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Potham Pothuvaga Kalacharathai kindal pannuvathu rombavE over :evil: . It has its own merits and demerits. So take the best and leave the worst
[quote="joe"][quote="Punnaimaran"]இந்தியாவை மனதில் வைத்துத் தான் என்னுடைய கருத்துக்கள். மேலை நாடுகள் அளவிற்கு சமுதாய விழிப்புணர்ச்சி நம்மிடம் இன்னும் வளரவில்லை என்பது என் எண்ணம்.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
உதாரணமாக, மதுவிலக்கு இருந்த நேரத்தில் குடிப்பழக்கம் ஒரு சிலரிடையே மட்டுமே இருந்தது. 'பார்'களைத் திறந்து வைத்தோம், பள்ளி மாணவன் கூட 'பீர்' வாங்கி பீச்சில் குடிக்கிறான். விபச்சாரத்தை அனுமதித்தால், 'கட்டிங்' வாங்கிக் கொண்டு கட்டிலுக்குப் போக மாட்டானா ??
What if I feel "hurt" by moral outrage ? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Jokes apart, let's chew on this for a minute - hurt is so difficult to define.
Apart from physical hurt, causing psychological trauma (eg. threats, ) is a punishable offence - we'd be ready agree with that.
What about 'public decency' - that ever changing cultural thing where standards are progressively 'lowered'. How would one react ? The streaker is a regular in these arguments - and I am surprised he hasn't made an appearance thus far. :-)
And this is my favourite: what about "Hurting religious sentiments" - there we may get slightly cat-on-the-wall. Responses will range from "it's a free country, grow some skin" to "தவிர்த்திருக்கலாம்", "வருத்தத்துக்குரியது" to "கண்டனத்துக்குரியது".
In many places the charges center around 'likely to incite violence'. Note: this is not necessarily linked to actual acts of violence, but presumption that it may lead to. That means the incitability of the people is also taken into account, isn't it ?!
So as people become more balanced (or 'permissive' based on how one sees it !) previous offences no longer are offences ! Rather than being set in stone on these issues, the law changes - which can be understandably unsettling. We law as the cornerstone with reference to which society operates but in many cases there is a feedback loop.
"தவிர்த்திருக்கலாம்"
idhai nAn IR-ARR-kE sola vEndi vandhadhu. nInga religious varaikkum pOyittInga
[quote="19thmay"]Joe,
I agree with your points!
Chinna vayasulayE neraya vishayangal maranum, mathanum. Government should ban Gents, Ladies - school, colleges. 5th varaikum co-ed adhukappuram ladies-ku seperate school ellam enakku romba vulgar-a theriyudhu![/quote]
Well said. First we should prepare the young minds, so that they can decide level-headedly in such issues. Unfortunately in India, we have still a looong way to go.
ஐயா! நானும் இதே கலாச்சார நாட்டுல இருந்து தான் வர்றேன் ..அத நெனச்சு பெருமைப்பட முடியல்ல ..அது கிண்டல் இல்ல .ஆத்திரம் ..அவமானம் ..சும்மா கலாச்சாரம் -ன்னு பேப்பர்-ல எழுதி வச்சுகிட்டா போதுமா ? வீதிகளில் எங்கிருக்கு கலாச்சாரம் ? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
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Originally Posted by P_R
Does 'advances' mean harassment? :roll: Nowhere does the question of harassment arise- in this discussion about premarital sex and living together arrangements which the Supreme Court has glibly advocated in the court of law! I mentioned the bus incident of having body guards in our days to answer the light dismissal alleged for such acts now. It IS shocking and saddening to me to see women wanting male attention! whoever talked about 'piRar manai nOkkaamai' and 'sEl akaRRiya maathar' must be turning in their graves!
The reversal of gender roles do definitely disturb me. Home is the domain of the woman is my strong belief. Like in the quote, 'God is in his heaven and all is well with the world' when woman is in in the home all is well with the world.
Thanks for educating me: after same sex marriage what could follow is marriage with robots! :lol:
[quote="Punnaimaran"][quote="joe"]Thanks, Punnaimaran for understanding the situation and the perils of absurd trends, talks and statements from all quarters, high and low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punnaimaran
:roll:Quote:
Thanks for educating me: after same sex marriage what could follow is marriage with robots!
Our youth are averse to lifelong commitments is the fact. Marriage comes with the tagline, 'until death doth part us' whereas living together has for tagline, 'until another interesting partner doth part us'! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
What a pity the concept of human rights can get twisted to all our selfish, sensual inclinations! :( Individuals make the society, nation, world. Their personal decisions do have a bearing on the whole texture of human existence. Very perverse, wrong notions of personal freedom/rights have been in vogue for long. :cry:
Hi AR, khabar baik* :DQuote:
Originally Posted by r2tchasi
What is with this new id? :huh: PM me pls.
Even in her case, it was "enticement" not "adultery." Some bored lawyer must have looked up the archaic law. :lol: Anyway as you are aware the case just fizzled out and there were talks of repealiing this colonial law.
an old joke: childhood is not as enjoyable for a child as adultery is for an adult. :lol2:
* khabar baik is malay for I am fine (in response to AR's query)
Again you are going like "Potham Pothuvaga"Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Somebody please tell what is culture and what are the elements and what things it says to follow and what not?
oops.. please replace culture with indian culture.
In conclusion, what this world needs is not more laws and constant judging, but love, compassion and understanding.
Culture is not static and is always changing. What was common for our ancestors, say a thousand years ago, are no longer common for us today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
In fact, I would go as far to say today's morality was thrust upon us and is not originally ours to begin with. Globalisation. :lol2:
..and responsibility, commitment and accountability and above all dignity befitting discerning six-sensed human beings.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
Googling for the meaning of culture I found this:
Culture is the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon man's capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations... the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group. Culture means many different things to different people: the clothing, the food, the values, the laws, the beliefs, the music and dance, the material things, the language, the art, the medicine or healing practices, the shared history, the kinship system (whom you consider to be family), the stories, the hairstyles, the economic system, and much more, of a group of people. Families, neighborhoods, ethnic groups (groups of' people from the same part of the world), religious groups, regions, countries, all have their own cultures. Culture is constantly changing as people and places change.
Honestly and respectfully PP mam, I really don't understand the inherent need to be so judgemental.Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Really, why can't we let people do what they want, as long as its not harmful to anyone.
Just playing Devil's Advocate here..."harm" is not as obvious to define as we think :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
:-) Even that is something I was able to imagine, he'll most probably surprise me !Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
I was thinking of it while posting.. :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
But then again, we arent into psycho-analysing yet, I hope. :P
'not harmful to anyone' is a very deceptive, dangerous term. Why do we have a government? Why do we have traffic rules? Why do we have railway stations, signals, stationmasters? Why do we have district collectors? Why do we have ration shops? why do we have police stations? why? Why? Why? Because we want to be governed/guided/ protected into smooth system of life. Just like our civic laws there are basic moral laws to ensure smooth, happy life with meaningful relationships.
Why do you think a person's private life does not affect the society in general? How do you conclude the prevalent customs do not affect the mindset and social behaviour of growing children? Children ape what they see- are we not responsible to teach them loyal, binding, lasting relationships? Teach them to live guilt-free, happy life? Want them them to cherish, relish warm familial feelings? No rules, no regulations, no discipline, no control, no norms mean chaos, utter disorder. The argument of not harming anyone is fallacious. Let us not encourage our posterity to shirk their duties. No human being is free from 'duties'!
among the why's, why isn't there a "why do we have a brain?" :D
a happy warm family is usually an exception, not the rule. millions of women stay in a marriage not because of happiness or warmness but because of their helplessness.
children of such families are by no stretch of mind, "healthy" children. ask them what they have learnt from seeing their parent's marriage and most likely they will tell you they want to be different. :lol:
hey, I cant believe this: I am arguing for independent women while PP madam is arguing for keeping them trapped. :lol:
This is exactly the the trend I'm up in arms against: that all marriages are failures; all women are drowning in tears of marital woes; marriage is a shackle; women need to be emancipated from a desperate trap and so forth. The media and a host of 'liberationists' are crying hoarse for freedom for fettered women! They are shouting from every platform they can get on! Highly ridiculous and absurd to say all marriages are failures, all married women are just enduring their bondage without happiness; all households are battlefields making children grow up into perverts and misfits; warmth of the hearth is a myth etc etc. Atrocious falsehoods! Height of cynicism and pessimism. Happy families are not not exceptions, but unhappy marriages are. Do we cut our nose to spite our face? Do we do away with a wise system just because there are a few misadventures? The sensible thing will be to improve the system and not to abolish it.
Wrong priorities and mischieous propaganda about feminine emancipation are the main reason for increasing marriage woes/failures. Once discontent creeps in it is difficut to make a woman see sense. She is being a puppet in the hands of self-seeking charlatans. Poor woman! And poor man!!!!
What is independence? No responsibilities? No duties? No maternal cares? No cooking, no washing, no nappies, no night vigils, no mentor, no master- this is the lure the modern is falling in for! Huh! What an independence! No pain, no gain. Life is give and take.
PP madam, life is more grey than white or black.
In the past you would have recalled the meaning of "culture" from your own knowledge or looked up a dictionary. Today, you just googled and came up with more than enough information.
You can adapt to technology because you have opened your mind to it.
That's all there is to it. :wave:
:roll: What has open mind to do with this? aattukkallum ammiyum pOkalaam, dictionary will be replaced by google; but it is a woman who bears and delivers the baby unless some unimaginable, abominable scientific invention makes man do it!!! What I mean is certain things can and must change; certain things cannot and must not change- for the good of mankind.
As long as we live in a society, for harmonious living, reasonable moral responsibility is MUCH NEEDED. That is why India still has family values and happy children around. Agreed that every moral value comes with right parental guidance....and LAW NEED NOT, CANNOT AND SOUNDS ILLOGICAL to intervene into personal affairs of any xyz.
But such OPEN announcement as a judgement, need to be checked, cause many young minds are vulnerable and increasingly not guided in right path. Mind control is increasingly difficult for man, when no check is had, then it is bound to be let loose. What is let loose today as 40 percent (assuming) would become 60...and more... Harmony would be COMPLETELY lost at what cost? Definitely most ethical and moral guidelines are inscribed for happy living.
Also like what pp maam said, amongst many sections of individuals today high mis-conceptions about "dividing our roles" in society as men and women and one role is sadly UNDER ESTIMATED to be a submissive role (by women themselves) . Woman should take up her role proudly, definitely it does pave well for healthy society, balanced society. This DOES NOT MEAN keeping quiet on alarming issues and giving up one's right totally and live a life of puppet.
Law cannot and should not intervene, it is INDIVIDUAL MAN AND WOMAN who is gonna decide about pre or post marital sex or who they are gonna live iwth or change partner etc. However declaring it openly AND PASSING IT as a judgement or verdict is bound to have its ... effect.
Yeah...nothing can be done...times change...values are bound to change..What was there prevelent 200 years back is no longer in vogue...so...lets wait n watch :|
ps: an after thought:
Extreme sensitivity of our "cultural folks" finally results in making every issue with utterance of word "Sex" as taboo and against culture! They dont mind taking such issues to court and talking, evaluating commenting and disucssing NUMEROUS times! What would have been dismissed as a normal hear-say comment now every boy n girl in most street corners talks discusses and opines.
Shakthiprabha, what should the courts have done? People filed criminal charges against Khushboo on the basis that she was instigating criminal behaviour. Instigating criminal behaviour is a crime. Should they have let Khushboo go to jail so they could have avoided pronouncing on the question of whether pre-marital sex and living together are criminal? Would that have been just? If the courts were to find her innocent, the only way open to them is to hold as they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
Once the case was brought against her, the courts were literally left with no choice but to pronounce - in the form of a judgment or verdict - on the issue of whether consensual pre-marital sex is a crime. They said that it isn't. And indeed it isn't under Indian law - Indian law does not criminalise consensual pre-marital sex between people above the age of consent (and, arguably, the constitution would prevent its criminalisation). That is literally all the court said in this case.
The Supreme Court was only pronouncing on the issue of whether pre-marital sex is criminal or not. Does anyone here seriously think that two teenagers who have sex before marriage should be branded criminals, go through a criminal trial in the Magistrate's court, and have criminal sentences passed against them? Why all this hue and cry about the judgment then? Whether pre-marital sex is a good thing or not is an entirely different issue from that of whether criminal law is the right instrument to reduce its incidence in society.Quote:
Originally Posted by sankara70
Sankara, the Supreme Court has not allowed gay marriage. They've only said that people cannot be sent to jail for being homosexuals. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sankara70
Pre-marital sex is nothing new to Indian culture. It has existed from the days of Kunthi and Karna. We can argue till we are blue in the face that Kunti was still a virgin and Karna's birth was not a result of sex. That reminds me of a passage from Dr. Abraham Kovoor's book, where he states that making young children believe that the birth of a divine personality was the result of God rubbing his toe against the mother's navel and not as a result of sex, only results in the child believing that the navel needs to be protected to remain a virgin. I cannot understand why we are kicking up a fuss about it now.
There seem to be a number of people here who condone pre-marital sex and none of what they say has been taken to court. Then why should the SC waste its time with what Kushboo said? This in a country, where, if a common man commits a grave crime, it probably takes years to get a judgement. Is Kushboo's statement so world-changing that it has to be treated such?
One integral part of Indian culture seems to be hypocrisy. By the very act of making sex a taboo subject and portraying it as a evil thing, aren't we subtly piquing the curiosity of our children? Wouldn't we be better off educating our children about sex? By holding on to history in the name of culture and heritage, we are only hampering our own progress.
Rajan
Rajan: The major problem is that still arranged marriages dominate in our culture. OK , if you think premarital sex is not wrong, then we should eradicate "arranged marriage" between "strangers". We are not doing that!
When people still want to stick to arranged marriages, you want to allow premarital sex (considering that is harmless), then they should at least marry one of the partners with whom they fell in love and slept with. That is NOT happening either.
Premarital sex is for just practising sex and later, marrying a stranger with whom you never slept with, is what making things more complicated and awkward in our culture than the western lifestyle.
Either stop premarital sex as what we believe as good for our arranged marriage culture or stop arranged marriage completely, and choose your partner by loving and sleeping with. But what has been happening is அரைக்கிணறு தாண்டுதல்! அதான் பிரச்சினையே.
தமிழ் கல்யாணம்னு இன்னும் மாட்ரிமோனி அப்புறம் குலம் கோத்ரம்னு பார்த்து ஏன் ஹைலி எஜுக்கேட்டெட் மக்களும் செய்றாங்க?
Caste system and marrying within the same caste still dominates in our culture! Then how are you going to allow premarital sex in such a setting?
And promotes in-breeding ! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by thamiz
It was her husband who filed the caselah. It was more to shame the parties involved rather than to get justice. What justice can you get anyway? :) - Adultery is morally wrong fullstop Laws aren't there to criminalise adultery. It is there to implicate that adultery is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Yup, the case is no longer the case, NOV. :lol:
Kushboo's statement: 'Some Tamil women whom I know are indulging in premarital sex.'
Next come the lawsuits.
Meaning: It is a crime to know people who are into premarital sex (or any other immoral activities)? :roll:
:lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Yes, most lawmakers all over the world have established that. It's a multi-billion dollar industry in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
One day my mom said, she saw this old movie with Anuradha doing cabaret dancing, and she said, "ippo ulla arai-kurai dress podura heroines-e thevalam pola irukku". Is it about clothing? Behavioiur? Smooching your girlfriend, gay friend or wife in public is norm in Singapore, can be charged as public indecency in Malaysia if confronted by sexually surpressed cop. Singaporean authorities don't give a damn, they are more concerned about making sure the people have good life and vote for the ruling party again the next election.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
:lol: During 1974 Oscar, the presenter David Niven was suddenly interrupted by a Streaker who ran across the stage. Niven: " "Isn't it fascinating to think, that probably the only laugh that man will ever get in his life, is by stripping off and showing his shortcomings?"Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
No comments from someone who is not in a free country. Till today I am confused as to Malaysia is a Islamic country or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Reasons why bad big budget movies like Minority Report get made.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
The bad guy in Under Siege 2: "Assumption is mother of all f***ups". Who knows? Who can tell? What authority do you have to presume such act will happen? What is authority? The guy who urinated his territory?Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Well said :clap: There will always be evolution, physical, psychological, cultural, etc. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by P_R
That reminds me of one important evolution I see: when I was a kid my dad used to describe cultural difference by quoting laughingly,'my children and your children and our children are playing together'. In the past two generations our young men and women have evolved into more shrewd beings recognising children factor as nuisance which is to be avoided as plague!!! :lol:
Except that the number children has come down considerably in the US. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
With all due respect, PP maam, I beg to differ with you on this point. I don’t find it absurd or ridiculous to note the high amount of failed marriages or that most women are staying on with their marriage as a matter of vulnerability than of love and affection. To say otherwise is akin to living in a denial. I’m not saying that all marriages are failures, but sadly a high number of it happened to be. Of course, there are many reasons to quote for the failure of marriages; lack of love, compassion and respect to one another are some of the reasons but I strongly believe that women being independent have nothing to do with the predicament we face today.Quote:
This is exactly the the trend I'm up in arms against: that all marriages are failures; all women are drowning in tears of marital woes; marriage is a shackle; women need to be emancipated from a desperate trap and so forth. The media and a host of 'liberationists' are crying hoarse for freedom for fettered women! They are shouting from every platform they can get on! Highly ridiculous and absurd to say all marriages are failures, all married women are just enduring their bondage without happiness; all households are battlefields making children grow up into perverts and misfits; warmth of the hearth is a myth etc etc. Atrocious falsehoods! Height of cynicism and pessimism. Happy families are not not exceptions, but unhappy marriages are. Do we cut our nose to spite our face? Do we do away with a wise system just because there are a few misadventures? The sensible thing will be to improve the system and not to abolish it.
That brings us to your next question…
Being independent has nothing to do with “discharging” a woman from her responsibility, duties, maternal care, etc. Being independent means to do all the above (cooking, washing, changing nappies, etc) simply because she wants to and not because she had to.Quote:
What is independence? No responsibilities? No duties? No maternal cares? No cooking, no washing, no nappies, no night vigils, no mentor, no master- this is the lure the modern is falling in for! Huh! What an independence! No pain, no gain. Life is give and take.
All through my life, I was taught to respect women. I was educated on women’s rights and liberties and I grew up watching women from my circle of life advocating and practicing those rights. What are those rights? Being able to speak up in the company of men, being able to stand firm on their two feet, being able to make their decisions on how to lead their life, choosing their career, their life partner etc. And it’s not surprising that I want my future wife to be exactly that. If I want to start a family with her, it’s only because both of us want to and not because we’re expected to do so. Would I be offended if she wants to go out and work? Or would I get mad if she doesn’t cook dinner for me? I wouldn’t. I said that with certainty because that’s how I was brought up. My mom is 60 years old and she still works in a private company. She doesn’t have to but she does it anyway because the job gives her a contentment that she doesn’t get by staying at home. There are times when she comes back home late, that my dad ends up cooking dinner for us. Does this make us loathe our mom? Do we feel that she’s grown so independent that she failed to fulfill her duty as a mother and a wife? Absolutely not. She’s still the mom we love and the love and respect that our parents have for one another stays true if not grown all these years. In fact, looking back at my family, I strongly believe that my future wife should be exactly that. Someone who can stand on her own feet, someone who stays in a marriage for love and because she wants to, rather than staying because she was being dominated by a so-called “master”.
And like you rightly point out, life is all about giving and taking and that applies to both men and women. But in reality, how many men out there really gives? They say that marriage is all about compromises, but why do we see only the women compromising in most things? How many women out there have become victims to domestic violence? And can you tell me for certain that dowry practices have ceased to be a factor for mental and physical violation against women today? How many more women have to become victims before we start to look upon women as a fellow human rather than a machine to cook, feed and clean? Things are changing, yes but if the changes are going to enable women to have a better platform to voice out their opinion, and the strength to stand up alongside men in all departments, then these changes are definitely welcomed.
Which brings us to the crux of this topic…Kushbu’s statement that men don’t expect their wife to be virgin. My question is, why does this statement attracts strong objections from the public? Because Kushbu seems to be enticing women to have pre-marital sex?
Would the same public object if her statement implicates that women do not expect their husbands to be virgin?
There are hues and cries about Supreme Court’s decision on this matter. The public felt that Supreme Court have given a wrong idea in the public’s mind by declaring that pre-marital sex is not a crime. To quote SP's words
Now, my question is, how do we expect the court to declare it otherwise? The court’s duty is to give a verdict on the issues on hand. The petition filed in court was expressly to quash criminal proceedings against Kushboo who made an observation that premarital sex is no offense as living together is no offense.Quote:
Law cannot and should not intervene, it is INDIVIDUAL MAN AND WOMAN who is gonna decide about pre or post marital sex or who they are gonna live iwth or change partner etc. However declaring it openly AND PASSING IT as a judgement or verdict is bound to have its ... effect.
Thus, the question which the court needs to address was whether she had committed a crime by making such observations. And I truly agree with the court when it states that there is no law which prohibits live-in relationship or pre-marital sex. Stating otherwise would mean that Kushbu’s observation is tantamount to a criminal act, which is not.
Very good, AudazJay! I admire your clairvoyance and calm approach. Let me also congratulate you for the luck of having an exceptional classic family. My regards to your parents. May your life be a replica of your parents'! You see, mine also happens to be a similar family of understanding, affectionate men and women except that our family's women-my 2 dils, daughter and myself) have not opted for career. All four of us are educated, intelligent and multiskilled. Our 4 men love to dabble in the kitchen. No fuss aboout women standing upon men all the time.
Well, how many families are like mine and yours? In the vast population, a janatha family should be our concern, how its members are affected, exclusive, elite families do not come under discussion of this sort. How many temptations do the ordinary young boys and girls meet todat, the obscenities in the media, the pub culture, the dating scope, above all the greed fed on by a glaringly consumeristic world? The bulk, the masses matter for a country's progress, prosperity. When they are tempted, enticed to become morally depraved a country loses heavily.
Khusboo had very bad things to say, generalise wantonly about Tamil Nadu's men and women which she had no right to do. Personal views, my foot! Falsehoods and arrogant allegations! With her 'might' she has come off unscathed. A shame it is the Supreme Court made such an obeisance to her lofty ideas about human morals! Going to the extent of citing mythology in support! Highly ridiculous state of affairs! Can we not speak with relevance to our present circumstances, the threats we face to dignified living? Lifestyles change but not certain basic values!
Much ado about nothing! but more surprised to see PP so involved!
Are you saying Mrs PP that this absolutely does not happen in Tamil Nadu? Or was Kushboo wrong to just call it out as she saw it?Quote:
Originally Posted by PP
Like it or not, the culture that was once India's is changing due to globalisation. There has to be a comfortable balance, not the extremism of culture policing!
With the world becoming smaller, with IT and other professions providing plenty of opportunities to travel, with Hollywood making inroads into every home, with obscene dance and song sequences in regional Indian cinema - what are we still crying about?
One woman speaking her mind? That is suddenly the big issue?
The Supreme Court verdict is going to change what exactly?
Those that do not want to do it, wont.
Those that anyway will do it, will continue!
Some extreme fanatics will take to the streets and burn effigies while busy Hubbers will increase the post count!
podalangai, audaz,
The fact I probably failed to mention was , I aint too happy about the 'public behaviour n attitude' of takign such matter to the court, having known WELL THE PRESENT scenario and cult country has come to embrace.
Obviously court would say ppl have freedom of speech. Any law in any country is bound to bend and get flexible considering the present situation and majority of the people's mind set or / and living style. Court's verdict was but expected and then we make a hue and cry about the same.
Summa iruntha sangai oodhi kedutha ithu thaan aagum... Now that the verdict is openly out, consequences would follow.
:wave:
I am out of this thread.