IR's composing technique

This kind of overscrutinizing IR's work has stripped off the
enigma and magic from his work. This I feel is a great disservice to the creator in him.
Why isn't anybody doing it for MSV?
vijay, don't hastily conclude that IR fans don't listen to other MDs.
if u take me , I prefer TFM till 1990. 90's is the worst decade for TFM (this is strictly imo) and
Iam convinced that IR's quality drastically fell post 92.
But it is a natural ageing process like it happened for MSV in late 70's. Iam not defending his bad works. But comparison with ARR or MSV can be odious.
MSV, IR both being prolific had their share of bad works .
Being a 70's film aficianado, Iam aware of MSV's bad works like in
"Manipayal", "paadhugaapu", "grihapravesam"( a sivaji hit
where all the songs were bad), enmagan and many more and all these were during MSV's heydays .Only ARR has very few craps due to his per song onerous effort.

Thumburu, I was talking about the medicore stuff even in the 80s. Most of the movies I listed previously were in the 80s itself. Of course, post-1992, it gets only worse.

"Why isn't anybody doing it for MSV? "

Because in the late 50s and 60s, he maintained a very high percentage.

"But for a genius like IR , it would be hell. plus he had a studio with some 100 musicians depending on him to score continuosly. Who is going to pay for them, music critics or critical fans like you sir?"

well, who is paying for them now? These are all just lame excuses. Musicians arent bonded to IR. If he does less films they can always find another MD to work for. Same musicians play for different MDs.

"Well, just to be in touch with maths and numbers. Same way IR keeps in touch with music to beimmersed in it"

Thats fine. I know he has to be in touch and thats why I felt he could have done more non-filmi albums like HTNI/NBW, attempted projects like TIS back then itself, when it would have been easier to raise funds/market etc. or at the least done more movies in MFM/TeFM and done less junk films in Tamil.

"However he is the one who has captured my imaginations for more than 20 years."

"Why do Mathematicians keep solving simple puzzles that is below their range? Well, just to be in touch with maths and numbers."

Presumably not the ones who are into publishing quality stuff in quality journals. They deal with enough math there. Of course, like in other pursuits, you have the quantity crazy guys in math too, who may simply tweak a result here and there to get one more, just to up their publication rate. God only knows why they do that. The quality guys, on the other hand, take their own time to come up with a finished product that is then suitable for dissemination through a quality journal.

Time waits for no one. GR, KVM, MSV all bit the dust when the flavor of the particular era happened. Same with IR and now ARR. For ARR to achieve the heights of the 90's, he has to work much harder, since his competition has already learned all his trademark tricks of making a song happen. HJ is breathing down his neck like never before. A telephone mani pol is answered with kannum kannum nokia.

Coming to the discussion on hand, I agree with most of what vijayR says. IR's greatest classics are just that. But he also delivered innumerable crappy songs.

BTW, does anyone else also share my annoyance with the guy who presents that sapthaswarangal program on Sun TV? He keeps raving about isaignani all the time, even if the participants present crappy songs. I think he is going overboard with his adulation, which is basically not wrong, but when you are a presenter you should not bring your personal prefudices to bear upon the presentation. It is a contest and fairness should be present at all levels. Even if this guy doesn't award the final grades, his constant chirping about isaignani can be unwholesome to those who present songs from other MDs.

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Musicians arent bonded to IR.

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I never meant that.
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But he also delivered innumerable crappy songs.

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I agree but my question is why should you guys haunt every thread that tries to analyse the positive things about IR's music to keep harping on his failures? Sure you can open a thread on crappy songs of IR and keep playing your gramaphone over there. This thread was meant for people who wondered at the way IR composed countless(innumerable) melodies that captured the hearts of millions of music lovers. Please go somewhere else to prove that you guys are the best critics. Nowadays even writing review in rediff or any website has become very easy. You can go over there and bash IR's failures.
What is it that you are trying to achieve by doing this? Atleast we are fans enjoying and reliving the pleasure of some good moments courtesy IR's music. What pleasure you derive out of this non-stop haunting of every IR thread and telling that IR produced crappy songs? I wonder why?

"He keeps raving about isaignani all the time"...that is not true. I had watched a number of episodes and A V Ramanan gives similar praise to all MD's (even SAR)...I'm sure he appreciates IR a lot (which is deserving too with a good percentage of participants choosing his melodies to enrich the program) but he never belittles others and gives them their due credit...

I feel that is one (rare) SunTV program with decency and some good standard...it has also contributed some decent singers to TFM I think...

app_engine, he is referring to the new comperer, T.SRaghavendar. AVRamanan's contract for sabthaswarangal got over sometime back. Nowadays, JayaTV's sabthaswarangal is good to watch and listen to.

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

Time waits for no one. GR, KVM, MSV all bit the dust when the flavor of the particular era happened. Same with IR and now ARR. For ARR to achieve the heights of the 90's, he has to work much harder, since his competition has already learned all his trademark tricks of making a song happen. HJ is breathing down his neck like never before. A telephone mani pol is answered with kannum kannum nokia.

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Please listen to Swades and Bose before writing something like this. HJ breathing down ARR's neck?? Thats a JOKE.

Jaiganes, if you go to the beginning of this thread, when you werent around, you will know the reason as to why the thread digressed. Rajasaranam brought in a few points and I had to reply to those. Prior to that, I had mentioned some points w.r.t to composing tunes for pre-written lyrics and vice-versa. Anyways, this thread's intro doesnt say that this is only a postives thread or meant for only praising IR's works. It just asks about the technique that IR adopted and I guess you can have all kinds of posts here, both positive and critical ones. Sorry if it bothers you.

I understand that vijay. However you have made this point innumerable times in this hub. You go a long time back in this forum. I am a recent entrant. Appeal to IR fans if they go overboard in their adulation and bash other MDs. rajasaranam is not the type who will simply bash other MDs. In fact recently he opened a thread on extraordinary themes of ARR in the "Bose movie", sadly the response to this thread was pretty laidback. It seems that even the fans of ARR didn't want to talk about the great work by ARR. Whatever IR may have done over the past 30 years, he has definitely raised the level of ordinary music fans of thamizh nadu. Now he has done ordinary albums, nobody is denying that. Just that it needs no constant reiteration is my point. I hope I didn't hurt you in anyway. If I have, then you have my apologies.

"does anyone else also share my annoyance with the guy who presents that sapthaswarangal program on Sun TV? He keeps raving about isaignani all the time, even if the participants present crappy songs"

i do Music4ever.....i feel like giving him "ONE TIGHT SLAP".....and have u guys ever noticed-participants singing ARR songs do not win 1st prize......that happens in jaya tv singing programme too......pls do not bring some isolated example stating that karthik won in sapthaswarangal after singing a ARR song, my view is a generalised view and i've watched this for the past 3-4 yrs.........
mujhe toh lagta hain suntv and jaya tv programmes shuld be called "Abaswarangal"........just compare it with TVS-saregama on ZEE tv where judges consider ARR's songs as a benchmark for good singing.....