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Spot 2 differences between this and feeyar's "natural order".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Denness
.Ulagauthala ella countrykaaranukkum defined behaviour irukku adhai thaandi avan varavE koodaadhu. "Natural"A behave paNNanum - Prabhu Ram, 2012 copyrightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rajaji
Let's assume Spain doesn't have any Indians as of date. Let's assume a indian doctor applies a job in Spain.
Here's a visa interview by Visa Officer Prab Ramos:
Doctor aspirant damodaran: I'd like to go to spain and take up a career opportuintiy in medicine
Visa Officer Prab Ramos: edhuukkudA? Spainla vEra endha thuRailayum Indian illaiyE? Idhukku mattum edhukku? Spainla neRaiya Indians coffee shopla work paNdradhuku, appuRam mAttu vaNdi OttaRadhukku adhukkellAm vandhappuRam nee DoctorA vandhA pOdhum.
Doctor aspirant damodaran: :confused2:
:rotfl:
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Prab Ramos
Next day civil engineer chitra appears for a Visa interview for a job in Spain.
visa officer prab ramos: chitra poNNu, spainla edhunA indian Cricket Adi pArthurukkiyA? Spainla paravalA indians cricket aadattum. Appo nee engineerA pOnA, adhu naturalA irukkum. Dhideernu nee engineerA pOREngaradhu artificialA illai? Idhu epdi irukku? Muhahahahaha
indrilirnhdu indha paradox Prab Ramos Paradox endru anbodu azhaikka padumQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PRAB RAMOS PARADOX
Just now got hold of this video. A staggering Assault :shock:
Kevin Pietersen 91(65)* - Australia v England at Bristol 2005 Natwest Series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gWvS3wWvhA
Pietersen absolutely massacres Australia. Kills both Gillespie and Kasprowicz. Only Mcgrath is spared. Shane Watson is brutalized and he behaves just like a wanker. P'sen Gives him a mouthful too :lol:. And his ODI Record is staggering at that time at an abg of 100+ with 3 100's. Ivan ellam Eng velayadalainna innum muppadhu varushathukku ingilaandhu dhathi aa than irundhirupaanga. And people tell me SA Imports haven't helped them much. I can Never EVER imagine an Englishman playing this kind of a knock against a top quality side like Aus in their prime.
Earlier in my posts here I had given a bad example citing fielding. SA imports have definitely bolstered Eng batting.
As a long suffering fan, you think I am not painfully aware of this? John Crawley mEla ellAm ticket eduththirukkEn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Yes I live in a well. I don't travel to other forums. I don't read comments columns, magazine articles about cricket politics etc. I don't care what other England fans think (and thus have no sense of their antics, which I understand you and LM).Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I am merely giving you my opinion based on what I think is 'natural' immigration, extension of a tradition, even of - as you rightly point out - is happening in a more focussed, conscious manner than earlier - versus the counterpart example you and Plum gave, of India fielding phoren players.
I never called it indigenous - I said I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I never called it better than the invincibles - that again is your insinuation.
I see any refusal to condemn phoren recruitment is being conflated with blind English support -to the extent of calling this team an ATG.
I don't think I have even called this the best English team ever, have I?
Exactement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
England-kum adhE reason dhaanEyyA solREn :think2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
nyAya dharmam - again and again - your sorry attempt to thrust word in my mouthsu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I am saying that such a rule, were it to come, will prevent England also from using players from everywhere. No more H1Bs. Thus putting an end to a tradition by a simple bull-headed insistence on equating the Indian and English circumstances.
Gymnastics-nnuveengaLE.
Britis tradition ozhiyaNum 'ndreenga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
puriyudhu. Dontorry...nichchayam orunaaL nadakkum.
naanellAm kaila oru kaRuppu ribbon kuththittu vaayai moodittu OramA pOyi ukkAndhukkuvEn. 'adhellAm oru kaalam hmmm' nu pErappiLLaingaLukku kadhai solluvEn.
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Originally Posted by Feddy
paal-la yEdhAvadhu kutram kuRai irundhaa...ivar maNi. mERkoNdu paal vENumnA, naan ramaNi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
They've been playing international matches for ages before that. Routinely played in the Asia Cup since the late 80s. Surely you know that better than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
It wasn't as if they played '99 WC and voila the case was made.
Ireland - nallA varuveenga thambri, of course.
But enna paNNittAinga?
Like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Kenya was consistently the best associate nation. IIRC they won two ICC trophies back to back, right? Played continuously from the '96 WC. Had top-class batsmen like Tikolo. Thrilled the world by making it to the '03 SFs. Even they didn't get the test cut. adhuvum England sadhiyA??
ungaLukku edhu dhaan sadhi illai. ellAththukkum oru interpretation. Naan simple face-value terms-la pEsikittu irukkEn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Oh ok. Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
namburadhum nambAdhadhum unga ishtam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
indha maadhiri uruppadiyAna points sonnA, naan yEn appadi sollappOREn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Whatever helps maintain the game the way I saw it when I started watching it is good - early 90s.
Whatever changes it radically is bad. Whatever makes good contests possible is good. Whatever makes it lopsided is bad.
How's that for 'goody goody'?
:sigh2: Like what I say? Everything I am saying, I am saying in the broadest possible manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Like when Swann says nasty things and gets away with it, that is outright unfair.
When Atherton - captain of the bloody side- tampers with the ball - that is wrong.
Similarly when Broad doesn't get pulled up for the offences, which'd've got others in soup.
When England have a team composed of players from everywhere - that's not wrong
If India, in the future, attempts to do something of that sort - it'd be ridiculously wrong.
And in response were a rule to be imposed preventing every country from getting players from everywhere - that'd be unfortunare but that'd be the right thing to do, to prevent a farce.
Plain and simple. Case by case.
Play each ball on its merits 'mbAingaLE - or perhaps is that also a tradition that should be done away with.
indha veto 'ngradhu ennadhu?Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
If all countries in the ICC vote in favour of one thing and Eng votes against it, Eng prevails is it?
If so, that seems very odd and is one tradition that can be gotten rid off for sure.
abaaramaana puridhal Plum :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I think you understand what I am saying but are just intent on presenting it in poor light to here.
You intentionally miss what I am saying about India -as a society - not having enough phoreners for it to make sense to have a team composed of them. andha context-la 'natural' nu use paNNEn. And you know and understand that very well.
Yet you channel your inner Ram Jethmalani and hang-on to the word to make these kinds of remarks. Kulakkalvi! really? :huh:
To engage with the point, this IS the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Your question is: "Why are you treating cricket as special? Why can't treat it like every other immigration?"
The answer is: "because I have got into my head that a team representing the nation, should looked like people drawn from it. Definitely not proportional representation (like the US track and field team may be nearly all black). But it would be odd to have a bunch of foreigner, who are pretty much in no other field, except that sport. Then it begins to sound like this IPL, BPL style club cricket teams.
avvaLO dhaam 'pA.
Yep. The converse is not true. idhai naanE sonnEnE, neenga enna solRadhu? Reciprocity edhirpArkkureenga pOla. Unfortunately adhu anga illai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I guess someone, somewhere told you that. For I sure didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feddy
On the contrary, I said KP is nothing like anything. It was not like a 'skill' was imbimbed by the team from KP.
Wizzy made the point about Trott's gumption - I am not sure I agree with him that that was trait that didn't exist earlier.
KP and Trott are very good batsmen and have given the team a lot of strength. Of course this is true, illainnA vettikku avaingaLAi team-ai eduththu vachchuruppAingaLaakkum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feddy
btw Flintoff silapala pattaiyai kiLappum knock-gaL aadi irukkAn enbadhai thaazhmaiyudan theriviththuk kOLgiREn.
The last test in the Basil D'Olivera where Tresco got a double hundred - and thus levelled the series (vaaganam captaincy), he made a 90 odd. Against Pollock, Ntini.
IIRC it was Stewart's last match, they put together the partnership that got them the lead and eventually the win.
The previous match, which they lost succumbing to Ntini excellence, Flintoff made a powerful century partnering with the tail.
And you are of course forgetting the knocks he played in your favourite series - the 2005 Ashes against Lee-Gillespie-Warnie.
Remember Edgbaston? They were some 60 for 6 when he smashed them back into the match to come back and bowl them to victory.
Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Article by Derek Pringle about batsmen whining when they don't have the advantage
And one commentator there said:
:lol:Quote:
So pitches that make ordinary bowlers look like demons are welcomed by Pringle? No surprise there.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings...ge/211271.html
Aus new number 3 now. Vachukongada dei.
"Well, this will be your last Test."
Darren Sammy responds to Ricky Ponting's comment that Chris Gayle should be West Indies' captain, during a bit of on-field banter at the Dominica Test.
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Ponting :rotfl2:
See, it is one thing to say that 'it suits my(feeyar)ls mental comfort to have foreigners not playiong for India" as against " they should legislate against such a thing". Or imply that it would be a great thing if this is banned even if England had to connive using cunning to get that done. Ends justify the means, eh? Adhu mollamaarithanam but kinthu en mindsetukku oththu pOgudhu so adhai naan support pandrennu sollunga. Appo Lemon soos kudichu indha debate-ai niruthikkuvom
Avan captain velayae pudungitaanga. Andha gaandula pesirupaan. :rotfl:
Excedllent comment in a guardian article by a commenter called "Bumboclart", who is a fierce critic of WICB, and is known to have inside knowledge through West Indian cricket sources of happenings in ICC. It seems like in 2007-08, WI were lured to a tour of England(Test tour) by offering money to the WICB. England had to do this because they had a gap in the schedule because they refused to entertain Zimbabwe. It seems like WICB forced Gayle and others to hurriedly assemble for this tour, which affected their IPL Commitments, which ahd been pre-planned assuming no such tour in the horizon. Yet, the English press painted Gayle as the villain, and cornered him into saying "I dont care if Test Cricket dies", which were essentially made as a reactionary statement by Gayle. And they conveniently painted IPL and BCCI as the villains of the piece killing test cricket by luring Gayle into playing IPL just tow days before the England tour of Windies starts.
Suc
h is their cunning and villainy. The real villains of the piece were ECB there. But since they espouse test cricket, avanga enna azhichaattiyam vENA paNNalAm. Feeyar will support. namma enna incident sonnAlum "pooh avLO dhAnA", "idhukku proof irukkA"-na vENdiyadhu.
You can look up the net on how this tour wasnt part of the ICC FTP and was horned in by England after they candelled the Zim tour. Circumstantial evidence supports bumblocart.
idhell
aam teheriyaamale, unconditionalA England are deivamsnu pEsa vENdiyadhu. Vishayam theriyalaina summA irukkaNum.
Note: Gayle and co didnt receive any extram payment for this extra tour by WICB. ECB never bothered for nyaayam and dharmam there. English press never bothered for facts there. They jus painted England as saviours of test ciricket, and Gayle as a villaun of the piece who was foregoing a test commitment for IPL
If you refuse to understand there is little I can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
You have gotten it into your head because that my support for England is because I think ECB is a knight in shine in armour defending the game's interests. No.
Bolded part is your incessant, consistent, unsubstantiated prevarication calculated to incite the lay reader into a strong disfavour against yours truly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Flay: Tomorrow England will do x,y,z if it so suits them
I yam: Quite possible and that would not be a bad thing, necessarily
idhukku ivvaLavu dham katteenga.
I don't like chucking. It fundamentally changes the game as I know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Any legislation that helps keep things as they are, gets my support.
Tomorrow if there is a legislation revokes the recognition of T20 as admissible cricket format, I'll throw you all a grand party :mrgreen:
Despite the distinct possibility of all the above allegations happening, should Gayle have reneged on his lucrative IPL contract for a chance to play for WI - is what it boils down to. ECB forced WICB to force Gayle to be unprofessional, which naturally pissed him off - is your karuththu. You have rightly anticipated my take. ennadA periya T20, ennadA periya professionalism.
Now if Gayle had been forced to play some Eng-WI T20 instead of IPL, I guess my reaction would be ambivalent. adhai namburadhum nambAdhadhum unga ishtam.
Again and again and again - all my reactions are just based on the game.
T20 ozhiyaNumQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
England dhaan World Champions enRaalum
Online England cricket fans adhai serious-A namburadhA irundhaalum
ozhiyaNum.
idhukku AustraliavO yaarO yEdhAvadhu senjA, adhaiyin support paNNuvEn.
Basically enakku viLayAttu dhaan mukkiyam.
Adhaavadhu your beliefs are sarcosanct. Any mollamaarithanam done by anyone ok as long as your nterests are served. Just because you dlike, oru vishayaththaienna illegal immoral vechu venaa azhikkalaam. You will supportnaadhaaris just because they hapo support your cause. Corrupt dictators wqilproud of you :thumbsup:
There is no place for democracy in art.
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The decision has been taken before the main Test series of the summer, during which will several SouthAfrica-born England players line up against their native country.
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The new regulation will apply to all players who take up residency in England after their 18th birthday. Those who arrive before the age of 18 will have to wait only four years.
An ECB spokesman said: “It is an attempt to try and support England-qualified players. There is a lot of investment in player pathways from the bottom upwards. This is a move designed to support our system.”
expected with falling spin stocks :clap:Quote:
The ECB has retained discretion to reduce the residency period to four years for players born in a non-Test playing nation, which would apply to Irishmen such as Somerset spinner George Dockrell and Middlesex batsman Paul Stirling.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...d-players.html
Any maNNin maindhargaL lobby that is forcing England to do such things?
First comment there..
idhai chonnA nammaLai paithiyakkArandrAingaQuote:
You can be a British citizen after 4 years of legal stay in this country and why should we have a separate cut-off for professional cricketers?
might be do with Kolpak ruling with counties taking undue advantage in fielding overseas players
some more dopeQuote:
Under the Kolpak ruling a player from any nation sharing an associate trading relationship with the EU is free to play as a professional within the EU. Since the ECB allows only two overseas players for each county, this ruling enables the counties to circumvent the limitation and hire professionals from outside England, especially from South Africa.
Speaking after 22-year-old Highveld Lions batsman Vaughn van Jaarsveld became the latest player to sign a Kolpak contract, Majola told the South African Press Association, "We are particularly worried about the young players taking up Kolpak contracts. We have invested a lot of money in them, through the national cricket academy and in other ways."
"Vaughn is a case in point. We have been watching him since he was at school. We could see he had something special, now he has indicated that he wants to try to qualify to play for England, and our investment in him is lost."
Majola said that England was as badly affected by the ruling as South Africa. "Because of the strength of the pound, they can get a better and cheaper Kolpak player than an English player. This means that English players are having difficulty coming through the system."
"The whole Kolpak thing is affecting international cricket, with more and more players opting to play county cricket. If nothing is done, you'll find the world's best players on the county circuit, with second string players representing their countries, and international cricket will just go downhill."
PR.. the eligibility is 5 completed calendar years.. wrong info'nala correct pannen, nothing moreQuote:
Originally Posted by P_R
First question yourself - are you arguing here seriously with due respect to facts and logic. England-ai poRuththa mattilum ipdi logic pEsuvInga. adhE mAdhiri if we get a New Zealand or Aussie fast bowler legally here, adhukku matttum pre-emptiveA "not natural"-nu oru sambandamE illAdha argument koNdu varInga? Arent you ashamed of your illogic?Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Secondly, artla democracy - is that to bait me? What kind of stupid thing to bring in here? Have you lost your sense of logic? Artla democracy koodAdhunuu sonnEn yes. endha contextla? enna meaningla? Lets take an example - I dont like Vijay so I'd say he is a bad actor irrespective of how many crore people say he is good. That is the extent of that argument. Would I (or you ) say that suppose Vijay-ai pidikkAdha oruththar avarai pOttu thaLLittA, it is good only because the net result - of that meaning that Vijay doesnt act in movies any more - is to my liking?
What you are saying is that you dont like IPL - that's fine. You are saying you will ignore it. Fine. You are saying no matter how many millions hail it, you'll call ti a tamasha only. Fine. But where you are crossing the line is that "if someone hurts the IPL, irrespective of the legality and professionalism of it, I will support it and call ti a sport-saving act". Arent you ashamed to claim this? Arent you ashamed to try and give that "Art democracy" quote as if you are kidukki pidichufying me by quoting me on that? idhellAm dhAn unga honest argumentA? ennamO ennai mattum nAn ungaLai bad-A kANbikka apdi pEsarEnnu sonnInga? idhellAm enna?
You keep saying "Show me examples of ECB doing wrong". But whenever we show, you pooh piooh it or bring some such stupid arguments to make it look "idhellam sarva saadharanam". idhula you think you are being perfectly reasonable here, eh?
Take the WI tour example - it is akin to your management getting you and your team to do work for a side-project over the weekends without paying you, asking you to do extra work outside your contract. You seem to be in full support of it just because it is Chris Gayle who is getting affected, not you. Would you do that? Arent you ashamed to support such an act by ECB just because it suits your opinions?
Oh ok. adhu mAmbazham, idhu vAzhappazham, aanaa prachchanai ellAm oNNu dhaan.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgb
Not ashamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
I think I myself told you the greatest contradiction of all. Sonia Gandhi becoming PM of India would not seem odd to me. Albie Morkel opening the bowling would.
idhukku mEla enna solla mudiyin? :huh:
Racism-naalum oru consistency vENdAmA. enakku adhuvum kidaiyAdhu. Case-by-case basis.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
What you are up against here is not illogic, but cold amoral logic. It is the decided amorality that you find staggering. I understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
pOttu thaLLittA - rejected as analogy. adhellAm inciting-kaaga neenga solRadhu. idhai thaan invidious writing 'ngrEn. Even you don't mean that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
Get him/genre muzzled- is a more appropriate analogy. Let me respond to that..
You are far more democratic than me in saying 'each to his own'. I am not.
So if the powers muzzled the genius of Murali for their own politics, as you allege, it does not concern me. It keeps the game 'clean'.
If Ranatunga fights against the 'oppression' and thus gives everyone the leeway to chuck, then it annoys me because it messes with the game, regardless of what the balance-of-power implications are.
True. I agree I am aware of crossing the line when I enjoy what-I-don't-like being frustrated by political developments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
Art in democ. was an expression equa. used when talking about multiple readings, intentional fallacy etc. That is where I picked it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
I make it a point never to insinuate, show-opponent-in-poor-light in a debate. In fact I go out of the way to react so, even when juicy opportunities present themselves. idhellAm neenga thara vENdiya compliment, enakku naanE sollikka vENdi irukku. thalaiyezhuththu.
No. It gets worse, read the rest of the post..Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
adhukku munnAdi...irunga oru position-la pOyi ninnukkurrEn:
Real tolerance does not exist, what we do not value we make a virtue of tolerating in others - Chachaji Nehruji
What arguments have I pooh-pooh'ed Plum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
Changing bouncer-rule, changing fielding rules arbitrarily, bias in refereeing, bodyline was invented by England - idhellAm oththukka dhaanE seyREn.
I will pooh-pooh switch-hit conspiracy-theories every day of the week. So?
Totally agree. It is wrong in principle - assuming it is true, as it likely is. I just liked it that they attempted to mess with IPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flau
If you call me unprincipled, selfish, objective maximizer - then I will take it without a whimper of protest, or - to use your word - shame.
But if you call me a 'blind' ECB apologist - then I disagree. avvaLo dhaan solREn.
Tomorrow if England wins several T20 worldcups on the trot(t) and India/Aus ally to ensure T20 gets derecognized as a format, I would like you to have no doubt in your mind, that I will be ecstatic.
You thought I was kidding when I say things like, I'd love to see the stock market bottom out? :-| ennOda petulance-ai humour-nu ninaichutteenga pOla.
That's a bit disappointing Plum. oru siladhu viLayAttukku solRavan dhaan. aanaa appappO seriousAvum pEsuvEn. adhai makkaL madhikkiRadhillai. Woody Allen also same problem.
Brain-drain argument. On every IIT-ian the exchequer spends...Quote:
Originally Posted by Majola
Not at all denying this. But what is special about cricket compared to other fields?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majola
Onaai nanaiyudhEnnu aadu azhudhudhaam :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majola
Thanks - you are just like the Englishmen you support, then. No Wonder you like them. nInga 1900sla poRandhurndhA. Rao bahadur, Rai bAhadur (depending on whetehr you were born in South or North) vAngi iruppinga. Ofcourse, you'll take that as a compliment.
I am going to call you Rao Bahadur Prabhu Ramar henceforth. Her Majesty, the queenOda Indian representative adhigAri illaiyA?
enna analogy edhu :???: pliss to compare the fees from early 00s to now..with abysmal state of research at all our esteemed institutes students are probably spending more..less said about the plight of students taking post-graduates in India the better also US can survive w/o them and they would probably get a competent Chinky/Filipino for every IITian but can't say the same about English cricket vis a vis mercenaries ;-) your brain-drain argument would have hold some water had SA wasn't test nation :-)Quote:
Brain-drain argument. On every IIT-ian the exchequer spends...
lack of home grown talent/inherent laziness to find/groom a talent w.r.t cricket and with counties looking for shortcuts to championship.Quote:
Not at all denying this. But what is special about cricket compared to other fields?