Oh thanks, eagerly waiting for your write up of the song "Othamal oru naalum iruka vendam" from this movie :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
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Oh thanks, eagerly waiting for your write up of the song "Othamal oru naalum iruka vendam" from this movie :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#272 வாசலிலே பூசணிப்பூ வச்சுப்புட்டா வச்சுப்புட்டா
(செண்பகமே செண்பகமே , 1988 , ஜானகியுடன்)
I think this is the first song we feature in this collection where SPB sang for Ramarajan. So, let's welcome makkaL nAyakan aka pasu nEsan to the thread! (The previous hit albums had other singers; enga ooru pAttukkAran was perhaps the first big hit music album of IR-Ramarajan combo and it featured mainly Mano...there was no SPB in grAmaththu minnal or enga ooru kAvakkAran).
Very colorful celebrity (not just based on his shirt colors but his "Hollywood style marriage-divorce", indulgence in politics etc apart from his "once-upon-a-time-ability" to get people to watch "colorful" nAdan movies...looks like he is a "puli pasiththAlum pullaiththinnAdhu" category; i.e. didn't switch to character artist role to ensure money-flow but still trying to release movies as a hero it seems...did his 'mEdhai' release for this pongal?). Well, regardless of his otherwise career, what interests us most is his association with IR as MD that enriched TFM so much! I would even go to the extent of saying that IR had created a new genre in TFM during his association with this grAmaththu hero!
This song is a quintessential example of such genre - the "IR-TFM-folk-Ver.2" genre as I would like to call - which is distinctly different from what he did during his initial days (read annakkiLi / chittukkuruvi) and during his association with BR. These are not complex in orchestration or construction like the machchAna / sendhoorappoovE kinds, IMHO. Typically these IR-TFM-folk-V2 songs have simple construction : signature tabla-bass-chords background, prelude / interludes using plenty of flute, sweettO sweet folk melodies and vocals given upperhand to orchestration! Also, while the lyrics weren't earth-shattering, they were down-to-earth and not boring or irritating. Take the case of this 'vAsalilE poosaNippoo' pallavi - it instantly brings to mind the village or small-town street scene where girls decorate the kOlam with poosaNippoo while also decorating the streets with their own presence (hA, all that morning freshness) :-)
I think that kind of "being-part-and-parcel-of-daily-life-of-ordinary-TN-public" was behind the success of such movies. While the movies, scenes, performances of other artists can be simplified that way for Ramarajan movies, the same cannot be said about rAsA music. They were definitely out-of-ordinary! In the sense that regardless of how a typical HCIRF views them as simple, they were above a minimum level that cannot be reached by other MDs. Neither were they "catchy for the time but disappear in a while" kinds. I can enjoy these for a lifetime! (Recently 'rAsAththi manasula' was on repeat on my car for many days and I have a plan to start a PS thread in IR forum to post one song per week, with the posts entirely in Thamizh).
Under those considerations, poosaNippoo is a landmark song for the SPB-IR-SJ combo as it can be considered the first for the combo in this "genre" :-)
On a personal note, I didn't notice this song during 80's at all. During mid-90's, during a bus travel from Madurai to V'nagar was the first time I heard this song - after hours of attack on my ears with what I call 'nArAsam'...Oh, what a refreshing change this song proved to be to me on that day!
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:rotfl: :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
செண்பகமே செண்பகமே திரைப்படம் எங்க ஊருக்கு அருகேயுள்ள ஒரு திரையரங்கில் 42 நாட்கள் தொடர்ச்சியாக ஓடி சாதனை புரிந்தது. எங்க வீட்டிலிருந்து மாட்டு வண்டியில் குடும்பமாக புறப்பட்டு இரண்டாவது ஆட்டத்திற்கு சென்றோம். இனிமையான காலங்கள். ராமராஜன், ரேகா, விஸ்வம், கவுண்டமணி, செந்தில், ராஜாவின் முத்தான பாடல்கள். வாசலிலே பூசணிப்பூ: பாடல் என்ற தனிப்பட்ட முறையிலாகட்டும், திரைப்படக் காட்சிகளாட்டும் என்றும் மனதில் நிற்கக்கூடியது. பாலு - ஜானகி கூட்டணியில் சிறந்த பத்து என்றாலும் அதிலொன்றாக இடம்பெறும்.
I do not have any choice but to register my strongest objections to this sentence.... IMHO, IR's association with Ramarajan (also Raj Kiran, Kasthuri Raja) was the worst thing to happen ever for TFM and IR.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Raama rasan survived only because of IR!
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
அது ஒரு கருத்து (read like gunA cassette Kamal) :-)
From my music listening POV, I can enjoy the whole 'rAsAththi manasila' on repeat for days nowadays.
OTOH, my hand reaches out involuntarily for the 'skip' button immediately after the prelude for 'rAkkammA kaiyaththattu'.
The rAsAththi genre has longer lasting power than rAkkammA genre, IMHO...
ithu namma Thilagam paadinathila :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
arumaiyana paadal highly suthapified by thilagam!
-1. எப்படி உங்களை தண்டிப்பது? வாசலிலே பூசணிப்பூ திரைப்படப் பாடலை நூறு முறை கண்டுகளியுங்கள் !!Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
app - It is unfair to pass judgement just using one song. ( watching too much presidential debate?!!) Yes, there were great songs from some Ramarajan movies (EOP, Karagattakkaran etc), the overall result was IR's TFM output quality was deteriorating.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Thinking aloud, the success of "urban" ARR was to some extend a revolt against this "village" trend.
Vaasalile poosanip poo - my late grand mother's favourite song. Very catchy and ramarajan of those days had lesser powder lipstick on his face compared to
what we saw later and therefore even the video was nice to watch.
IR worked in Ramarajan movies from 1986 to 93. During those period and also post 93, IR continuously involved in rural/urban based films featuring Satyaraj, Vijayakanth, Murali, Karthik, Prabu, Pandiyarajan, Kamal, Rajini..etc. Post 93, big and notable projects did not go often to IR. Thats how, IR's stamp was slowly fading out.Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
:shock: :shock: :yessir:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Quite a slow long fading out this - i must say.. his detractors must be wondering why doesnt he go kapupt just like that..
That's an interesting analysis, genesis :-)
i.e.
1. IR was working with Ramarajan / Raj Kiran / Kasthuri Raja kind of guys, driving the urban TN-ers crazy who craved for better music
2. This contributed to ARR capturing the urban TN-ers and IR's fall
3. This whole phenomenon being the worst thing to happen to TFM
:wink:
(BTW, needless to say I mostly agree on 2 & 3 ; it does not matter if I agree on 1 or not. We both agree on majority of items :lol2:)
my 2¢..credit to Swamigal to churn out gems inspite of the talents he had to contend with..on bbc tamil interview still remember him chiding the musical sensibilities of directors in TFM when asked about Thendral Vandhu Theendum Podhu from Avatharam..no offense to Nassar what possibly he would have said of the song situation/placement which could have triggered him to come up with this gem. So the end result did justify the means with respect to working with supposedly lesser talents.
Just like I said, you have become very good debater even though there is not much logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
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Originally Posted by wizzy
That was his choice. But OTOH, he has given us amazing music working with even lesser talents in the early 80s.
Vaasalile Poosanipoo is a wonderful song. IR-folk version2 has its own charm. I would take that any day over any other folk music composed by other MDs during the same time period. Keep them coming App, looking forward to more such numbers from 90s as well.
Why not English Saar?Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
'This is a page for TAMIL music' nu yaarum solla vendaam. Tamil-la weak-a irunthaalum some of us come here because we still love to hear tamil music :smile2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine http://www.mayyam.com/talk/images/bu...post-right.png I have a plan to start a PS thread in IR forum to post one song per week, with the posts entirely in Thamizh.
only solos or duets?
sometimes I am in the mood for only ladies or only boys:) when we hike or sit in front of the ocean -highway 1 - pacific coast trips etc.. nalla erukkum.
I am thinking of P.Susheela's solos with different composers one by one too.
I have collections of Lata with Madhan mohan, Lata with C.Ramachandra,
Lata with Khaiyyam, Lata with Salilda, Lata with S.D.Burman etc... like that,
Asha, Janu, Geeta dutt etc... They all have some good collections.
but P.Susheela, you don't see collections like that in the market.
என்றும் இனியவை, sad songs of சுஷீலா, அப்படின்னு few collections தான் பாக்கலாம் in the மார்க்கெட்.
anyway....good idea, app_eng!
IR-Susheela pair has given some eternal beauties like
sugamo aayiram....,thenil aadum rojaa..., poong kaaviyam.....etc..
ஒரே இடம் நிரந்தரம் இதோ உன் துணை இதோ என் இசை...... Super solos of Susheela!
We love our GREAT LADIES!
Lata, Susheela, Janu, Asha, Vani, L.R.E, Geeta Dutt etc.. You are all wonderful!:thumbsup:
vinatha:)
baroque,
It's not a compiling kind of exercise (like "IR-PS all hits"...no no)...it's simply certain songs that I feel close to :-) Both duets & solos...
al_gates,
Let's see...it'll be a while before that will get started...
vAsalilE poosaNippoo youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1m-E3-xR4I
oh...duets too.
definitely, showcase your choices of dear ones ... we enjoy your picks.
ஏ.....தென்றலே இனி நாளும் பாடவா....:)
vinatha.
#273 என்னுயிரே வா
(பூந்தோட்டக்காவல்காரன், 1988 , சித்ராவுடன்)
http://static.flickr.com/118/261513753_a12e410562.jpg
bAdAm halvA comes to mind and mouth waters when I think of / hear this song! Especially the singing of KSC in the prelude! If a person says he/she does not like the start of the song or the drums that gloriously end the saraNam, I'll conclude without any diagnosis that the person is deaf!
KSC owns this song and aNNan SPB mostly plays a supporting role in this number. So is the orchestration, with the exception of drums that scintillates! What a sweet singing by the chinnakkuyil! I wish I have the patience to learn & do music editing so that I can have the start of this song as my personal "ring tone" on the phone:-) Well, I'm so glad that KSC still has the same precision & sweetness if one goes by the recent Chennai concert of rAsA.
This song arrived when >90% of film songs that I was listening with fondness had KSC! No wonder this was on a couple of cassettes and had been frequently playing on my walkman. Interestingly, however, the Palakkadan thing that comes to mind w.r.t. this song is the barber shop on the road from Sultanpet to Fort maidAn :oops: Well, there were quite a few on that road and I was not loyal to any one of them. There was one shop that worked even on Tuesdays (which were holidays for saloons in general) where I landed on some Tuesdays. Then there was another that used electric machines (and finished the job in < 10 min, that is before I dozed off) where I went when in a hurry. However, the most visited one was the slow fellow that had a nice music system and played film songs, including the TF ones. Whenever he played TF songs, they invariably were rAsA's and there's no wonder it was my preferred destination.
It was in that shop that I've heard this song for the first time, the song from a Vijayakanth hit movie :-)
Read the story and the comments. I was expecting remarks similar to VTR and son, but didn't expect the sympathy. Really felt bad myself. But then, he had his shot, should have made the most when he was at his peak and reinvented himself somehow. When dancing legs and six-packs are ruling the day, I think of actors like him, decent, never stepping out of the boundary and colourful too....Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
App,
There is another SPB solo hit song “Manjapodi Thekkaiyele” (http://www.raaga.com/play/?id=266114) in Sh Sh. Please consider including this song as well in this IR-SPB hit songs list. Have heard a telugu version of this song (guess in a Chiru starrer).
Yes Yes I too recommend Manjapodi song which is my fav and certainly good song
Yes. 'manja podi' song is a remake of the Telugu song, 'maatarani mounamidhi'
one of my most favourite :DQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
app, nice write up... drums is so soothing to listen in this song...
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
groucho,
Me from his area in TN, so can certify for the "authentic portrayal" of a grAmaththAn of Madurai district in most cases (despite his awful costume / make-up). In fact, he looks like one of my cousins and that's another reason to like him (besides his association with rAsA)...
makkaLE,
I'll listen to the other song from Sh.Sh & post it if I've heard it before.
If not, we can always discuss later on, among those "songs-left-out-by-the-ignorant-app_engine" :-)
nanRi raajarasigan, for the kind words!
The song had been playing in my mind all-thru the weekend and I'm still under the "nostalgia-weather" :-)
App one request. Do mention the song name in roman letters for tamillitarates(atleast in hub) like me. Enna paattunnu guess pandradhukke paadhi time pogudhu sila samayam. For instance, still not figured out yor nostalgic captain song from 1988
App,
Very nice write-up on 'Ennuyire Vaa' with that apt mouth-watering rasagulla. :D Excellent song, yes it is Chitra's song. Somehow I only get sivakumar in my mind for this song. May be IlanchOlai hangover.
Also not to forget about 'VaasalilE Poosanippo'. I could not believe because of these songs, IR market went down and TFM music deteriorated (abachaaram to the core). Anway I least care about it, as we are still listening these soulful folk composition even today after 20 years with same amount of interest. That's the power of Maestro. Even if I agree to some extent that his market went down, he is still there for us with same enthusiasm even after 20 years enthralling us like as always, which is more important. If his market went down, he would not be still in the music scene.
Sorry about that, I'll take care from next post :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The song is 'ennuyirE vA' from poonthOttakkAvalkAran :-)
V_Sji,
nanRi!
I'm with you on the evergreen nature of rAsA songs and I no longer care about his market status, as long as he's doing music :-)
App anna.
Excellent writeup :clap:
There was film called Puthu nellu puthu naathu right? wasn't the lovely song "poo poo poo pootha solai" from?
BTW what does nathu mean :roll:
Yes, that is a 1990 movie, by Bharathiraja.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
'nAththu' means seedling / sapling (very young plants that come out of seeds that are sown closely together ; these need to be plucked out and replanted in the regular paddy field with gaps to become full-grown)...
Picture here :
http://www.indiawaterportal.org/site...0Seedlings.jpg
BTW, 'nAththu' is kochchaiththamizh...written word is 'nARRu' (நாற்று) :-)
#274 பாடாத தெம்மாங்கு நான் பாட வந்தேனே
(பூந்தோட்டக்காவல்காரன் , 1988 )
pAdAtha themmAngu nAn pAda vandhEnE, solo from poonthOttakkAvalkAran
A very simple song - no grandiose orchestration or earth-shattering melody. Simple catchy tune, SPB's emotional singing, nice support by flute and some country drums. The song was moderately popular and I've heard on the bus on many occasions. Never hunted it / recorded it etc. The song got only #4 rating within this album at the time of arrival. ennuyirE vA was first, adi gAnakkarunguyilE second, sindhiya veNmaNi third...pArAmal pArththa nenjam-jam jajam-jam-jam was tied for the 4th spot, because of KSC...the rating is pretty much unchanged even today...not a mega album by rAsA standards but siRu thuLi peru veLLam, since all such hits contributed to his mega status, these were happily taken by us:-)
I'm not sure whether this movie came around that time or not - but I'm reminded of a major incident in life now...that happened sometime toward the end of 1988. I had my first taste of alcohol and it was a :shock: to my collegemate-colleague, with whom I shared the 'soup-ghOshti' status for almost 3 years. I'm not sure what prompted me - it was a bachelor's party in the lawn at the then #1 hotel / restaurant of the town - Indraprastha (where I've often come across Malayalam film stars in the lobby...not M & M but considerably popular ones like Innocent). When everyone expected me to order the usual tomato soup / orange juice / limca kind, I casually said "whisky" large! From the menu card, I browsed and picked some name - Peterscot, I liked the name - and added limca to it and downed without any sipping business :lol: And then had another in the same style, much to the shock / thrill of those around the long table.
Well, nothing big happened - except some loss of sense on the forehead; after the food, I walked to the room (less than a KM from the restaurant) where the roommate was on tour and blasted from the music system. Thus started my occasional indulgence of the item that gives one a man's status inside Kerala. ("ANAnengil veLLam adichchirukkaNam" it seems :lol: )
Another song is due, for today and it will be from Sh.Sh (I've listened to it from thiraippAdal, and, yes, it's a lovely number) :-)
#275 மஞ்சப்பொடி தேய்க்கையிலே
(செண்பகமே செண்பகமே , 1988)
manjappodi thEykkaiyilE, the solo that I missed, from the film "sheNbagamE sheNbagamE" - thank you A_S, San_K & Sureshji for catching this miss!
Yes, lovely song sung in a somewhat different style by SPB (thiraippAdal lists the singer name incorrectly) and beautiful tablA accompaniments. Song in the IR-TFM-Folk-V2 genre (let's give an abbreviation for this, what about IRTFv2 ?). Along with the primary companion instrument, flute, this song also has some kuRumbu solo violin in the interlude. Possibly there is some kuRumbu going on in the visuals and the song lines too are a little bit suggestive...Interestingly, it talks about 'manjappodi' which I'm not very sure whether used for 'thEykka' in villages. At least until the early 80's, it was manjaL kizhangu only that got 'urasified' on ammi or similar soRa-soRa stone, to make a paste which'll be used in bath by women. Possibly they switched to podi in the late-80's. Effect of technology!
We've already got the information from Sureshji that there's a Telugu equivalent of this melody / song. It would be interesting to listen to how rAsA would have ornamented this puccA south TN folk number to sound homely at north of poovirundha valli. Magician without question! After watching the youtube for poosaNippoo (likeable picturisation IMO), I'm also curious to know how is the picturization for this number. Will search for the youtube this evening (and post here if it's worthy).
I can't even recall when I first heard this number - but I'm very sure of hearing it many times on buses & some functions. Must have been reasonably popular in south TN - though I'm not sure about its reach north of Pazhani...