ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

"Well...You can laugh, but that's all you can do...You can take away the fact that MellisayE had a few phrases directly lifted from Bolero. I can send you the sheet if you can read it. Ask our common friend to play it for you in his keyboard...You'll know."

I dont need to ask any common friends. why are you dragging others for help? :-) I listened and there is hardly any resemblance. And you dont need score sheets to identify a few bars of resemblance, pleaaase :-) The resemblance is fleeting at best, not enough IMO to even call it a strong inspiration leave alone a lift

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Originally Posted by Shankar

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Also Alaipaayudhe is a song that has been used as such without too much instrumental intrusion. Its mostly vocals with minimal accompaniment and no interludes. So Iam not sure if it can be even called a remix technically.
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I termed Alaipaayudhe as a remixed song to be fair here in this discussion, but I said PERSONALLy I think its MORE of a faithful reproduction than remix,which doesnt mean its completely a faithful reproduction, but closer ot it than a remix.
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Not sure if this is comprehension problem of one or the lack of articulation from the other. You decide, since you give the opinion of the universe, unless stated explicitly :-)

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Hmm.. I said this first in reply to Mr.Judge:

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That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used. As against that he has given several original classical songs in other albums.

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and then this in the subsequent post :

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More of a direct tribute than remixing.

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Obviously you missed these and took selective comments out of context. whats funny is its me who actually pointed out to Mr.Judge that it was Alaipaayudhe title song and not "maangalyam thandhunaane" which was reused/remixed. And then a few posts later you came in and pointed out the very same song,as if totally unaware of the fact that I had talked about it earlier.

So although I was willing to consider that song as falling under remix category for the purpose of this discussion,in subsequent posts I expressed my own doubt as to how much of it is actual "remixing" and upon further thought said that I didnt think there was much remixing done in that song as it was just plain vocals, retaining the same tune and without any unwanted interludes added to present it like a typical TFM song, which is what YSR has done in kaNda naaL mudhalaai. So in that sense, its definitely less of a remix and more of a faithful reproduction.

and you are yet to answer the main point(which I see u have conveniently ignored) which is how "mellisaye" should be considered for copied song (although similarity is negligible) although 7GRC should be excused because it had only motif lifted :-) (and no one knows if the other motifs are original or not, but thats a different issue)

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Originally Posted by MADDY

do u mean to say IR remixed "maha ganapathim" in sindhu bharavi??? no vasanth, theres a lot of diff betn ARR's works and YSR's......

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Maddy I accepted for YSR's other remixes.(like "asai nooru vagai"). definitely that remixes are let down for u1.

But giving the BGM for the existing carnatic song is normal in TFM.( as Both IR and ARR have done this.) u1 did the same. So i dont think u1 only remixed and ARR created faithful reproduction.

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Originally Posted by vasanth2006

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Originally Posted by MADDY

do u mean to say IR remixed "maha ganapathim" in sindhu bharavi??? no vasanth, theres a lot of diff betn ARR's works and YSR's......

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Maddy I accepted for YSR's other remixes.(like "asai nooru vagai"). definitely that remixes are let down for u1.

But giving the BGM for the existing carnatic song is normal in TFM.( as Both IR and ARR have done this.) u1 did the same. So i dont think u1 only remixed and ARR created faithful reproduction.

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yes thats true......KNM cannot be called a remix.....i guess we somewhere got confused with u1's other remixes and this one......

got to tell you are very patient in replying to our charges..... :clap:

IMHO, U1 just expressed his creativity in his remixes. he showed TFM that 'Ok guys, this is another style of remix genre'. that's all... i think we should ignore this remix battle and discuss U1, ARR n HJ best compositions....their original work and BGM's....

A Quick Clarification

alai paayuthE song was composed by oothukadu venkata subba iyer, a krishna devotee. besides this, he has composed many other songs.

his songs have been extensively used by all and sundry including pithukuli murugadass (Maal Marugan - devotional album, IR (eththanai kOnam eththanai paarvai), etc and finally by ARR in alai payuthe.

other popular songs of his used liberally are aadaathE asaiyaathE, thaayE yasOdha, pullaai piravi thara vEndum, etc.

Calling these songs a remix is wrong.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

and how qualified are you to say that? :-)I can easily think of 2 other MDs who have given such classical songs in the past and who are capable of doing it well too-VS,ARR. Just because you are ignorant, it doesnt mean there arent qualified MDs around

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I guess you have technical knowledge but that does not stop you from making wrong judgements. If you are so confident about those mds classical based compositions, just quote me one classical based tamil album on par with SB from these guys.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

"Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf?"

Thats besides the point. The thing is even if they DO want to make a movie like that they wont go to Yuvan due to his suspect knowledge. When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

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No, what I am asking is a valid question here. If there are so much classical based songs/movies taken, then he should learn the technicalities to survive. Looking at the projects/subjects dished out by the industry now, I don't think they will even dare to venture into projects like SB anymore. So why you make so much fuss about things not even remotely possible.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

"Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey?"

That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used.

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I don't know about the title song, I haven't watched the full movie yet. I have watched it only in bits and pieces. But I vaguely remember that there is this background song (mangalyam thanthu... with usual tune but with modern beats) during the marriage scene. and AV was praising it. As I clearly said that I am not sure about it. Generally is it really hard to understand remix and original tunes?

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Originally Posted by MADDY

ARR's comeback is pretty well set i guess.......judge, get ready for the ARR onslaught in 2007...... 8-)

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Nope, I don't think he will comeback, he is gone forever. He will deliver ONLY THUNDUS in tamil in 2007, 2008, 2009 and so on.......The same will happen in Hindi too pretty soon.....

The only 50:50 chance he has is in Shivaji...., lets wait and see.

adikka varatheenga :)

" If there are so much classical based songs/movies taken, then he should learn the technicalities to survive. Looking at the projects/subjects dished out by the industry now, I don't think they will even dare to venture into projects like SB anymore. So why you make so much fuss about things not even remotely possible. "

Well he did get an opportunity to score for a classical song in kanda naal mudhal, didnt he? what did he end up doing? remixing. Although full blown classical albums might not be in vogue, that doesnt mean there is not a single situation where classical music is not needed. Godfather had a classical song-in an Ajith movie, nevertheless! Using your logic I could say- why does Srikanth Deva(or his father) need to compose original music? , since thats not needed in TFM anyways. He can easily survive mostly with lifted stuff, and he doesnt need to learn to compose originally.So its perfectly fine if he lifts. Right?


"I guess you have technical knowledge but that does not stop you from making wrong judgements. If you are so confident about those mds classical based compositions, just quote me one classical based tamil album on par with SB from these guys. "

You are making too many assumptions here. First of all to recognize that a particular MD has given several cassical compositions, I need not have great technical knowledge. But to pass a careless remark saying that they are incapable or unqualified, like you did, you really do need to be qualified. Or know something more that they dont know. If you dont, then you come across as just an empty loudmouth(which I guess you are anyways, judging by your last post above)

And secondly you have asked to me quote albums on par with SB. Instead I will cite several songs spread across different albums given by these MDs, since its all the same. All you need is just evidence of their ability, it doesnt have to be from a single album. VS has aalanguyil, thendral ennum ther yeri, entharo mahaanubhavulu(thyagaraja composition to which he has added WCM elements, in MFM) and even in light songs like Ding dong kovil ManI, he has used rare scales. Kanaa kaNdenadi is another excellent light classical song. There are many such instances to show his capability of raga-handling. Rahman has Minsaara kaNNa, sowkkiyama, kaNNodu kaaNbadhellam,innisai Alabedaiye to quote a few. Plus many light/light-classical songs in Duet, Pavithra and other films, which have pretty good raga usages in them. These are but a few examples which to me indicate these MDs are easily capable of delivering classical stuff when the demand arises.

Anyways I think I have wasted enough time answering you patiently, because Iam pretty its going to fall on deaf ears. You are worse than even some of the worst IR/ARR HCFs I have seen in DF in the last several years and I have seen some really bad ones. Atleast some of them, even if they belong to opposite camps occasionally acknowledge each other MD's efforts(like rajasaranam opened a thread for ARR's Bose sometime back). While you are stuck with your lame "thundu" analysis of ARR, beyond all redemption :-) Enjoy!