, I dont accept the possibility of ghosts. When we were looking to rent a house, my friends mentioned a house where the previous occupant committed suicide and the owner was renting it cheap, I jumped at the opportunity and badly wanted to grab it. If I am shown a haunted place, I would definitely want to spend the night there - definitely keep the lights on, have cameras and watch :) I am really interested how a nonphysical form can generate physical power and harm anyone...
How did ghosts look like? If they resembled the dracula-types in movies, then most definitely it is a hallucination.
Since the time my faith in God increased and I started feeling Him as a companion whom I talk to, realising by theory and practice that Bible says the greatest danger to a man is the corruptness of his own mind, much more than any external physical danger - my fear of snakes/ghosts/harmful creatures vanished totally, at the worst I might have a dream of not studying well in an exam and wake up :) Then I'd look at the clock, tell myself "I'm quite a cautious guy, such things cant happen for real to me, let me sleep tight wihtout worrisome dreams now".
Walrus
[who is scared of Caterpillars though]
Walrus! sollaththaan ninaiththEn vaayirunthum vaarthaiillaamal thaviththEn. mallutta namakkethukkuppA loLLunu paarthEn. aanaal, nAn ninaiththathaiyE, nIngaL "azhagaa" sollivittIrgaL. Walrus vaayukku sucrose (allathu aspartame) thaan pOdanum.Quote:
whats wrong about a mallu admiring another mallu?
See, now, the poor Walrus become my "bullet-proof" to save me from the mallu-queen NS. :roll: ithu eppadi irukku? :roll: :lol:
If I am included among the Snakophobes,I am seeing a lot of snakes from my childhood.I have great interest in them and have travelled more than 300 kms many times to see live King Cobras.One of my friends keep cobras in his real estate office.Imagine the shock of clients when they see what is under their seat. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hehehewalrus
I can be sure that snakes do not remember past atrocities and chase people from one part of the world to another with vengeance in mind. :D There is another misconception that there is a species called 'Chera moorkhan'[cross breed of a rat snake and a cobra].Arthur Conan Doyle has made a blunder when he narrated how Dr.Roylett has trained an Indian Viper to come back when it hears his whistle.Snakes can only sense someone through the sensors under their belly and not actually hear them :) .Snakes do not attack people on purpose.
So much for the snakes.An innocent beast portrayed villain by all mankind along with their holy books. :roll:
mellon,
:)
Dude your recollection is amazing :) Are you referring to the The Speckled Band case in the case book of Sherlock Holmes?? Thats my favorite Holmes story of all time!!!!!! Must have narrated it to atleast half a dozen people :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blahblah
Walrus,You don't easily forget something you have read atleast 20 times,specially when its a Sherlock Holmes Story :wink: .Quote:
Originally Posted by hehehewalrus
Well, I do concur with Walrus on your erudite knowledge of Snakes, Blah-Blah!! I am most impressed!! But nevertheless, I remain serpent-phobic for as long as I can remember. To make matters worse, my phobia has also landed me in plantation life, where they roam ever so freely and it is us, who have to tread carefully!!
Anyway, considering which thread I am right now, I am reminded that it's time to complete my "Under the God Tree" soon!! :)
I too liked that story :D
I meant "The Speckled Band" :!: (Simultaneous posting reveals the lack of precision in my previous posting :( )
alrite, now go ahead and add 1 to the scoreboard :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blahblah
http://www.bakerstreet221b.de/canon/spec.htm
Coincidentally, the post on speckled band was your 221st and your initials are b.b - 221B?? :twisted:
Continues....Quote:
Originally Posted by nirosha sen
Continuing the God Tree .....
Unknown to many, Muniandy the gardener, was a practitioner of the Occult!! He desperately needed to control the White Manager's household so as to create a dependance on him as old age was catching up with him! With his retirement in sight within the next few years, Muniandy needed to act fast. So, he devised this plan of conjuring a spirit which had been roaming the fringes of the estate land and infiltrated the bungalow with its presence!!
Soon, strange happenings began to take place in the White Manager's household!! Things were moving on their own, pots and pans started rattling in the kitchen and the worst was of course, the disturbance to the occupants of the house itself!! Adults and children were pulled and thrown out of their beds as they slept, in the middle of the night!! Strange apparations were also seen that left everyone fearful! Even in broad daylight, things were flying in mid-air that left everyone just way too terrified to continue living in the house!!
In desperation, the Manager sought the help of the Kanggani to resolve this problem!! And on the pretext of helping out, Muniandy wormed his way in ..........
Continuing.......Quote:
Originally Posted by nirosha sen
On a Friday morning, the medium and his entourage made their way into the Manager's bungalow. After a tour of circumnavigating the bungalow and its surrounding acreage, the medium made his way towards the young mango sapling and looked at it long and hard. Closing his eyes, but seeing through his other sharper sixth sense, he knew who the culprit was; who had recklessly conjured the entity and was now trembling with the fear of retribution, standing beside him. But given to being a man of compassion and forgiveness, the medium held his tongue and got ready to do his job of re-capturing the entity from the bungalow!
Niro - glad you're continuing with your tale now! For a moment I thought I missed it. :rotfl:
Due to the Tsunami Disaster everyone was so involved in it - thus the delay in finishing your story! Am I not correct? :roll:
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SONU GOPI :wink:
Yeah Sonu, I just couldn't concentrate on what to me is a frivolous past-time, while people were fighting for their lives and what's left of it!! Perhaps, some normalcy has returned to some of our lives but for many others, it is still a nightmare ...... :cry:
Be glad to continue just yet ...... :)
Good work niro!
Good going on the story! Looks like you will beat even endamoori veerndranath in narrating ghost stories!!!
Hey guys, wondering what the heck is a ghost atleast according to hindu religion, follow this interesting link for the details http://www.sanskrit.org/Rites%20of%2...ncestors1.html
In Hindu belief system, the only ritual a person cannot escape is the rituals done to free a spirit from its body to the abode where it should reside in (Pitru loka). It is also said that a person who performs all the last rites of a dear one departed will benefit from the blessings of the departed soul. My mother has told me of interesting real life incidents involving guardian angels who forewarn approaching calamities or announce a good omen. Will share with you all later after Nirosha has finished her on going story.
Through his mind's eye, the medium knew why Muniandy had planted the mango sapling in the foreground of the compound. It was to serve as a kind of tethering post for the entity, when Muniandy makes a grand show of capturing the Djin, for that's what it was, and to have his very own pet to hold the manager to ransom!! It was indeed the plan that now lay in ruins before, the now trembling gardener!!
As per the promise extracted, the estate management agreed for the medium to put a small shack next to the sapling. Here he quickly got down to work to put a Vanguard on that knoll to overlook everything within the radius of a few hundred meters. Moulding an efigy from a handful of clay, he placed it in the interior of the shrine and chanted his prayers to give the little idol, its powers! Following that, he garotted the neck of a rooster and holding it dripping with blood, he walked around the compound of the bungalow and finally walked down the slope towards the labour lines below. There just before the shrine of the local Kali-amman, he stopped in his tracks!! After which the medium made his way back to the top of the knoll, where the bungalow is located, and released the now dead chicken!!!
Following this strange ritual, he proceeded to have a prayer at the shrine where he served several cigars, a bottle of coconut toddy and some salted fish!! After which, he lit the lone wicked lamp in the wooden shrine, and instructed the staff present to keep the light going for the next 39 days!!
Henceforth, every Friday, Kitchan made it his duty to light the lamp as per the instruction of the medium. And what had happened to the Djin in the bungalow in the meanwhile??? Well, strangely all the disturbance stopped just as soon as the light was lit in the shrine under the sapling!!
Years later, Muniandy too passed away as did Kitchan's father. The management too has changed paving the way for more and more Asian managers to occupy the bungalow. Knowing the history of the shrine and that it was meant to be a guard, none dared to disturb it!!
Many had claimed to have seen apparitions descending from the tree in the wee hours of the night. Old timers like Kitchan swore, to have seen a tall figure with shaggy mane that reached down to the knees, striding down the knoll with a staff in one hand and the glow and smell of a lit cheroot wafting in the air!!
When we moved there a couple of years ago, ground rules were laid out for us too!! We were not to disturb the lighting of the lamp in any way! We were not to allow the kids anywhere near the shrine. Though, the tree produced some of the most luscious mangoes, we were not to attempt to pluck any fruits ourselves but to pick only the ones that's dropped on the soft, springy turf below.
As for us, we judiciously followed the rules and kept out of harms' way. The last thing we needed was to incur the wrath of you know who!! Following our warning to our kids, they innocently named the tree as "the God Tree" and kept away too!!
One evening however, I had an experience that sent a chill shivering down my spine! It was twilight and I had taken a short walk out of the bungalow into the cool evening air. As I rounded the driveway closer to the tree, there was nary anyone in sight, except for a strong smell of cheroot!! I automatically quickened my steps and made my way home before it dawned on me as to who could have emitted that strong cigar aroma!! And it was a Friday evening too .......
Care to guess, anyone????
Ms.Sen, plz let us know if the story is real or not :)
Yeah Walrus! The tree is real all right!! Still stands tall and mighty, and still puts a cold hand through the heart whenever I think about that tumultous Friday evening!! :shock:
And yes we did enjoy the mangoes albeit picked from the ground!! The estate folks however, are immune to its ahem charms?! :)
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