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"It could be Tamilians who actually created sanskrit to communicate with North Indian people"'
That is streching it beyond a limit, but it is for sure that Sanskrit was highly influenced by Tamil durings its creation, just like it heavily borrowed from prakrits. MST is true as long as the 'M' stands for Mongrel
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aNdappuLukan - mikapperiya puLukan.
aNdA = mikapperiya pAnai.
ivaRRilirun-thu "aNdam" "aNdA" enRa soRkaLukkup "periya" ennum poruL/poruLum uLLathu enpathu therikiRathu.
miku perumaiyaik kuRikkum pirammANdam enRa sol amain-thathu evvARu?
perum aNdam > perumaNdam > pirammANdam!!
ithu pin piramma+aNdam enRu piRaza uNarappaddathu enalAm.
pirammA enpathum piRa, para enpavaRRuL onRilirun-thO allathu "perumAn" enRa sollin vadamozith thiripAkavO karuthaththakkathu. ithupaRRi mElE kURappadduLLathu.
pEraNdam enRu koLLAmal "perum aNdam" enRu (varumoziyil uyir muthalAka van-thavidaththum) uruvAkkam seyvathu, pEssu vazakkil "perum" enpathu payanpeRum vakai karuthi.
"brammaandam" is wrong or sanskritised pronunciation.
What is difference between word "poi" and "Pulugu"
Is there any other word in Tamil denoting "lie"?
There is a slight difference in their usage. "puLuku" has the connotation of a shameless, bare-faced lie and is therefore a little more perjorative than "poy".Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
There are a number of dialectual words meaning "lie" used in some parts of TN which have slightly different connotations. Words used in villages in the Thanjavur area include "puraLi" which specifically means deliberately decietful lies to cause trouble, "poccam" which carries a strong sense of moral repugnancy, and so on. And, of course, every dialect has its own repertoire of colloquial expressions used figuratively to mean lie. In my family, for example, we use phrases like "muzam pODarAn", "noNTi ADarAn", and so on.
There are quite a lot of words/expressions in Tamil language for the word lie! I am not able to collect all for you. Hence the following is not exhaustive. Secondly please note that some of the words given here may have other meanings as well, for example, the word aRRam. There may also be words which are hybrid or considered so generally (mixture of Tamil with other language). e.g.AkAcapajncAgkam.
poy and puLugu came from the same root word, but in usage, appear to have different connotations. poy is lie, (generally). "pulugu" is more on the side of lie that is harmless, spoken for the purpose of fun, boasting, surprise, esteem, tricking, trap etc (others you can imagine). One who regularly lies in this manner is known as puLugan or puLugiNi. But not everyone knows the subtle differences in these words and hence they may be used interchangeably.
Here are some for your to digest.
1 acAkacam
2 AkAcapajncAgkam * stupendous lie, as an almanac written in the air
3 Akatam
4 amAntam
5 aRRam
6 cannivEcam
7 coRpuraTTu
8 curi-ttal . to circumvent, accomplish by trickery
9 cuttappoy downright lie
10 illatan2apAvam * total negation, as in 'there is no lie in the mouths of great ones'
11 illAtapoy downright lie, utter falsehood
12 immi lie;
13 kaimmai lie
14 kaLLaccol 1. lie, falsehood; 2. pretence, pretext
15 kaLLam
16 kappi lie, bare-faced falsehood
17 kappuviTu-tal to lie, utter falsehood
18 kara-ttal to conceal, hide, disguise;
19 karaTiviTu-tal to disseminate a lie
20 kaRpitam 1. that which is invented, artificual; 2. fancy, imagination; 3. lie, fabrication
21 katai 1. a long story, anecdote, or narrative; 2. epic; 3. perun3katai , the story of utayan2an6; 4. fabrication, falsehood, lie; 5. romance; 6. fable; apologue; fiction; 7. message, communication; 8. manner; 9. talk, conversation, chit-chat
22 kazuttal lie
23 kirAntu-tal lie in concealment;
24 kiRi 1. falsehood, lie; 2. stratagem, article; 3. deceit, fraud, playful mischief, practical joke
25 kiruttimam 1. that which is artificial; 2. falsehood lie, fraud; 3. a class of demons
26 kimarimUttal 1. slander; 2. exposure of secrets; 3. falsehood lie
27 cazakku
28 caLam
When you have something that you can give and you decide to hide or not to give it away and tell a lie, this is known as "karavu". KaravuLLa uLLam urugum (kuRaL). Also note "poy" can also be negatively expressed as: "uNmaiyinmai" or "meyyazivu" or something. It all depends who is the user and how able she is in playing with words.
This is true of modern usage, of course, but I would have said that "puLugu" was originally the stronger word.Quote:
Originally Posted by bis_mala
Is puLugu Tamil?
In German Luege or Lug (poetical) means lie.
Aravindan wrote:
I had taken some time to draft my response to viggop independently and without view of anything contained in your (last ) post. I had posted it without any amendment as I drafted.Quote:
This is true of modern usage, of course, but I would have said that "puLugu" was originally the stronger word.
As further elaboration by me on the usage and meaning of the word would bring me outside the topic of this thread, I wld leave it as it is!! But this does not mean that I am trying to limit anyone here from delving into the 'ancient" usage of the word. By all means do so if you think it is relevant and if you have the materials..
Azhahan wrote:
Yes it is!! Thank you for pointing out a similar-sounding word in Ger.Quote:
Is puLugu Tamil?
pul > punmai (pul+mai, suffix). baseness.
pul - pullaRivu - pullaRivANmai.
pul> pulai > pulaiyan. ( one of low status)
pul > pol > poy, 1. falsehood, lie. 2. hole. (and other meanings).
pul > pol > poL > poLLal : a hole in a tree.
pul > pol > poL > poLLamaNi (unbored precious stone).
pul > pol > ponthu : a hole. (pol+thu(suffix) = ponthu. not ponRu. see: man+thiRam = manthiram, not manRiRam )
pul > puL > puzai, 1 hole. (aalappuzai )
pul > puL > puzu, something that liives in holes or grows in closed surroundings, a worm.
pul > puL > puLugu (puL+ (u) + ku ), a lie.
pul > pullaanguzal. (a 'holed' instrument )
pul > puL (that which comes out from an egg (concept of closed surrounding again) ) - a bird.
The root here is "pul" which means a hole, a closed place or something base(derived meaning).
I do not wish to go extensively into this. The above examples suffice to show that poy and puLugu are actually "statements with holes" and that was how the ancient Tamils considered them when deriving their words!!
pul > pulai (something base) > (pu)lai > lie (English)!!!
puLugu > luege or lug (german).
Nothing surprising. More often, you have to behead a Tamil/Dr word to get the Indo-European!!
I want to know the origin of "Vimal"/Vimala/Nirmala/Nirmal/Shymala"
It means pure in sanskrit.
"Mala" means impure.Does this come from the Tamil word "malam" meaning impurity?
Dikshitar priases Goddess in his evergreen Kriti "akhilandeshwari rakshamam" as
"nikhila lOka nityAtmikE vimalE nirmalE shyAmalE sakalakalE"