indeed, Karna and Dhuriyodhana friendship TRULY the greatestQuote:
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indeed, Karna and Dhuriyodhana friendship TRULY the greatestQuote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
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Raghu SirQuote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
No doubt the friendship between Karna & Duryodhana was an epic by itself
One small digression here :
Rama with Guhan ( not a king )
What is your opinion ?
HI all wait wait....I hear lot of voices, saying Arjuna is inferior almost to all. One says, Arjuna inferior to Karna, Arjuna inferior to Ashwathama, Arjuna inferior to Ekalvya...what is happening here.....enna du idu siru pulla thanamaa irukku,,,....?:)
Ok fun apart.....B.R. Chopra's Mahabharatha shd not be taken as a good source of Bharatham. Vyasa Bharatham translation or Cho's Mahabharatham pesugirathu will be a best bet...
I am not a great fan of Arjuna. If you wanna ask me , I am fan of SriKrishna the super hero, Bhishma the great and Drona the great, who incidentally happens to be my ancestor.
First addressing the 5 curses of Karna....(please refer Raghu's post) Karna's defeat to Arjuna (without the direct aid of Krishna) was before getting these 5 curses. So Arjuna still fairs well.
Karna' s unleash havoc on the last 5 days of war, was not very considerable. I dont say, he was a dummy. Karan was indeed and equally good warrior as Arjuna so, he did what Arjuna could have done or a bit less. But the real Havoc was done by Bhishma and more from Drona.
The beauty in Mahabharatham is that Arjuna never considered Karna as his enemy, but an opponent. But Karna considered Arjuna as his enemy.
Regarding Karna and Dhuryodhana friendship....media, films and poets have exaggerted this issue so much. Many thinks that Dhuryodhana offered out of his greatness....as per Bharatham, it was not. Actually on the show-day of kauravas and Pandavas, by all means, Arjuna's and Bhima's valour were exemplary and people seemed to enjoy it very much. When Karna came in to challenge, Krupa told that that was not an open competetion and it was exclusively for the scions of Kuru vamsam, to show their people and parents what they have learnt, and it was not becuz of castiest semtiemtns or something....
Out of jeolousy, Dhuryodhana was already dying and he badly wanted someone to counter Pandavas. Karna came at the right time and Dhuryodhana used him and moreover, he believed that Karna is one power unit to counter Arjuna, which is indeed truth, and that is why he wanted Karna to be on the Top...
We should give notice to an issue here....When Karna was made the king of Anga, the elders in the family accpeted him. This is to ascertain that in olden days, Varna was praticed according to Job and not by birth!
Dear Srivatsan
If Karna and Duryodhana friendship was exaggerated, so is Arjuna's skills, yes, I agree Bhishma Pithama and Dronacharya created more havoc than Karna.
But There is No way Arjuna would have won the war without Killing Karna in a Yuth Adharma, all these 6 curses on Karna , Favoured Arjuna.
The other yuth adharma is the killing of Abhimanyu by the Kauravas, including Angakraj Karna!
Then as matter of revenge Karna's son was killed by Arjuna in Yuth adharma way..
The Entire Pandavas won the battle by deceit and wickedness, They moral behind this is to ' To keep Dharma alive, there is nothing wrong in using adharma to keep dharma in Control'.
Mr. Raghu, I take "Jaya" written by Vysa as my reference....and not poems. Defintely, as per Mahabharatham, Karna is not all that herioc when compared to Arjuna. Arjuna was a real hero, and Vyasa has not exeggerated any one's character, including that of Sri KrishnaQuote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Is it Yudha Dharma or yudha Adharma,....was it intentional....or typo? Ok Arjuna wouln't have won Karna sans these 6 curses.But according to MahaBharatham, even with those 6 powers that Karna had lost, Karna couldn't have won ArjunaQuote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
I dont think, Arjun killed Karna's So in an Adharmic way....if, So plz show proof from Vyasam Bharatham...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Infact, even when Karna's chariot was struck, Arjuna stopped fighting., It is Krishna who confused Arjuna to kill him, reminding Arjuna of Karna's role in Abhimnyu!
Sorry...I dont accept this stmt fully. I accept that they had to chose the Adharmic way to defeat big shots like Bhishma or Drona., but not as whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Srivatsan
If you have doubts on the way the Pandavas eliminated / annihilated the Kauravas,
well I can write an essay on this.
Take a sample :
While Karna was trying to lift the chariot wheel which was dug deep ( dont say that it was a curse & all ), under instructions from his Master Krishna, Arjuna cut Karna's head
ITS A SHAME ON THE PART OF A KSHATRIYA . DISGUSTING
The way Jayathratha was killed is another classic case of deceit
How Drona was silenced to Yogic posture is history and well known to all.
The greed for land made Dharmaputra ( of all the persons ) to utter a falsehood which made Drona lose all his interest in life
Srivatsan
I have just given a few examples
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Sorry...I dont accept this stmt fully. I accept that they had to chose the Adharmic way to defeat big shots like Bhishma or Drona., but not as whole.[/quote:c0009f8031]Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
WHAT :twisted:
Read Mahabaratha again back home dude :evil:
Right from the great grandsire Bheeshma to Duryodhana, the ridiculous Pandavas resorted to ADHARMIC MEANS / INGLORIOUS MEANS TO ELIMINATE KAURAVAS
The list is huge :
1. Bheeshma
2. Drona
3. Karna
4. Poorisiravas
5. Duryodhana
If Jayathratha can hide himslef the whole day as coward, then the tactics Krishna used can also be employed. Moreover, Jayathratha doesn't qualify for a "Veera" looking at his hisotry on those 10 days of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
I second your opinion about the way, Karna, Drona and Bhisma were eliminated...the argument is, Pandavaas, dint go by Adhrmic way in the whole of the war. After-all why shd Krishna Stand with them all along, becuz they had Dharmam with them......So one cant say, it was a wholly adharmic war.
Cool dude.....regarding Dhuryodhana....Bheema, vowed to break his ties in the war...remember on the day of Drowpathi's vastrabharanam....Bheema said, he will break Dusshasana's heart and Dhuryodhana's ties...unfortunately, it is against Gadhayudha rules....but...rest of 99 kauravas were killed in a fair fight only....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
I rpt Nakkeeran....I dont say Pandavas won the war in a purely Dharmic way...they did follow Adharmic ways...but that doeasn't mean they dont have valour....
Srivatsan
THE COWARD PANDAVAS WOULDNT HAVE WON THE WAR BUT FOR KRISHNA's GUILES & THE NEGATIVE ( ADHARMIC ) METHODS ADOPTED BY THEM TO ELIMINATE THEIR ARCH RIVALS
Are you aware ,Drona was about to use Brahmastra & this made the Pandvas to utter falsehood
I REPEAT, THE PANDVAS WOULDNT HAVE BEATEN THE KAURAVAS ON DIRECT COMBAT .
AFTER HAVING SUFFERED HEAVILY FOR 9 DAYS AGAINST BHEESHMA , THEY HAD TO RESORT TO WICKED WAYS ( YOU MAY SAY ITS SMART WAY )
Again, on Duryodhana's end, the whole world knows that he was the best amongst the lot on Mace fight & even his guru Balarama had acknowledged it
It was Krishna who signalled to Bheema by reminding his vow. Else Bheema would have been finished shortly.
FOR ALL THE EVILS OF THE KAURAVAS, AS THEY FOUGHT AND DIED LIKE TRUE KSHATRIYAS, THEY WERE SENT TO HEAVEN