Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

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Originally Posted by joe

Jihad is there ..But the understanding of the word 'Jihad' is the question.

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Pew Foundation's survey of muslims in islamic countries as well as in Europe concluded that majority of muslims are in favor of jihad to protect their interests!! there are tons of hadiths in the koran that have no value / relevance to todays world - 'stoning a woman to death at her father's doorsteps if she is not a virgin on the night of her wedding' is just one very eclectic/lofty example!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...punishment.htm

of course, men are exempt from all of this!

I would like Hassar to give his 'rational/atheistic' interpretation to the above, in one of his films - the same way he talks about/derides the beliefs (howsoever outdated they might be) of one group!

the problem is either one is a devout muslim and blindly accepts these dogmas or one embraces sufi islam which is more along the lines of our sitthars do!

however, there is the risk of inviting the wrath of 'apostasy' - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...2-apostasy.htm - "Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed" - if one tries to be a moderate muslim.

adding to all of this, is the way/manner in which local imams ensure that they are kept poor, uneducated - and even educated muslims carry some angst or the other - think of Saudi princes/sheikhs pouring in millions of petrodollars into madrassas in pakistan for promoting the extreme 'wahabbi' culture/viewpoints - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi - and kids attending these madrassas instead of conventional schools - you will get the picture of why the Kasabs can be easily brainwashed to do what they did on 26th November, 2008 !

Sam Harris's 'end of faith' is a brilliant narrative on all of this and much more

with or without american hegemony, islam wud have def needed reform! christianity embraced scientific viewpoints as well as reformist ideas such as civil rights etc etc, realizing that they were inevitable - judaism, despite the crazy zionist extremes, is by far the most liberal, amongst the judeo-christian-islamic traditions - most jews are almost agnostic (IMHO) / atheistic

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Originally Posted by irir123

there are tons of hadiths in the koran

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:rotfl: This is enough for your understanding . First of all , Hadiths cannot be in Koran ..So I don't think you know the meaning of 'Jihad'

Joe,enna comparisons panreenga.idhu dhaan perspective skewed in favour of right-a?I have not even touched on the persecution of the kashmir pandits.where should the real point about jihad from-internally. Is it coming?actually you are right,I will go nowhere here.

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Originally Posted by joe

Best example ,recently many including media talked about Pakistan flag hoisted in some muslim area in karnataka ,but later it was proved it was purposely done by Kaavi Kumpal ,not much reported and many don't know.. They have done in Thenkasi also .They have been doing this from ghandhi assassination .Wish not to talk much about this .

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சிறந்த உதாரணமே ஒட்டுமொத்த இந்தியா என வரும்போது ஏற்படுத்தும் அதிர்வுகள் ரொம்ப கம்மி. பெரும்பான்மையான மக்கள் இக்னோர் செய்துவிட்டு தங்களது சொந்த வேலையில் மூழ்கி விடுவார்கள். ஆனால் கசாபிற்கு கிடைக்கும் சலுகைகள் ஒவ்வொரு இந்தியனையும் நித்தமும் உலுக்கி எடுக்கும்.

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Originally Posted by joe

:rotfl: This is enough for your understanding . First of all , Hadiths cannot be in Koran ..So I don't think you know the meaning of 'Jihad'

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ok slipped there - agreed - so ? how many average muslims in a poor neighborhood know the difference when an imam recites from a hadith or the koran ?

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

சிறந்த உதாரணமே ஒட்டுமொத்த இந்தியா என வரும்போது ஏற்படுத்தும் அதிர்வுகள் ரொம்ப கம்மி. பெரும்பான்மையான மக்கள் இக்னோர் செய்துவிட்டு தங்களது சொந்த வேலையில் மூழ்கி விடுவார்கள். ஆனால் கசாபிற்கு கிடைக்கும் சலுகைகள் ஒவ்வொரு இந்தியனையும் நித்தமும் உலுக்கி எடுக்கும்.

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kasab's treatment is how India is bending over backwards to be an idealistic judiciary/democracy etc etc - but the arundhati roys and other intellectuals shed blood and tears for the poor, souls who only vented their anger against an unjust world on 26th november, 2008!

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

கசாபிற்கு கிடைக்கும் சலுகைகள் ஒவ்வொரு இந்தியனையும் நித்தமும் உலுக்கி எடுக்கும்.

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ஒவ்வொரு இந்தியனையும் நித்தமும் உலுக்கி எடுக்கும் - கற்பனைக்கே எட்டல :lol:

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Originally Posted by joe

:lol:

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:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

ஆனால் கசாபிற்கு கிடைக்கும் சலுகைகள் ஒவ்வொரு இந்தியனையும் நித்தமும் உலுக்கி எடுக்கும்.

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கசாபை கசாப்பு பண்ணவேண்டும் என்று கொந்தளிக்கும் சக-இந்தியர்களின் எண்ணிக்கை தான் உலுக்கி எடுக்கிறது.

irir123, every religion has unsavoury texts - silapala homam incantations bear liberal footprints of primitive pasts. Are we going to wave texts at each other and base our arguments on that? There are liberal interpretations and right wing nut-job interpretations. We all know that.

Anyway, all this is to be taken to a different thread, why do you expect Kamal to 'expose' Islam?