ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

"Packaging" is a vague term that people seem to use freely in the context of HJ/YSR. I have never figured out what it means musically(using gibberish words and unrelated sounds?). If a song becomes a hit its because it was "packaged" well. Whatever. I guess once you peel off the "wrapper", there would be nothing inside -applies to HJ/YSR

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Originally Posted by thumburu

How could we say YSR squandered away the opportunity to score a carnatic song? Just like ARR used "Alaipayudhe" to suit the title[May be Mani's choice], YSR might have used "Kanda naaL mudhalai" again to suit the movie title[may be on Dir Priya's insistence. .

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Maybe, but then how many other authentic classical songs has he done? Rahman has done several.

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Anyway IMO I welcome these tamil keerthanai in TFM as the common mass like me would get to know these precious gems atleast through films.

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Good idea for MDs like YSR. Every time they need a classical song for a situation they can take a not so well known classical song and add some interludes and present it.

Is Naina Milaike from Saathiya also a rework? :wink: Why ARR has to compose a original hindustani classical song for a dubbed version? Instead he might have picked some old classical song and reworked. Does that hint something? Yet, the song was bfully rendered by SSargam & MShree a rare female duet from ARR after "Sambho Sambho" - PM.

most of the rahman's classical hindustani songs heavily resembles nusrat fateh ali khan's songs. one of my punjabi friend who got is MA in hindustani music told me this...it seems even engey en punnagai frm taalam is a very very old clasical hindustani song...any clarification ?

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Originally Posted by sehnthan

most of the rahman's classical hindustani songs heavily resembles nusrat fateh ali khan's songs. one of my punjabi friend who got is MA in hindustani music told me this...it seems even engey en punnagai frm taalam is a very very old clasical hindustani song...any clarification ?

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nope......if u find some link then u can post it here.......

even his tere bina which is a tribute to Nursat's tere bina is so different from Nursat's original.......

Unale Unale :

http://rapidshare.com/files/7753410/UU.zip.html


Harreis Rocks Once Again.... :thumsbup:

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Well he did get an opportunity to score for a classical song in kanda naal mudhal, didnt he? what did he end up doing? remixing.

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The song was not set in carnatic surroundings (like doing a concert or classical dance scene) in the movie. The movie was targeted at urban young audience, so the director/MD has choices to do whatever they think is right for the movie. How do you know that the director gave Yuvan opportunity to do full classical number? What if she demanded that number in remix-ed (in your words) way?

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Although full blown classical albums might not be in vogue, that doesnt mean there is not a single situation where classical music is not needed. Godfather had a classical song-in an Ajith movie, nevertheless!

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I think the song is set to a classical dance number (correct me if I am wrong) in GF, is it comparable with IR's numerous classical dance numbers? I leave the answers to yourself.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Using your logic I could say- why does Srikanth Deva(or his father) need to compose original music? , since thats not needed in TFM anyways. He can easily survive mostly with lifted stuff, and he doesnt need to learn to compose originally.So its perfectly fine if he lifts. Right?

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There is no need to drag another person into our discussion. We can very well use VS & ARR names for copying, they have their own shares too. :)

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Originally Posted by vijayr

You are making too many assumptions here. First of all to recognize that a particular MD has given several cassical compositions, I need not have great technical knowledge. But to pass a careless remark saying that they are incapable or unqualified, like you did, you really do need to be qualified. Or know something more that they dont know. If you dont, then you come across as just an empty loudmouth(which I guess you are anyways, judging by your last post above)

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My point was even though one does not know technicalities, it is clear to see that Sindhu Bharavi kind of albums can be done only by IR and not by these guys. Pity you, you can't even make right assesments with your knowledge.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

And secondly you have asked to me quote albums on par with SB. Instead I will cite several songs spread across different albums given by these MDs, since its all the same. All you need is just evidence of their ability, it doesnt have to be from a single album. VS has aalanguyil, thendral ennum ther yeri, entharo mahaanubhavulu(thyagaraja composition to which he has added WCM elements, in MFM) and even in light songs like Ding dong kovil ManI, he has used rare scales. Kanaa kaNdenadi is another excellent light classical song. There are many such instances to show his capability of raga-handling. Rahman has Minsaara kaNNa, sowkkiyama, kaNNodu kaaNbadhellam,innisai Alabedaiye to quote a few. Plus many light/light-classical songs in Duet, Pavithra and other films, which have pretty good raga usages in them. These are but a few examples which to me indicate these MDs are easily capable of delivering classical stuff when the demand arises.

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Ok, you have given a few songs of them based on their raaga-handling ability. Can you list side-by-side their comparable songs with Sindhu bhairavi and see how they are faring? (ofcourse if you have enough time) I need to say about sangamam album. Before it was released, in his interview to AV, he proudly claimed that it was out and out classical album from him. Except margazhi song, i don't think he has done a good job and calling it a classical album is a joke. Just by giving one number here and there doesn't guarantee us a full classical albums from these guys. And we will not know the answer for it in tamil in our life-time, because such films will not see the limelight anymore. Until then you can think your opinions are right and I will think mine.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Anyways I think I have wasted enough time answering you patiently, because Iam pretty its going to fall on deaf ears. You are worse than even some of the worst IR/ARR HCFs I have seen in DF in the last several years and I have seen some really bad ones. Atleast some of them, even if they belong to opposite camps occasionally acknowledge each other MD's efforts(like rajasaranam opened a thread for ARR's Bose sometime back). While you are stuck with your lame "thundu" analysis of ARR, beyond all redemption :-) Enjoy!

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Look who is talking about deaf ears. Aren't you the one who thinks I-Know-Everything whenever someone questions your points? My advice to you is don't forget to show off your I-know-everything attitude wherever you go :wave:

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Originally Posted by dinesh2002

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/...FCS.As1NMvHdW/

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Thanks for the link....

Just like I said..fell on deaf ears :-)

I have given enough examples from both MDs which Mr. Judge has decided to ignore or probably couldnt comprehend. The examples dont have to be from a single album (although VS has won an award for a classical album). And Sindhubhairavi itself had 4 or 5 non-classical songs(thanni thotti, manadhil urudhi, paadariyen(the folk portions), naan oru sindhu. Also Mahaganapathim despite being classical was not IR's own). So it was not an out and out classical album either. So what matters is enough examples, they dont have to be from one album.

Anyways, since others have talked about Mr. Judge's reputation here, I'll just let him live in his delusional world. He has nothing substantial to say anyways.

"My point was even though one does not know technicalities, it is clear to see that Sindhu Bharavi kind of albums can be done only by IR and not by these guys."

Point of a HCIRF :D That alone is not enough, though. Since we are using the word "clear", I state the following for my part: Clearly, Vidyasagar can do it and do it with great success. Given time, clearly ARR also can do it. The following by ARR clearly prove it:

1) Minsara kanna
2) Sowkiyama Kanne
3) Kannodu kaanbathellam
4) Innisai AlabedaiyE
5) Azhage Sugama (listen to the violin at the ending, unmistakeably classical)

Add two or three melodies and a folk and you have a Sindhu Bairavi type of album.