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ippadi ellAm solluveengannu therinju dhaan, proportional representation edhirpArkkak koodaadhu-nu ezhudhi irukkEn.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
naan ezhudhuradhai padikkiradhE illaiyaakkum? :huh:
veLLaikaaran indhiyakku viLayAdak koodaadhuyyA. Rules-na, rules- dhaan.
Shakib thambiyai kooptukkunga-nnu sonnA, adhai oru poruttAvE madhikka mAttEngreengaLE.
seri even remotely so :-)..Indian Kabaddi team which competed in Asian/Saf games is effectively Punjab/Haryana state team adhukkaga avungla boycot pannuvingla..that that sport that that men no..ellae vida pidiya Badrinath types kabaddi attathula serthukitta thaen support pannuvingala :lol:
Sellaadhu. "I am being illogical but that's due to my prejudice"-nu sollittu unga natural immigration theorya sollunga. OththukkaROm. Evrything's fine in your logic except the muyal-30kaal insistence that qualification criteria(legal and icc laws) cannot be sufficient for a player to play for a country - it is not an Indian team, btw. We all call it the bcci team, don't we? Idhu oru glorified club cricket dhaan - idhula edhukku sociology, zoologylaam kondu varinga? I can't see any other reason than to defend the position that you have taken and inability to accept that it is clearly illogical. Reminder again: a player plays for Ireland and England within the same month. Idhukku ninga badhil sollave illai - very natural, aint it?
Plum ,
P_R may ban you, paathu kavanam :lol:
I take it you feel lousy about Robin Singh, that bogus Indian from Trinidad, playing for TN/India? More questions: e nick Sajid Mahmood, Ajmal Shahzad, Adil Rashid etc from England? Owais Shah? Ravi Bopara? Heck, these nay not be England hopefuls but I guess we can especially do with Shahzad, thank u. Any day not worse than Ishant etc. Do we have your permission?
Of course. But there has always been 'opportunity' here. In SA that was not the case. Hence they are trying something. Again - I am not saying their method is perfect - but one can see the justification.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
Very natural....avingaLukku. England-Ireland ellAm same to same to same, nu pallAyiram thadavai sollittEn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Ah Robin! paththu naaL dham katti pEsunadhula idhu dhaan first uruppadiyAna point. Rules padi enakku 'odd'A thONiyirukkaNum. Of course he came here as a kid, naturalized etc. By the same logic I would be fine with all the SAsians you mention- to a large extent I am fine with seeing then naturalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Then if one-generation is okay, how about multiple generations---Sewnarines, Ragoonaths - there I say nevaire.
Closest approximation to - foreigner India-la viLayAda koodaadhuyyA.
Here again I should qualify - there are the rarest of rare cases foreigners who happen to be in India. Like kids who grow up here. I hope you don't think I am for preventing them from playing cricket in India.
Exclusively hiring from outside 'for' cricket when we can't/don't do that for any other field (Kingfisher aeroplane pilot??) is odd to me. You are saying why can't cricket-led immigration happen. I don't see it as 'true' immigration. People coming here, not making it their home and doing it for - as wizzy says - 'mercenary' reasons. Whereas a KP or a Trott could be like any other Londoner.
idhukku mEla solradhukku edhuvumE illai. I think we perfectly understand each other's PoV.
No, you clearly are refusing to acknowledge a valid point. Ia m not going to leave you just like that - first be honest - then we can call truces.
Why are you misrepresenting? My point is against your arbitrary definition of "natural" immigration. It exists nowhere but your mind - not even the ingenious Englishmen who fruit-eating-seed-throwers in such obfuscation have thought of your (admittedly) pre-emptive strike. Your adamancy in the face of logic is commendably English. You keep protesting that I call you Englishman of India - well, you have every quality to be called an Englishman. So, even if you protest that you are supporting Test Cricket not British monarchy, you have exhibited sufficient mule-headed fancy (il)logic with arbitary definitions of concepts to suit your current position.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Evne the stand that you keep flaunting as "munnamEyE sollittEn" is cleraly a well-thought out pre-emptive defence - which is a very English trait.
You shouldnt feel insulted to be called as one with English attributes, should you?
What kind of idiotic argument is this? If an Englishman has to qualify for India, he has to stay in India 183 days for 4 consecutive years. That's what the ICC requires - ofcourse, they'll relax it for themselves but surely when they see reverse-brain=drain, they'll uphold this law to the word - which means if an Englishman qualifies per ICC requirements for India, he'd have soaked India in him sufficiently. That should be enough, Ofcourse, except in your mind - which is just your personal idiosyncracy. I have my own idiosyncrasies - atleast, i dont argue that those idiosyncratic beliefs are "national character" or "natural trait".Quote:
Exclusively hiring from outside 'for' cricket when we can't/don't do that for any other field (Kingfisher aeroplane pilot??) is odd to me. You are saying why can't cricket-led immigration happen. I don't see it as 'true' immigration. People coming here, not making it their home and doing it for - as wizzy says - 'mercenary' reasons. Whereas a KP or a Trott could be like any other Londoner.
Mark Tully is an odd case working in India - before and after him, no British journalist has made India his home. Per your logic, he should never have been allowed to stay on in India and make India his home.
Basically, if you think even one-inch deep, your position is untenable
Reviving the Dr Vijay analogy, I dont like Vijay movies, I wish a flop for him every time he releases a movie but if a DMK government resorted to unfair means to prevent release of his movie, my sympthies would be with him. I wouldnt crow and celebrtate that releasing a Vijay movie was prevented evne if by unfair means.
That is how it should be - infact, I believe you are also fair enough in that manner. It is just that you are resorting to vidhandavaadham in this issue and are unwilling to back off.
(Bertie Wooster: "We may be biased but we are fair".)
naanum thaayaaru.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
infact, good idea. Ravi Rampaul is struggling to nail down a place in the Windies XI - thanks to Darren Saamynaadhan being a captain and an automatic choice.Quote:
Sewnarines, Ragoonaths
WIZZY _ kaamaaan, get me Seenu maama's mail-id please. This seems too good an idea to not implement. avaru test cricketlAm kavalai pada mAttArungaRIngaLA? ada, CSK-ku oru indian fast bowler kedaippAnnu dhoobam pOdalAm. kamaanyA, ivLO argue paNNadhula, feeyarE namakku oru nalla practical idea koduthirukkAr.
19th century-la naan oppressionai adharippEnnu sollittu, ennaiyA misrepresent 'ngreenga. :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
oru arbitrary-yum illai. History-ai paarunga. Who has come to India for work? 'Let this be a start' 'ngreenga. No 'ngREn. That is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
neenga solradhu dhaan logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
adhai oththukkalainnA English-nu thittuveenga
Oh Englishman was shorthand for this-A? Then fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
But adhu makkaLukku puriyAdhillaiyA. avunga ennai yEdhO anglophile-nu thappA ninaichchuttA. adhukku dhaan theLivupaduththuREn.
I don't know if it is an exclusively English trait. You think it is a 'bad' thing and thus like to call it English. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
But I need to keep reminding you because you ask the questions which I have already answered, seek acknowledgement for something I have already acknowledged.
padikkAma pEsureengaLonnu oru davuttu.
Again, a mischeivous suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
This suggests that I would happy to be associated with all English attributes, even 'bad' ones - when I have been crying hoarse in protestation, which Plum pretends to acknowledge. So you have got it in your head that there is a heavy dose of aspirational Anglophilia in all this. Else you will NOT be making such a statement.
[QUOTE=Plum;855292]What kind of idiotic argument is this? If an Englishman has to qualify for India, he has to stay in India 183 days for 4 consecutive years. That's what the ICC requires - ofcourse, they'll relax it for themselves but surely when they see reverse-brain=drain, they'll uphold this law to the word - which means if an Englishman qualifies per ICC requirements for India, he'd have soaked India in him sufficiently. That should be enough, Ofcourse, except in your mind - which is just your personal idiosyncracy. I have my own idiosyncrasies - atleast, i dont argue that those idiosyncratic beliefs are "national character" or "natural trait".
You are clearly NOT reading ANYTHING I am writing. I have no prob with Tullys and Dalrymples. India for Indians-nu sonna maadhiri solreenga?? I made the most extreme case that I am fine with Sonia becoming the PM of India - something that'll make a good part of the nation foam in the mouth. I just don't want to see a veLLaikkaara mercenary open the Indian attack. Of course there will be exceptions (been in India since I was a kid etc.) but as a rule, going out and hiring the gen-next from SA,Aus is not something India should do, just because Aus/NZ/Eng do it. They are different, they have people flitting across borders always. It will be novel for us.Quote:
Mark Tully is an odd case working in India - before and after him, no British journalist has made India his home. Per your logic, he should never have been allowed to stay on in India and make India his home.
It's about time we also did -nu ninaikkureenga pOla. I don't think so.
I answered this already (ippadi sonnA vERa ungaLukku kOvam vandhurudhu). You are more democratic and tolerant than I am in certain things. When something painfully ugly and egregious happening will have me cheer when something is done to prevent it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Members of parliament are banned from playing T20-nu BJP oru arbitrary rule koNdu vandhA, aduththa election avaingaLukku kooda vote pOduvEn :lol2:
Does your logic apply to this forum? enna dakalti vENA paNNi enakku pidikkAdha vishayangaL indha forumla nadakkAdha mAdhiri paNNalAmA? unga kattupAttula irukkaRA indha kOttaila, nAnga enga convenience, enga beliefskERpa ellai meeralamA? ada, assume it suits your preferencesnyu vechukkunga - appO naan enna dakalti vENA paNNAlAma indha forumla?
puriyAdhavanaLaukku - suppose some dakalti I do in this forum suits Feeyar's belief and suits his vision of things, will he turn a blind eye to my dakalti, naadhari velais here? (romba sootchumamA kEkkaREn, yOsichu badhil sollunga)
oru vAtti commit paNNittIngnnA, nAn roadu pOtturuven
ellaam saaljaappu. You have just obfuscated - you havent answered.
P_R unga colour matching theory is devoid of any logic and Robin Singh was a Trini who happen to play for TN/India..avaru ok-na Rampaul ok thane
Plum. naan yenna mail id vechikinna vanjagam pandraen :lol:..pliss to dial-Satish for these delikate matters
indha dakalti dhAnE vENAmgaRadhu, idhukku dhAN ding example sonNEn. You are defining what is natural and what is not natural for a subsection of people. DINGsum adhE dhAn senjAnga - presuming on behalf of the natural order. You cleverly misrepresented my position and issued an hollow rebuttal of a point I didnt make....Quote:
India - something that'll make a good part of the nation foam in the mouth. I just don't want to see a veLLaikkaara mercenary open the Indian attack. Of course there will be exceptions (been in India since I was a kid etc.) but as a rule, going out and hiring the gen-next from SA,Aus is not something India should do, just because Aus/NZ/Eng do it. They are different, they have people flitting across borders always. It will be novel for us.
You stop misrepresenting first - appuRam I will stop
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Originally Posted by wizzy
Robin Singh came when he was a kid it seems :lol: - I am 100% sure he made that knowing fully well that it is not the case. I am 100% sure that he just made it up as he goes just becuase it seemed like a good rebuttal :rotfl:
yOv wizzy - TNCA circlesla neRaiya influence irukkumE umakku? illaiyA?
SatissharE - nIngaLavadhu konjam help paNNunga. Indian cricket-ai thala keezha puratti pOttudalAm.
No, of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Consistency ellAm yEn yA edhirppArkkureenga? Ref. Sonia Gandhi.
Consistency, logiclAm EnyA edhir pArkareengannu sollunga. If you put it that way, then you have effectively admitted to my framing of the charges. Hence, proved. MakkaLE, guilty as charged-nu ivarE othukittAr.
True. That is why I said that was the first good point Plum has made in a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
I am okay with Robin. But worried that this will mean I have to be okay with Rampaul or imports for the case of cricket.
What is Robin's history-geography? Did he come over here for cricket only? illai podhuvA vandhu, piRagu cricket viLayAdinaarA.
NO Plum, your stand is 'if England can hire Saffers, so can India'. That IS your point. That is exactly what I am rebutting. enna hollow? enna misrepresentation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
What about the Robin Singh faux pas - fact ennannu therinjukkAmalE asadu Pesittu vazhiya vENDi irukKE adhai konjam urakka admit paNNikkunga pAppOm :rotfl:
pooh! idhai thaan anju naaL munnAdiyE oththukkittEnE. (avanE sonnAn). Basically, padikkAma vandhu kELvi kEkkureenga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Sonia Gandhi selected, Albie Morkel unselected - idhai vida oru glaring inconsistency irukkumA??
idhukkA dham kattineenga :huh:
P_R Robin Singh kitta thatta Trott case thaen...father namma allu..for all reasons Robin is culturally/geographically/accent wise Trini thaen..you really ought to mull over your colour matching theory...all is not White/Black :mrgreen:
Admitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Robin story enna? :oops:
enakku avar moonji romba pudikkumE.
Let me put it this way. My reasoning is is reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
Under no circumstance do I want India hiring Saffers for the express purpose of team bolstering. England/Aus/NZ can. We shouldn't. This is non-negotiable.
To do that I have to take a position which prevents external hiring from 'unnatural' teams.
So I want to ensure it is not-okay to hire Rampaul. But I see your point that that will need to oppose Robin - whose moonji I like a lot, quite possibly my favourite TN cricketer ever.
What is the way to reconcile my being-at-peace, heck even liking, for Robin with my opposition for watching Tsotsobe and Morkel open the bowling for India.
Where do I draw a line? satrE sindhikka vENdiya vishayam. Thank you for it.
idhai thaan 10 nALA sollikittirukkOm - your piosition is reverse-engineererdnu. ivlo naal you didnt admit - innikku pOttu vetta veLicham AkkinavunE othukittEnga.haabbaada!
Basically, you reverse-engineered to reach what you state as your ideals after starting off from a desired outcome - so all your natural immigratione tc is a bogus argument. fulyl exposed, thanks
P_R kavalai venaam...naturalize avrathu rombae easy..Robin is Alwarpet Anjaneyar temple frequent visitor..paarka paarka pazhagidum :thumbsup:
edhukku Wizzykku thanbks? Robin Singh point-ai koNdu vandhu unga agakaNNai thiRandhudhu iyAm dhAen.
But what is the source of my ideals. adhai sindhikka vENdaamA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Why does it not rankle me to think of Tsotsobe and Morkel open the bowling for Aus or NZ? Because they are like that only. We are not like that.
adhai purinjikka mAttEngreengaLE.
And you are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the difference in the situations.
All of you dhaan. pangu pirichukkunga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
kaN ellAm thoRakkalai. prachchanaikku innoru dimensionai kaattitteer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
maththapadi Eng paNraangradhukkaaga Ind,SL SA juniors-ai hire paNNA edhirkka dhaan seyvEn.
ingE "that"-ku padam varaindhu baagam kuRikkaQuote:
Because they are like that only. We are not like that.
Actually, ungaLukku dhAn credit kodukkaNum, Sewnarine-nu post pOttu, Ravi Rampaul gnAbagam vara vechu, angErundhu Robin Singhku jump paNNa kAraNamA irundhadhu your sewnarine post only.Quote:
All of you dhaan. pangu pirichukkunga
I remembered pretty well that Robin was your favourite - appOvE game set and match namakku dhaan-nu mudivu paNNittEn :lol:
P_R namma oor pet lovers have successfully naturalized vellaikara Pug/Rottweiler breeds which was deemed unthinkable some years ago so manam irunthal margabanthu..
Tsotsobe opening bowling for OZ/NZ doesn't rankle you :confused2: how is India different from either of these countries.
ada, ingE dhan you are misreprsenting my positiongarEn. I am not saying your edhirppu doesnt have nyaayam. All I am resenting is your representation of your edhirppu as a consequence of your resolve to keep the "natural" order of this earth, while our edhirppu to Eng etc doing it is against the "natural" order. maththabadi, edhirthukkonga, yaaru vENAmnA? unga edhirpellAm oru matterA? Infact, if sattish gives me N Seenu maama's mail id, I hope to set a series of actions in motion (ellaam valla iRaivan aruL irundhAl) that will shock and awe the cricket world :lol:Quote:
maththapadi Eng paNraangradhukkaaga Ind,SL SA juniors-ai hire paNNA edhirkka dhaan seyvEn.
SAfricans will go work in first world countries not India. England for sure. Aus/NZ , quite imaginable. Dipak Patel, Jitan Patel maadhiri oru Tsotsobe-vai avinga uLLa izhuththukkuvAinga.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
Porous, multinational, with less regard for borders even in everyday lives than we have to accord.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Darren Pattinson-James Pattinson.
puriyAdha mAdhiriyE maRupadi maRupadi kEkkuRadhu.
Cricket kaNdupudicha kaalathulErndhu colonies feeding Eng nadandhukittE irukkuRa oNNu. adhai natural illai-nu neenga eppadi sollalaam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum