Yes. This episode of Siva-leela with His devotee Arjuna....Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
... is a part of Mahabharatha. But it has no relation with Kannappa.
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Yes. This episode of Siva-leela with His devotee Arjuna....Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
... is a part of Mahabharatha. But it has no relation with Kannappa.
Can someone enlighten me about Arjuna's Revenge on those who killed his son "Abhimanyu"? :)
I know that Abhimanu knows how to go into Chakra Vyugam but doesn't know how to come out.
Story Behind It: Krishna Explains to Draupathi about going into Chakra Vyugam when Draupathi is pregnant with Abimanyu. When he finishes on going into it, he sees that Draupathi has fallen Asleep. So he stops there not explaining how to come out. Thus Abhimanyu who listens to his inside Draupathi's Womb, knows how to go in, but not to come out.
So in Battle, Abimanyu goes into Chakra Vyugam, but doesn't know how to come out, so he contines to fight, and is eventually killed because he is enourmously outnumbered....
I know this much, but I don't know anything about Arjuna's Revenge. :)
Sorry, a little correction, if I may - Arjuna was explaining the chakravyuha to Subhadra when she was pregnant with Abhimanyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
:oops: Thanks for the correction! :)
Any info on the revenge? :)
Not Arjuna... Surya is correct by saying that it was Krishna.Quote:
Originally Posted by pamrang
Once Subhadra asked Krishna out of curiosity " Oh Krishna. I heard several Expert- warriors praise highly of Chakra-vyooham...
...one of the War-strategies to be challenged and fought out in a particluar order and sequence... by a SOLITARY WARRIOR . What is that great in it?"
Krishna replied..." Subhadra, you are thinking so cheap ot it, since you don't know its magnitude and might... to be fought against single-handedly...
.... while a huge Army stands in Concentric Circular-rows, one within the other.... protecting the Commander at centre....
... presenting a frightful image either to enter or exit."
"Then how can it be possible to be fought by a Single man facing a huge mass of Warriors." asked Subhadra
" Yes Subhadra, there lies the secret of its strategy. Rather it is a challenge. If nobody comes forward to face the challenge by the Enemy, it will mean a Silent acceptance of defeat.
So when all other War-tactics fail or dubious of Victory... the Wise warriors used to choose this tough alternative...
...which can be countered only by a Complex mights of Wisdom, Memory, Valour and multiple Warfare-competence.
As per the rules of Chakra-vyooham... some will be dummies at the specified locations... while some others the real warriors. Who are the dummies and who are not.... is the Secret...
Such order of locations used to be different for the Entry and Exit
Immediately when the Counter-warrior has succeeded the entry and reached its central point....
...there stands one Solitary warrior of Super might. .. who has to be won over singlehandedly prior to return.
After winning over him the Counterer has to unaffectedly get out of the Vyooham by fighting persistently ..
.. which Return-order conforms to another formulae and order of sequence.
So the Enemy army suddenly changes the locations immediately after successful entry.of the Counterer
So the most important factor is the particular order of Combat- force locations by its a standard... which has to be meticulously remembered and wisely followed by the Challenger.
In such and such order the Enemy Fight-locations has to be identified and felled down... but ignoring so and so dummy locations, even though posing terrific.... while entry and reach the Central warrior" said Krishna.to Subhadra.
Then Krishna just paused for a moment... when he heard a Voice from within the Womb of Subhadra..."Oohm"
Krishna was wonderstruck to know that another person too was over-hearing the Secret...
...although not intended for him being too early... as immature and not even a fully grown baby in the womb
By that time Subhadra's Snore was heard, since she fell fast asleep....
Then Krishna stopped describing further and left off.
But when the Kauravas challenged the warrior Abhimanyu who won over all his Combatants successfully by other warfares...
...Abhimanyu felt light of Chakra-vyooham and thought..." Oh I know how to enter. In the same order I can come out.(which was wrong as per Stipulations... but based on his Surmise or Assumptions)
So he RASHLY ventured into it, ignoring his elders advice. By means of his half-knowledge he could successfully advance by entry and defeat the Central warrior too.
But when he wrongly ventured in the same order while return...
...the enemies grouped against him and made him fall down from his chariot.
While he struggled to get up...against the onslaughts from five warriors all around...
.. Jayathradhan joined as the sixth man from behind... who repeatedly stabbed Abhimanyu from the back and miserably killed him like a Hunter on an animal...
... not like a Warrior with another equal, face to face... in the Battlefield.
Arjuna's contention was....
(1) No doubt my son Abhimanyu erred in his warfare... which could have been taken advantage of by proper means of moblising the right forces in greater magnitude as per stipulations.
And in such a course if my son was defeated or even killed, I wouldn't mind as was the case of Bheema's son Gatothgaja was felled down by Sakthi ayudham conforming to the Regulations of War.
There neither Bheema nor myself have any grievance... because in a war it is natural and acceptable.
But Abhimanyu was killed by six persons... all violating the stipulations of Chakra-vyooham....especially by stabbing at the back by Jayathradha ... the WORST UNFAIRNESS and CRUEL out of all.. So he is my deadliest enemy.
(2) While we feel aggrieved for the loss of our another Son Gadothgaja too, we are proud that his death was an honourable one... being Veera- maranham ... Death with Valour
..while my son Abhimanyu's death was caused by total Violations of SIX warriors simultaneously. ..which made him unable to not even pick up his arms fallen closeby on the ground....
... further worsened by Jayathradha killing like an Animal. thus Abhimanyu could not qualify himself for Veera-maranham...
...but only Narakam, even though a warrior who fought until the last moment for a noble cause.
It is a grave injustice to my great son... because of war-violations by the SIX Enemies... especially by Jayathradha.
(3) When challenged so by Arjuna... calling for Jayathradha to fight against Arjuna single-handedly...or seek an apology for his grave violation of warfare.... Jayathradha stealthily escaped without accepting the challenge and IGNORING two options offered by Arjuna.
This enraged Arjuna who felt " Jayathradha is a Coward to hide himself like a Thief instead of facing the Challenge from a warrior.".
He felt it shameful to leave a War-Defaulter cum Coward escape anymore unaffected.
So he determined as a Revenge...to search and kill Jayathradha...
...in which respect the Cunning game of Sakuni was foiled by Krishna's miraculous support.
The main Lessons here are ...
(1) Immature or incomplete knowledge will not help to achieve the Goal.
(2) Rashness in decisions... without realising the Realitty... or by the lack of adequate Self-assessment... will be disasterous.
So, similar to ....Thrishanku swargam.... Kattabomman-Veeraappu...
...ABHIMANYU- VIVEKAM....... has become another proverb.
ooh! correct me if I am wrong. Was it not supposedly predestined that Abhimanyu should die in war? Was it not the reason, Arjuna was called away by Krishna deliberately when he was half-way through his explanation to Subhadra? Atleast that's what I've heard say.
No. The Question of Arjuna does not arise here. Please see my post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by kannannn
OK. Thanks Sudhama. But about his going to 'Narakam', I remember Rajaji's 'Vyasar Virundhu', where he says he attains 'Veera Swargam'. Again correct me if I am wrong.
Sudhamma Ji,
Thanks you VERY MUCH for that very detailed and enlightening post! :D
On Arjuna's Revenge, and also on what Chakra Vyugam was! :D
Dear Sudhama sir and others, can some 1 pls answer these
1) What was Karna's bow, called?
2)What was Karna's Son called?
3) Didn't Arjuna kill Karna's son to take revenge for killing 'Assisted' Cowardly killing of Abhimanyu?