IR News and Other Titbits Ver.2009

I always have the feeling from the way he talks and behaves that he does not like business to interfere in the way of his music. When we take away the mandatory style for promoting albums whether filmi or non-filmi, thalaivar does not seem to bother about the rest. He is just like i do the music and you guys do the rest.

If he ever does a album again, he should be strongly focussed in the other parts but looking at his style i feel he will just do it and leave the rest to the producers. While i too would like something to happen, i feel that he is seemingly happy with what he is doing and wunt be coming out unless there is a challenge(Thiruvasagam happened when he gave a different structure to a existing composition lazlo kovacs was pondering on and he thought of trying it with Thiruvasagam)

Besides thalaivar does have global recognition although not that of obvious appeal but atleast amongst musicians. His collaboration with lazlo kovacs pays testimony to this. :D

TiS is a done project - 4 years old - too long a time in this age to even talk about - its biggest limitation being the language barrier - besides the one 'Polla vinaiyen', the rest of the album though topnotch has no appeal for an international audience even amongst select classical music lovers, thanks to the language barrier - the lack of proper sleeve notes with English translation, lack of CD availability online etc made it worse.

in the overall context, IR himself is a problem for his music! look at the lyrics of 'ulagam ippo enge pogudhu' - full of sentimental as well as mystical rubbish - ex "pattiniyum, paamararum, Bharathathin selvamandro ?' - "hunger and poverty are India's wealth" - it is IR's gleeful endorsing of such lyrics makes me seriously rethink about his mind going kaput - with this kind of a mindset, i sincerely doubt if he himself would do anything to motivate himself for better projects - which will not happen if he sticks to his present circle of 'aamaam saami' jalras which is what he seems to like and be content with!

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Originally Posted by crajkuma_be

Hulk, the point is, you always take the line that "IR never cares about this, that" etc as though there were no objectives and the results have no bearing etc etc.. adha thaan address panren..

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Unfortunately that is exactly the case with IR. do you remember the meeting we had during TIS where Fr.Jegath openly stated that 'its only the people around him, who are creating problems'. Do you want to say that IR doesn't know that had SONY been given the rights for TIS, it would've been a phenomenal success? The thing is IR doesn't care about all this. for him making music is more imp. and for some people around him who have control over the financial issues 'short term' money making goal are more imp.

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Originally Posted by irir123

...which will not happen if he sticks to his present circle of 'aamaam saami' jalras which is what he seems to like and be content with!

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There are some things which are beyond his control in financial issues AFAIK. he talk and breathes only music and left out everything else regarding the promotion and finance to some of his close aides who doesn't have a proper vision.
I have only a wishful thinking for Yuvan to intervene and take up the PR position of his dad which can create wonders.

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

I have only a wishful thinking for Yuvan to intervene and take up the PR position of his dad which can create wonders.

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I don't think so. Looks like YSR is struggling currently - after the marital break-up and slow-down of successes in TF. Moreover he lost one of his biggest partner directors as well.

In just a few years of career, YSR has got into so much of trouble - unlike his dad who was in top spot in south for almost 15 yrs before so many forces fought against him. Interestingly, he is still in the news.

Over 800 albums, lot of accolades for >3 decades, 65 plus, all children somewhat settled.

I think IR is doing what he enjoys at this point of time (and perhaps also interested in taking care of his long-time crew members financially).

I don't see him crying for recognition / being ambitious etc.

Also, often we hear this term "people around him" "jalras" etc.

Who exactly are these?

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Also, often we hear this term "people around him" "jalras" etc.

Who exactly are these?

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athellaam Insider informations :P

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Also, often we hear this term "people around him" "jalras" etc.

Who exactly are these?

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athellaam Insider informations :P

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:)

What I meant was the "role" of these people. Obviously nobody will tell / publish names here.

However, like in the case of ammA (or sometimes appA) of a heroine playing spoilsport, seriously, who from IR's side is creating troubles for him? That too at this stage?

From what I read so far about him, it may not be that difficult for any established director or production house to get an appointment from him. Even aspirants have always been able to get his time and take him on board with their assignments. (As recently as vAlmeeki). Then where's this question of another "agent / broker" coming in-between, creating trouble?

Is this related to "rate"? Again I've read many stories about how he did at very low cost, even free of cost etc to certain projects. In any case, this can at the max be an irritant (just like "rate" negotiations in every other case / place) but need not have a great impact on the end-product.

I'm definitely sure that BR / KB / MR didn't go away from him because there were some "jalras" who irritated them :wink:

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Originally Posted by irir123

In the overall context, IR himself is a problem for his music! look at the lyrics of 'ulagam ippo enge pogudhu' - full of sentimental as well as mystical rubbish - ex "pattiniyum, paamararum, Bharathathin selvamandro ?' - "hunger and poverty are India's wealth" - it is IR's gleeful endorsing of such lyrics makes me seriously rethink about his mind going kaput - with this kind of a mindset, i sincerely doubt if he himself would do anything to motivate himself for better projects - which will not happen if he sticks to his present circle of 'aamaam saami' jalras which is what he seems to like and be content with!

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சரியா சொன்னிங்க irir123. இதே கருத்தைத்தான் நான் நேற்று இங்கு எழுதலாம்னு நினைத்து, பதிவேற்றம் செய்யும் நேரத்தில் வேண்டாமென்று அழித்து விட்டேன். ராஜாவின் எண்ணங்களைச் சொல்லும் பாடலாகவே "உலகம் இப்போ எங்கே போகுது" என்ற பாடலை மக்கள் அனைவரும் நினைக்கும்போது, முரண்பாடுகள்தான் மிச்சமாகிறது.

"பட்டினியும், பாரமரரும் பாரதத்தின் செல்வமன்றோ" என்ற வரிகளை கடக்கும் போது, ராஜா கோடிக்கணக்கில் பணத்தை மூகாம்பிகை கோயிலில் தானமாக கொட்டியதை என்னையும் அறியாமல் நினைத்துப் பார்க்கத் தூண்டுகிறது.

உலகமே கிராமமாக மாறிவருகிற சூழ்நிலையில் இன்னமும் மாறி வரும் மாற்றத்தை பற்றி விமர்சிப்பது சரியான பார்வையே அல்ல. இளைஞர்கள் ஏன் வெளிநாட்டிற்கு செல்ல ஆசைப்படுகிறார்கள்? ராஜாவைப் போல தானும் ஒரு மாளிகை கட்டணும், வசதிகளையும் பெருக்கணும் என்பதற்குத்தானே. அவருக்கு அந்த காலத்தில் பண்ணைபுரத்திலிருந்து சென்னை. இளைஞர்களுக்கு இப்போது தமிழ் நாட்டிலிருந்து மற்ற நாடுகள். மதுரையைத் தாண்டி சென்னைக்கு வரும்போது, நாம் சென்னையைத் தாண்டி விமானம், கப்பல் ஏறுவதில் என்னத் தவறு?

ஒருவேளை எனது பார்வை தவறா? இல்லை ராஜாவின் பார்வை தவறா?

Can someone post the complete lyric of that 'ulagam engE pOguthu' song?

Just to make sure one can understand the context of the line being talked about, before commenting on it...

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

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Originally Posted by irir123

In the overall context, IR himself is a problem for his music! look at the lyrics of 'ulagam ippo enge pogudhu' - full of sentimental as well as mystical rubbish - ex "pattiniyum, paamararum, Bharathathin selvamandro ?' - "hunger and poverty are India's wealth" - it is IR's gleeful endorsing of such lyrics makes me seriously rethink about his mind going kaput - with this kind of a mindset, i sincerely doubt if he himself would do anything to motivate himself for better projects - which will not happen if he sticks to his present circle of 'aamaam saami' jalras which is what he seems to like and be content with!

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சரியா சொன்னிங்க irir123. இதே கருத்தைத்தான் நான் நேற்று இங்கு எழுதலாம்னு நினைத்து, பதிவேற்றம் செய்யும் நேரத்தில் வேண்டாமென்று அழித்து விட்டேன். ராஜாவின் எண்ணங்களைச் சொல்லும் பாடலாகவே "உலகம் இப்போ எங்கே போகுது" என்ற பாடலை மக்கள் அனைவரும் நினைக்கும்போது, முரண்பாடுகள்தான் மிச்சமாகிறது.

"பட்டினியும், பாரமரரும் பாரதத்தின் செல்வமன்றோ" என்ற வரிகளை கடக்கும் போது, ராஜா கோடிக்கணக்கில் பணத்தை மூகாம்பிகை கோயிலில் தானமாக கொட்டியதை என்னையும் அறியாமல் நினைத்துப் பார்க்கத் தூண்டுகிறது.

உலகமே கிராமமாக மாறிவருகிற சூழ்நிலையில் இன்னமும் மாறி வரும் மாற்றத்தை பற்றி விமர்சிப்பது சரியான பார்வையே அல்ல. இளைஞர்கள் ஏன் வெளிநாட்டிற்கு செல்ல ஆசைப்படுகிறார்கள்? ராஜாவைப் போல தானும் ஒரு மாளிகை கட்டணும், வசதிகளையும் பெருக்கணும் என்பதற்குத்தானே. அவருக்கு அந்த காலத்தில் பண்ணைபுரத்திலிருந்து சென்னை. இளைஞர்களுக்கு இப்போது தமிழ் நாட்டிலிருந்து மற்ற நாடுகள். மதுரையைத் தாண்டி சென்னைக்கு வரும்போது, நாம் சென்னையைத் தாண்டி விமானம், கப்பல் ஏறுவதில் என்னத் தவறு?

ஒருவேளை எனது பார்வை தவறா? இல்லை ராஜாவின் பார்வை தவறா?

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whatever be the context in which IR must have endorsed such crazy lyrics, IMHO, for sometime, IR seems to be trapped in a time-cum-spiritual warp, often confusing himself with what he perceives as the 'ideal' spiritual life and getting it mixed up with his projects etc - every now and then when he gets to work with someone like Kamal, for instance, he is brought back to 'mortal' earth and Kamal manages to get stunners out of him - 'Mumbai Xpress' is one fine example - the blabbering about 'cinema saththiyama, vaazhkai nijama, sathhiyama' etc at the Valmiki audio release function only adds credence to my observation