ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

Dinesh, you are wrong. They wouldn't be able to tell ARR from HJ if you presented these two before them! I am just kidding, but the point is these are guys who don't look at the MD's name to judge a song. They just listen and if they like it they say so. Two of the guys love the girlfriend and ale ale songs in Boys (their favorite songs), one person loves ennavalE adi ennavaLe song, one person loves pudhu veLLai mazhai and vaseegara songs, and one person, being a Sinhalese, probably has no clue who is ARR and who is HJ. This last guy is absolutely crazy over the Kumari number in Anniyan. In fact, I have not heard a single person (from the general population, not listeners who post here) who talks disparagingly about Anniyan. I think we should give full credit to HJ for Anniyan, never mind whether the song became popular before or after the movie released. In this context, I must commend the visionary who posted when Anniyan album was released that the Kumari number has everything etc. I forget his nick here but if we look up the Anniyan thread, we will find his post (Anniyan review when it was released).

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

This is the exact FACTS

1. AR RAHMAN (No one to beat)
2. YUVAN SHANKAR RAJA (market increasing)
3 HARISH JEYARAJ (songs hit becos of copying and LUCK !!!)

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

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Exactly !!! Wow, I can't believe HJ has so much opposition in this forum .... I'm a crazy fan of ARR myself, but I've never thought of all the points abt HJ being mentioned here at all :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

Dinesh, you are wrong. They wouldn't be able to tell ARR from HJ if you presented these two before them! I am just kidding, but the point is these are guys who don't look at the MD's name to judge a song. They just listen and if they like it they say so. Two of the guys love the girlfriend and ale ale songs in Boys (their favorite songs), one person loves ennavalE adi ennavaLe song, one person loves pudhu veLLai mazhai and vaseegara songs, and one person, being a Sinhalese, probably has no clue who is ARR and who is HJ. This last guy is absolutely crazy over the Kumari number in Anniyan. In fact, I have not heard a single person (from the general population, not listeners who post here) who talks disparagingly about Anniyan. I think we should give full credit to HJ for Anniyan, never mind whether the song became popular before or after the movie released. In this context, I must commend the visionary who posted when Anniyan album was released that the Kumari number has everything etc. I forget his nick here but if we look up the Anniyan thread, we will find his post (Anniyan review when it was released).

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

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lol... :lol: thats my point too...my skool mates,have no idea who is arrahman or harris,but they enjoyed Boys more,the thing is,they r not INDIANS,they r malay & chinese man...imagine,a diff world from indian root... 8-) .... ofcource kumari is a good song,but i woundnt say its everything,its just Good... saying kumari is everything is like insulting tamil music has no quality man..(in a way its true,tamil music have droped way down nowdays) anywayz,not gonna debate on this more.just drop it & enjoy kumari song :lol: ill enjoy en uyir tozhiye :lol: here is a word from surya itself about : ghajini audio

The buzz is that Devi Sri Prasad’s songs are pretty lukewarm. Please comment?
When Ghajini audio released, the first reaction was pretty average. I am sure that after the release of Aaru the songs will become popular. Songs like Soda bottle…., Paarkathe… will be sure hits. The re-recording of the film is also another highlight of the film.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/interview.php?cid=2408

this is how harris formula works... :)

btw vsajy2k,i really agree on ur fact! but YSR not only have increasing market,his music is very very good,his manmadhan & 7G rainbow colony needs special mention...i loved manmadhan album the best...if he gets the right dir,he can provide great music. 8-) ARR will be back next year with many great projects in hand,esp looking foward for Jil endru oru kadhal,coz its a new dir,we can listen to a new ARR,and ofcource the old time shankar-arr.2006 will have quality songs once again... i hope illaiyaraja too will have lots of releases next year,then confirm 2006 - quality :D

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Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea

But just look at this year alone, if not the past ... HJ had two blockbusters in ANNIYAN and GHAJINI....And both the songs and the BGM were rocking...And THOTTI JAYA, even though was not that big a hit, the songs were still hit....
...But HJ rocks !!!

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bayarea, I also liked 2 Ghajini songs (Suttm, Oru malai) but the rest are waste. Thotti Jeya is a hit album? Where are you? Don't post while dreaming. 8-) . Check the audio sales figure.

Simply listen the following two songs that shows who is HJ :lol:

1) Odakara marimuthu (indra)
2) Punnakku sonna (Arul)

Sanjeevi,lets go his way :P

1.Sonnalum - Kadhal Virus [2002]
2.Uyire Yen - Thotti Jeya [2005]

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btw,any news on YSR?? whats his next album man??

Dinesh, what I am saying is that we can enjoy some HJ songs without any comparison with ARR. Kumari is one such song, which is good by itself. It has traces of En uyir thozhiyE no doubt but only the really careful listeners (like you, me, Vijayr, or any other ARR fan) can really detect that and it is really only for a fleeting moment when Harini does her stuff. As an aside did you notice that the first interlude is dangerously close to the veena in a song from Samboorna Ramayanam (Malayil paadum ragam edhu? and then veena starts). All these little nitpicks should not detract from the wholesome goodness you feel when you listen to that HJ number.

I did not say that Kumari *is* everything in tamil music, just that it *has* everything (tune, orchestration, singing, and sound quality), an opinion given first by Kamarajc (?) in his review of Anniyan album. Why is it so difficult to praise a good effort? :)

Its not that I enjoyed Kumari less because it had some resemblance to an earlier ARR song. Overall the song didnt have enough freshness in it. Also it didnt have enough to back HJ's claim during its making that it was a "classical" number along with Iyengar veettu from which he derived immense satisfaction making Shankar and Hariharan sing those classical numbers.. Both songs werent even light classical in my opinion. They were just raga based, thats all. The song didnt have enough to interest me, especially when I have listened to such numbers several hundred times before including the interludes. I would say that they werent bad, thats all. I wouldnt go to the extent of praising them.
And as for the fast numbers from Anniyan they were clearly an earsore. Kaadhal yaanai and Nokia are some of the worst fast numbers I have heard, total lack of imagination with mechanized beats and nonsense words that are made to rhyme in every line. We have heard such numbers in the mid-90s itself. HJ lacks imagination in rhythm arrangement and he hasnt come up with a single convincing fast number so far. He scores mostly in the peppy love songs genre that he gets a chance to compose.
and Music4ever, comparison is something that happens sub-consciously even without the listener's knowledge. When you hear a song you can sense it whether it is mundane or not, if you have been exposed to TFM and are a regular listener. The database is inbuilt in your mind. You dont have to consciously compare it with an X or Y song from the past. And as much as you have heard Kamarajc or other friend of yours who praised the album, I read a lot of negative reviews from bloggers(some of whom are musicians) and I myself thought the album was so-so even before the movie's release. And myopinion hasnt changed even after the movie became a hit and the songs were played several hundred times on TV. Same with Chandramukhi. Chandramukhi is even worse because of the 2 lifts and the overall mediocrity of the compositions.

Vijayr, I fully understand your point of view. Even when I listened to Anniyan initially I thought what was so great about it etc. Yours and Dinesh's are the only two so-so reviews of Anniyan that I have heard (in mutual discussion, that is) so far. I am not saying this to cause any offence or something, only that I am reporting the actual data I have collected so far. Perhaps, as you have said, I have not been able to converse with enough number of people having the opposite view (the view which you and Dinesh have). What I think would be the case is that listeners with higher standards of listening (obtained through years of experience either listening to various tamil songs like in your case or listening closely to minute ARR-like sounds like Dinesh) may not rate Anniyan all that high while the casual everyday listener (especially youth) will rate it higher. And the mass demand is probably based on these casual youth listeners. Thanks for your response.

Music4ever, I remember the reviews being mixed at best here in TFMpage when Anniyan was released. Check out this thread. This is your own review from that thread :
http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewto...r=asc&start=90

"Harris Jeyaraj's music for Kaaka kaaka was much better than the one he has composed for Anniyan. In Anniyan he has not been able to do justice to the hype created by a Shankar movie. ARR, on the other hand, matched the hype for Boys with good music (i.e., music that suited the mood of the movie). Comparison with ARR is inevitable if you are HJ, and no KamarajC can prevent that by any means of pre-emptive writing"


Not only have you thought the album isnt worth the hype, you have even done the comparison yourself which you wanted Dinesh to avoid, in a response that differed from what Kamaraj wrote :-) Like I said earlier, repeated listenings on TV due to lack of options can make even those megaserial title songs humworthy. (actually most of them are, as compared to what Srikanthdeva and Dhina churn out)

and one more thing..while you may have talked with a lot of people who might have liked the album you shouldnt let that influence your opinion much on the album. If you have changed your opinion on your own after some time, thats fine.

bayangara investigation'A irukkE, vijay:-)

Vijayr, then I probably spoke too soon, before the numbers grew on me, I guess. In any case I would like to revise my opinion on Kumari at least now. I think there is no harm in changing the outlook if there is a preponderance of opinion that goes the other way, since then it forces me to look at my own opinion and check whether I was uncharitable to the MD, to being with. Not being a music buff myself, I guess in this instance I was, and so this can be taken as my revised view. As for the comparison with Boys, I believe I should not have done that. Hypocrite and all that! My bad. Full marks to HJ, IMO.

hahahaa...ok guys...cool it... :lol: ,music4ever,its good u can enjoy anniyan songs,im happy for u,but ur opinion cannot change our views on anniyan songs,im sure ull realise it later that anniyan songs has no speciality.... :wink: i agreee with vijay,those classical song doesnt have that 'kick' thingy..u know..like make us flow along with it... i hope the classical number in Godfather will satisfy my needs of classical song... :D:D... anywayz,its funny if we debate about anniyan songs now,its like too late :P:P... and the songs already sounds irksome.but 1 thing is really funny...if anniyan songs were taht great/famouse/superb how come he didint get all the super movie offers?? shockingly all the projects that is the highlights of 2006 is with ARRahman,if anniyan were that great,those offers should have been offerered to harris no? :?

:shock:


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In Anniyan he has not been able to do justice to the hype created by a Shankar movie. ARR, on the other hand, matched the hype for Boys with good music (i.e., music that suited the mood of the movie

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Comparing the music of Boys and Anniyan is like comparing apples and oranges,Folks, you're completely mixing up the genres.
As you probably know, love stories with youth give maximum scope for good music, as can be seen throughtout film history.And the reverse is also true that action movies are hardest to give good music.(though there are plenty of exceptions)
So, if you want to compare the music of Aniyan do so, with Muthalvan, Indian etc.
If you want to compare Boys compare it with another youth ful love story like; Minnale.
And you come to whatever conclusion you like.But dont mix up different genres.!

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In Anniyan he has not been able to do justice to the hype created by a Shankar movie. ARR, on the other hand, matched the hype for Boys with good music (i.e., music that suited the mood of the movie

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Comparing the music of Boys and Anniyan is like comparing apples and oranges,Folks, you're completely mixing up the genres.
As you probably know, love stories with youth give maximum scope for good music, as can be seen throughtout film history.And the reverse is also true that action movies are hardest to give good music.(though there are plenty of exceptions)
So, if you want to compare the music of Aniyan do so, with Muthalvan, Indian etc.
If you want to compare Boys compare it with another youth ful love story like; Minnale.
And you come to whatever conclusion you like.But dont mix up different genres.!

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abydoss....nice topic...Mudhalvan - Anniyan...

music4ever,now tell us...

Dinesh, both have good music. I am sure you are dissatisfied with my answer. :)

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

Dinesh, both have good music. I am sure you are dissatisfied with my answer. :)

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:lol: :lol: :lol: im waiting 1 day until u will say 'harris albums r better than arrs album.... :lol: i know that day isnt very far :P

In my opinion there is no question about ARR being better than HJ. ARR is definitely better. And I think YSR too is better than HJ though HJ is reported to receive higher payment than YSR. I just loved all the songs in Minnalae. He showed absolute mastery and control in that movie. But after that, honestly, "Gulmohar Malarae" is the only song I feel to be in the same calibre of the songs of Minnalae. I havent heard all of his songs after Minnalae. But the songs I heard are not very good... for example 12B, other songs of Majnu, Anniyan etc. It looks like he is trying hard to make good different music. He uses a lot of techno sounds and effects. He really makes them sound perfect but the songs as a whole dont sound great. He just doesnt seem to have the free flow he had in Minnalae. Sorry, if there are other great songs of him which I havent heard.

x-ml to j-ml?

haha 'ml' stands for music lover

My 1st post here..


Its completly rude to compare ARR-HJ-YSR

comon..its like comparing Sachin with dhoni,pathan,sehwag

Diffrent era--diffrent times..

comon..when arr entered it was out and out compltly illayraja domination in tamil film music..and he ended it..with roja--Revoulanised indian film music.... and other hit albums.

He is the one who has got amazing success rate of 85%....

Hj-YSR are good...but are not best or great.

ARR and IR are great...dont compare..

ARR is like a sunshine to me...he may rise and set down in evening...but remeber sun always rises and when sun rises it gives enough light to all...to the peace..to the enjoyment of all..


wat ever..these new breed compasers have lot to learn..they can leanr from those 2 legends...

i think YSR is good..he improves but awk..this harris jayraj..leave it..no comments on him..


now those who are ready to pounce on me...let me tell..

Dont agree with the fact that "rahman revolutionised indian film music with roja?" dont say me or dont tell me its wrong..i didnt say this...its somewhere some group of persons told this and all over the indians accept this as a fact..its true..



IR is great...but i still go for Rahman..comon..melodies..ok good..but just to enjoy urself..u need these type of songs..

"pettai rap","Mukkabula", "Girlfriend", "Anbe Aaruyire","telephone manipol" and hell lots more...

These type of songs r pulse of youth..


and one more thing..todays dapankuthu mass songs and fast food type of songs..



always remember....





Music with Class is always better than Mass



ARR rocks..and rocks in big time..


and if i rank my fav 5 composers it wud be..

1.ARR
2.IR
3.YSR
4.Mani sharma
5.Vidyasagar

rest have long way to go..

said lot more here..thanks if u wud have read it fully..

Guys,only today i watched Totti Jeya,and i knew 2 things :

1.Yuvan Shankar Raja's song in that movie is not Samba Samba but its Intha Oore which was sung by gals when they were in Kolkatta.I noticed the typical YSR touch there,and Samba Samba clearly had Harris's touch with the base.Shockingly i didint see any part where they credited YSR for Samba Samba.

2.Sonnalum - Kadhal Virus tune was used as BGM.The line "Nathiyaena naan nadanthaen,Nanai thadutthum kadanthaen, Kadaisiyil kalanthaen, kadalae " was used as the BGM when Gopika will be sleeping n the train after missing the train & Simbhu wanted to wake her up,the same music comes up again when Gopika reaches her home back.

TJ that uppu karuvadu song, his choice for singer SM :banghead:, the way he sings :twisted: , exact BG ripoff :hammer:.

Ranjith is another singer rite? :lol:

forthcoming movies:
yuvan's pudhupettai, arr's godfather, hj's vettaiyadu vilayadu
who win?

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forthcoming movies:
yuvan's pudhupettai, arr's godfather, hj's vettaiyadu vilayadu
who win?

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machan,all r releasing in diff dates/months...im not sure bout puttupetai,but GF movie on feb,VV probably on June only...how to compare machan?

WILL VV RELEASE IN JUNE? R U SURE?so what's the forthcoming album of hj?

No one knows about forthcoming albums of HJ? :huh:

VV,a film with Jeeva, Chennayil oru Mazhai Kalam, a telugu movie.

There is nothing interesting from HJ coming up ,except for VV, this year. :huh: One would've expected him to bag many offers after "Anniyan", but this dint happen. Some ppl claimed b4 its release that "Anniyan" would be to HJ what Roja was to "ARR" and ARR would face the same situation what IR faced afer Roja. As a matter of fact it is ARR who has more projects(Big ones too)than HJ this year. :lol:

U forgot to mention NOrth Madras Pasangal, with a new director, sounds interesting.

ansa400

I couldnt control my laught when I read "Some ppl claimed b4 its release that "Anniyan" would be to HJ what Roja was to "ARR"

who was that genius anyways!

"No one knows about forthcoming albums of HJ?"

HJ declined all offers because he is focusing on BGM of VV. The movie is so trendy that he is making every effort to give an international touch. Unforunately the only director who work with HJ all the time is Gautham. Since HJ cost more now, he can not be used for smaller productions as well.

2006 will be ruled by YSR in terms of no. of movies & no. of hits.

For ARR 2006 is also a good year, since he is doing 2 major films, Shivaji and Dasavatharam (apart from other films like ZOK etc)

IR has good number of movies but nothing exciting except RGV movie.

VS will always have his share, typicall mass masala movies.

Rest of them - doesnt matter. You may find one or two surprises by other MDs but nothing more.

That RGV movie may not be great shakes either. The fact that RGV is going back to square one may mean that the guy is running out of saleable ideas. Nagarjuna is a old man with a sagging market in Andhra. Nag never had a speakable market any where else in India anyway. RGV's music taste is debatable - Shiva presumably came at IR's peak and benefitted from it and Rangeela similarly benefitted from ARR's largesse.Look at his telugu movies immediately following Shiva - nothing to write home about. Look at his post-ARR movies - nothing much to write home about either. So, I dont think RGV can extract much from IR unless IR is in a particularly philanthropic mood on that day :-)

i dont rate RGV as a good director either except shiva ofcourse, but just a hope that the pair can do something (like onok with faazil - better than IR's other albums)

btw HJ telugu movie is Stalin, *ing chiru & trisha , directed by armurugadas (gajini!)

njv, for that to happen
a) RGV has to come up with a fantastic script that inspires IR
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b) RGV should be a director with strict standards for music in his films and have a track record of extracting good music for his movies

Surely, (b) is not possible The only movies of RGV with good music have basically been the MD's gifts.
a) doesnt seeem likely given his recent track record and the very fact that he is going back to square one by going back to Shiva - also his current venture is a REMAKE OF SHOLAY. his previous venture was , take this, an inspiration(nay, heavy inspiration) from God Father. I wouldnt place much hopes on such a man's current creativity form.


Given that, the only thing that can inspire IR is a non-filmi album that would let him indulge his creative cells. But after TIS, who is going to pay for it? Not that there is solid proof that he swindled anyone in TiS but more or less that is the image being spread around.

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HJ declined all offers because he is focusing on BGM of VV.

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Ithe Build-up thaan ANNIYANukkum vittar Mr.HJ!! :lol: :lol: :rotfl:

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The movie is so trendy that he is making every effort to give an international touch.

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International Touchnnu sollitu International Lift pannama irundha seri. :lol2: