Raghu Sir or others, please dont waste your time in explaining or responding to these kind of childish pranks...I think we are seriously discussing here...better not consider non-sense here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
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Raghu Sir or others, please dont waste your time in explaining or responding to these kind of childish pranks...I think we are seriously discussing here...better not consider non-sense here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
No No.. dear Mr Srivatsan,Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
Please do not hurt any Hubber... by hitting at him/ her personally. In your opinion, may be what he says...is a NONSENSE...but...
...we the other Hubbers at equal status have no Moral right to comment or criticis so.... out of the way...
... deviating or CONTRARY to the Spirit of a Public Forum ... especially of Global purview ...
... OPEN TO ANYONE of the World... either Knowledged or Radically IGNORANT.
Our friend is just putting forth his Thoughts, Knowledge and Contentions on Mahabharatha...
..in an UNUSUAL DIRECTION... as much as he is able to perceive in his own VARIED OUTLOOK.
Even though it is our Great Indian Heritage Treasure... of IMMENSE HUMAN- VALUES ...
...Exemplary for Global Mankind... ETERNALLY. .. We believe quite opposite to His views.
So I am VERY HAPPY that one friend we got anew... who has kindled our thoughts...
... as a Spur for Knowledge on this Great SIMPLIFIED Gospel in the practical Life approach while dealing with various types of personages.
Even the Gods and Prophets like Jesus, Krishna, Siva, Sankara, Ramanuja and the likes too... were badly criticised and opposed face to face.
If they wanted they could have resorted to any measure directly or indirectly to FINISH the existence of such opponents.
But they had not taken such an ELEMENTARY APPROACH...
Whereas they the Exemplary LEADERS OF HUMANITY... have availed such oppositions...
... as the best opportunity to improve on their noble sides... by countering in FINER DETAIL...
... perceptible even to a Totally Ignorant Commonman.
So let us follow their Footsteps... by trying to answer the Questions raised here... if you can...
...Irrespective of the person behind the Question..Otherwise please keep silent.
At the same time I hope our new Friends on the opposite side too will NOT FORGET...
...to reciprocate our gentlemanly approach conforming to the norms of Civic manners in the public...
...and hence will not take up an Intentional differing approach... but only an OPEN MINDED outlook ...
...nor use any Terminolgies OFFENSIVE OR WOUNDING to the Opponents.
We welcome any healthy criticisms and oppositions subject to the bounds of such Intellectual Human norms.
I am closely watching how you on the other side are handling this Challenge.
Finally I will step in... to impress him... making to decide himself as to what is correct and what is Non-sense....
...On this Mahabhaaratha, the Immortal DRAMATIC GOSPEL...for the Global Mankind.!!!
the extract of the epic mahabharat in my opinion is that " The Truth [Dharma] never ever be defeated" it does not matter whether adharm is more powerful in comparison to dharma.
some of my frinends was always criticised to lord krishnas diplomacy with karna & others in the mahabharat at my student life when there any discussion
about mahabharat occured.
karna was more powerful than arjun
bhism pitamaha was also very experinced and powerful, overall kouravas were more powerful than pandvas , than why pandvas win that battle?
and the answer is only the lord krishna [ i.e. gyan, truth, dharma,]
what is the main roal of the lord krisna in this battle ?
he was only a driver(saarthi) of arjun`s wheicle (Rath), and he motivated arjun
to be indulge only in the karma without expecting its result.
he dont touched any arms (shastras) in the whole battle.
though its true that lord krisna plays diplomacy in the battle but it was to establish dharma,truth, to save the world. it is also true that lord krishna has tried to his extreme that the battle of mahabharta does not takes placed, but the god also failed in front of hungerness of property, greediness, selfishness, lustness & diplomacy of kouravas.
so to neutralize poisions of kouravas (adharma) the god krisna used another poison of diplomacy. there are nothing seems odd about it.
if we got virul fever we are not taking another poision in the form of medicine to kill appropriate viruses?
if one got small wound in his feet and by neglecting proper cure to it,if that feet gets more infectected and begin to rotten then to save his life it is a wise choise that he should relive all affection to his feet, and live his reminded life with one feet.
i learn this through the epic mahabharat.
Sudhaama Sir, Sorry if I had over-gone...
I do not know why many persons rate Arjuna inferior to Karna. There have been many many instances where Arjuna's valour been explained Mahabharatham.
Arjuna, by his capacity did penance and Got Pashupathasthra from Lord Shiva. For this, he even fight with Lord Shiva and only after impressed by Arjuna's valour Lord Shiva gives him the asthra...
Secondly, in the time of vana vasam, when Dhuryodhana was arrested by some Gandharwas, in the forest, Karna was severly hurt in the fight with Gandharvas and escaped from the battle field. It is Arjuna and Bhima who fougt with those Gandharvas and saved Dhuryodhana.
Similarly when Padavas were in Agnynatha Vasam in Upaplavya desham, Kaurava forces, including Bhishma and Drona invaded Upalavya. Karna too was in that force. Every one was single handedly defeated by Arjuna, that too with a novice charioteer...
So I dont think, Arjuna is inferior to anyone. Karna may be a great warrior with equal might to Arjuna. But he was not all that a "gem" in Character...proofs to follow!
Dear Mr Srivatsan,Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
I did not mean that you have transgressed your bounds.
But I wanted to caution you ...NOT TO CONSIDER CHEAP or Get Emotional ...
...NOR DISCOURAGE the opponent on the Contrary stand to your Belief
.... There lies the Rudimentary Norm for any OPEN-FORUM like ours.. where even a Schoolboy may raise his doubts and Questions here....
.... while we don't know the person behind the Voice.. So my Suggestion is.... as I already stated...
... Take it as another Best Opportunity to analytically JUSTIFY YOUR STAND... the Truth.
In fact I wholeheartedly thank our new Friend for coming forward to participatehere along with us.
mm.... I think the soceity was much more divided in those days. Mahabaratha, being a great epic portrays these things clearly. The caste system which is one of the things followed strictly in those days is a nice example for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
RaghuJi, I think if we should respect only talents then Kirubachariyaar should not have prevented Karna just because of the fact that he is not a king
In that case, DHURYODANA was bold enough to break this old nastiytradition. :)
Dear Srivatsan, :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
Pls dont address as me sir, I am not worthy of it nor I am old enough for that :-), I am lot younger than you assume :-)
Right on your above point, My knowledge isbased on Mahabharatha serial by Ramanand Saagar, and the Mahabharth book.
Krishna has many times, Explained to Karna was better Warrior than Partha (Arjuna), in many occasion, before Karna led the war as Commander in charge in Gurushetra, Arjuna will be over joyed, arrgonace and ego will blind his Eye, Krsishna would say 'Partha, dont underestimate Karna's ability, he is a far better warrior than you, you can only win him over deciet and wickerdness!
Then we all know all the six deceits Karna has been under
1) Kavasa Kundal - Cuuningly deprived from him
2) Curse from Parashuram
3) Nakasthra issue
4) Curse from bhramin saying that his chariot will be stuck in earth
5) His chariot will walk away -- (he was the Uncle of Pandavas, Can some one remind me his name)
6) ????
Yes this is true, Aum NamaShivayaQuote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
This is Common in any war fare, you are right Arjuna single handedly defeated the Kauravas, including Karna, but Karna single handedly defeated Pandavas for the last 5 days he Commanded the Kauravas!Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
No Ajuna was inferior to many warriors like Bhishma, Jeyadrathan, Dronacharaya, Angaraj Karna, even to Aswathama to certain extent!Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsan
Raghu Sir
May I get explanation for :
1. Why did Drona ask for Ekalaivan's thumb finger -
So that Arjuna will not have any equal warrior
or THE DIRTY CASTE WAR HERE ALSO :twisted:
2. Drona I believe told Karna that he can teach only Kshatriyas -
If yes, why did he teach his son who was a Brahmin guy ?
Indeed!!! Only TALENTS should be appreciated , teh casts, class and all that Crap should not come in at all.. But yes though I loudly applaud Dhurodhana for his bold move, there were self fish reasons behind it, he wanted some one to defeat Arjuna, he knew Only Karna can do it, so he made use of the circumstances wisely!Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
small request, dont call me Ji, Machi sounds better, Sariya Machi
:-) :lol:
Raghu sirQuote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
I think Duryodhana accepted Karna as his friend even before Karna could prove his skills ( remember that display day )
I dont see any vested interest here by Duryodhana
Pl enlighten me here