IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

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Originally Posted by Shankar

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

Watch out SS Music at 12.00 P.M on Sunday.
A programme on IR !!!!!

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...Vijay manuel (keyboard)

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Its Viji Manuel.....
Had tears running down my cheeks just watching the programme....

I gave away some CD's to some of my friends and relatives and i regret it very much today. Its a case of "Kazhuudhaikku theriyuma karpoora vasanai".
First of all, people listen to it as though its a film album. I mean, tmrrmt was absolutely right about peoples' ego even while talking about god.
One friend who had actually met and had a few words with the Maestro in Mookambike temple last week, remarked "TIS romba nalla irukku nu poi solla vendiyadha pochu".
One cousin remarked, "machaan, enakku avalova pidikkala.... "
Another friend who happens to be a concert carnatic violinist said "idha oru violin veche potrukkalame...en orchestra?" - Talk about the frogs in the well!!!

I felt like telling them, yeah, go and listen to the saavu kuthu songs and Rehman's latest techno-wizadry (NOM), thats what ur fit for.
The reason i'm mentioning these points was seen in the programme yesterday.
Lazlo Kovacks and IR emphasized that this was a very simple orchestral arrangement and this was so because its an oratorio and not a symphony. IR explained that the orchetsra's job was to accompany and enhance the mood expressed by the voice singing the lyrics. Hope people get the expectation right before listening to it.

There's a very emotional and spiritual quality (not religious, mind you) to every song in TIS. It never fails to move me. I and my grandfather listened to the whole album 3 times on Saturday, my grandfather, not being exosed to WCM and contemporary music, still being moved by His work.

Ilayaanil isaikku urugaar edharkkum urugaar

Edited: Mannikkavum, unarchivasappattu TIs pathi ezhudhitten...... forgot the topic :)

"I mean, tmrrmt was absolutely right about peoples' ego even while talking about god"

alwarpet_andavan - to reiterate IR's viewpoint, let us put it this way - let us hypothetically assume (from theism's point of view) that God does exist - if He does exist, He must be one hell of a smart guy to have made all of us, life, the universe etc, right ? someone so smart does not require recognition from you and me, right ? is that is the case, why do people unneccarily talk about Him in public ?is it for His Glory ? or for their own glory ? that is a moot point to consider

If you are an atheist (which is what Kamal claims himself to be, though I have some strong doubts that he is not), then the above set of questions do not arise at all!

in any case, for most people, to talk about God, is the most preferred avocation, because it is very easy to do and can be used as a shield of escapism! at least in case of the superstar, I feel that is the case

in case of IR, it has to be genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he has no need to be deceitful

in case of Kamal, I feel that his claim of being an atheist itself is a form of escapism to justify his 'actions' in his professional and personal life!

anyways, it all brings to my mind, Paulo Coelho's book "The Alchemist", which has the following line "most people are so concerned / enamored with the destinies of others (including that of God's) that they forget their existence and destinies" or something to that effect

Madhan,
>>someone so smart does not require recognition from you and me, right ? is that is the case, why do people unneccarily talk about Him in public ?<<

let's leave God, and get to humans...I know so many people (that includes you and me) at some point in time or the other tell others that we are fortunate to be living in same era as Raja's. Or when discuss some intricate guitar piece in Eera vizhi kAviyangaL, we exclaim "this is a work of a genius!"
Does Raja require recognition (which is not going to alter his position in any way)from you and me ?? - if it comes from itzhak perlman / the late yehudi menuhin, then its a different story :-)

We still do it because we have had a positive impact due to his music, and one way of expressing our thanks (though indirectly) is this....I don't think Raja's remark about God and the work he has done for God is the category mentioned by you.

tmrrmt,
Interesting points. As to the context of my own remarks - ego coming to the fore when people talk about gods, i mean here is a work which will move theists, atheists and agnostics alike, and all the 3 persons i mentioned in my posts are very religious. Not a case of ego exactly, but i don't think these people understand what they believe to be practising. You do have this "what's good for you needn't be good for me" thing, but hey, in that case, they aren't good enough for IR. Plain and simple.

About Kamal, he has been more or less consistent about his stand on god and religion and i don't think one can really say for sure what he believes in his heart. For me, though, his word is good enough :)

Personally, i didn't like IR's "friendly" remarks about God not waiting for Kamal's belief and all that, particularly when Kamal was not on stage when he said that. In fact, Kamal never uttered a word in contempt of religious belief in his speech. All he said was, even those who reject God cannot/will not reject Ilaiyaraaja's Thiruvasagam, a point to which even IR would agree, and that which has been proved by the experiences of some here also...
JUST MY 2 PAISE. PL NO MORE CONTROVERSY HERE OVER THIS :)

I can' t help but post this as Kamal is being discussed :D

I agree with AA when he says Kamal has been more or less consistent about his views about God,religion.Does he really mean itl only ppl close to him would be able to tell.

But having followed him for quite some time now,I can see a mellowing down in Kamal these days.The strident posture which he used to adopt, particularly when it came to whether God exists or not has now been replaced by a more practical&reasonable approach.I think he is studying a lot more on this subject than before.

Earlier he used to sound like a rabble rouser(atleast I felt that way),not so now.

Shankar - "I don't think Raja's remark about God and the work he has done for God is the category mentioned by you."

That is precisely what I was trying to convey - only the Lance Armstrongs, Sachin Tendulkars, and Ilaiyaraajas of this world can and will talk about God and deservingly so, because, having gone deep into their respective fields, sacrificing many things in the process, they attain some kind of realisation, the outcome of which is the talk about God

therefore, I stated that as fars as IR is concerned, "it has to be genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he has no need to be deceitful" - perhaps I should have worded it as "it is genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he feels no need to be deceitful like the others"

"About Kamal, he has been more or less consistent about his stand on god and religion and i don't think one can really say for sure what he believes in his heart. For me, though, his word is good enough"

yesterday while watching the show, my dad laughed at that remark by IR ! when I asked him, he told me that every movie of Kamal's will not be released without an archanai in Azhagar kovil, which is done at Kamal's insistence! I was stunned to hear this - when I probed further, my dad told me that Kamal's lucky number is 6 (as per numerology) and hence, the sixth reel of his yet-to-be-released movie is taken to Azhagar kovil and archanai is done! before the release of "Kalyanaraman", when the archanai was done at Azhagar kovil (near Madurai), my dad was there in person (for some other work) and the info was given to him by a distributor friend who is very close to Kamal!

now, why does Kamal vehemently talk against theism in public ?

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Originally Posted by tmrrmt

yesterday while watching the show, my dad laughed at that remark by IR ! when I asked him, he told me that every movie of Kamal's will not be released without an archanai in Azhagar kovil, which is done at Kamal's insistence! I was stunned to hear this - when I probed further, my dad told me that Kamal's lucky number is 6 (as per numerology) and hence, the sixth reel of his yet-to-be-released movie is taken to Azhagar kovil and archanai is done! before the release of "Kalyanaraman", when the archanai was done at Azhagar kovil (near Madurai), my dad was there in person (for some other work) and the info was given to him by a distributor friend who is very close to Kamal!
now, why does Kamal vehemently talk against theism in public ?

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There is every chance that this has been done on someone else's (say, the producer, distributor, well wisher etc) insistence.
There is a very common habit amongst our people, especially Brahmins (my mom told me one even yesterday :)), who have a story or two about a Periyar offering prayers in temples, about Kalaignar doing an archanai and what not? About Kalaignar, he can stoop really low no doubts :), but Kamal?, nah!

it is very easy in India to become famous by talkin about atheism. but in their personal world, they could be practicing their religion, if u ask them why it is so, they would immediately say that personal life is diff from social life.

I am not trying to criticise Kamal. It is the fault of the people. They see these people as socrates and call them as Pagutharivu thanthai etc etc. What Pagutharivu did he give ? At the same time, people dont give a damn for the people who have fully realised (such as Guru Ramana).


IR was such saying that God doesnt give a damn for Kamal. He doesnt wait for Kamal to believe him......

But at the same time, IR's speech was very critical of Bharatiraja. He asked him to take 100s of births......

What I particularly dont like of IR's speech was that he talked as if he has acieved enlightenment. It could very well be true. But such Mahaans dont crave for publicity or political gains. They dont care if others praise/castigate them. Rajini gave a good speech and Vaiko's speech was awesome.

alwarpet_andavan - my source of information is authentic, besides, my dad himself has dabbled with distribution (MGR's URIMAIKKURAL) three decades ago

anyways, let us leave others beliefs to themselves, and focus on their works - so what is on with 'Vettaiyadu velaiyaadu' - I hope Kamal 'bendu nimithu'fies Harris Jeyaraj for some decent music!