THIRUKKURALH

Friends,

Valluvar views on Vegetatrionism

Porul Atchi Porratharku Illai Arul Atchi
Anku Illai Vun Thinbavarku. Kural 252

Vunnamai Vullathu Vuyilnilai Vun Vunna
Annaththal Cheiyathu Alaru. Kural 255


For those who do not give proper value for money, can not control Money management and Similarly for One who is eating Flesh of Other Animals will wont get Benefits of Divine Blessings due to his acts. Friends- Arul is always translated as Divine Blessings.

The Hell itself doesnot allow the dead body inside, then why should man kill and eat Dead Animal’s flesh and loose Divine Blessings.

Friends- Thiruvalluvar is very clear on Vegetarionism; For most of us who are used to eating otherwise, should start missing it on certain days of week and slowly leave it, but it is not easy.

Moses Solomon

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Friends,

Valluvar views on Vegetatrionism

Porul Atchi Porratharku Illai Arul Atchi
Anku Illai Vun Thinbavarku. Kural 252

Vunnamai Vullathu Vuyilnilai Vun Vunna
Annaththal Cheiyathu Alaru. Kural 255


For those who do not give proper value for money, can not control Money management and Similarly for One who is eating Flesh of Other Animals will wont get Benefits of Divine Blessings due to his acts. Friends- Arul is always translated as Divine Blessings.

The Hell itself doesnot allow the dead body inside, then why should man kill and eat Dead Animal’s flesh and loose Divine Blessings.

Friends- Thiruvalluvar is very clear on Vegetarionism; For most of us who are used to eating otherwise, should start missing it on certain days of week and slowly leave it, but it is not easy.


Solomon anna, finally you have accepted that the **** vedic cow sacrificers learnt vegetarianism from tamils !

Solomon please provide such examples from kural

chapter 8

267. A Kshatriya, having defamed a Brahmana, shall be fined one hundred (panas); a Vaisya one hundred and fifty or two hundred; a Sudra shall suffer corporal punishment.

270. A once-born man (a Sudra), who insults a twice-born man with gross invective, shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin.

377. But even these two, if they offend with a Brahmani (not only) guarded (but the wife of an eminent man), shall be punished like a Sudra or be burnt in a fire of dry grass.


380. Let him never slay a Brahmana, though he have committed all (possible) crimes; let him banish such an (offender), leaving all his property (to him) and (his body) unhurt

413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.

414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?

415. There are slaves of seven kinds, (viz.) he who is made a captive under a standard, he who serves for his daily food, he who is born in the house, he who is bought and he who is given, he who is inherited from ancestors, and he who is enslaved by way of punishment.

416. A wife, a son, and a slave, these three are declared to have no property; the wealth which they earn is (acquired) for him to whom they belong.

417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions.

418. (The king) should carefully compel Vaisyas and Sudra to perform the work (prescribed) for them; for if these two (castes) swerved from their duties, they would throw this (whole) world into confusion.


chapter 10

129. No collection of wealth must be made by a Sudra, even though he be able (to do it); for a Sudra who has acquired wealth, gives pain to Brahmanas


chapter 11

131. He who has slain a Sudra, shall perform that whole penance during six months, or he may also give ten white cows and one bull to a Brahmana.

132. Having killed a cat, an ichneumon, a blue jay, a frog, a dog, an iguana, an owl, or a crow, he shall perform the penance for the murder of a Sudra;

The previous posting were just a sample of the greatness of manu smiriti

Friends,

Let us keep TIRUKURAL FORUM ONLY WITH KURAL ALONE.

Anchaneya, TIRUKURAL forum should kept only as a forum for TIRUKURAL, I agree with you there. Solomon said that sanskrit lit only poetically refers discrimination and that TIRUKURAL is full of casteism. Here I posted the filth from Manu and am asking Solomon to post the equivalent from TIRUKURAL. Which I am sure he cannot

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Parpanan-Brahmin

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paarpan means one who looks after a temple. from the root: paar = to see or oversee. During Sangam era the word had a slightly different meaning. Any person of any walk of life could then take on that job and be known as "paarppan". Paarpanan is just another form of the word "paarpanan".

Brahmin (same as BrahmaNan or BrahmaNa ) was a person who had realised Brahman, the god, through his long study and adherence to noble conduct. Thus Viswamitra, a king, became a Brahmana. Thirisanku a king was "demoted" from his position. These stories show that a person of one position could take on another. Valmiki a hunter became a BrahmaNa. Vedavyasa a fisherman became a BrahmaNa. They were realised BrahmaNas. A god-realised man could then transmit his realisation to another and then ordain him as BrahmaNa. The latter then becomes "twice born". As the system progressed through ages, professional groups became mutually exclusive.


"aRuthozilOr nuul maRappar" - ( kuRaL 560) cited above.

aRuthozil = aRam iyaRRuthalaith thoZilaai udayOr. nuul - aRa nuulkaL. aRam < aRu + am; aRuthozil = aRu + thozil. Please notice the word "aRu" , which means defining codes of conduct.


anthaNar = am+thaN +ar. means aRuL udayOr, aRavOr. Does not refer to any closed group of people.

Oththu from Othu (verb) means read. Oththu = nuul.

Oththudai anthaNar (in MaNimEkalai etc ) means those who spend their time and life reading. No closed group is referred..

Should not read present day twisted understandings of these words into texts which are 2000 years old! Cannot assume that meanings and social conditions and rules governing them never changed.

Friends,

We get lot more friends who are all BRAINWASHED by the Nonsense of Thani-Tamil Movement people, and keep repeating the Nonsesnse of Wrong Beliefs.

Tholkappiyam to Sangam Lit. to Manimekhalai refers to Vedas in Different names and Brahmins as Parpanarkal or Anthanarkal.

Parpanarkal means Forseers, With Panchangam a part of Sruthi, they forsee Rain etc., and Guide what crop is better, whether You can undertake Travel etc., Also they see the Dharma- Aram and tell you.

Anthanar- Again from Antham; the Ultimate Vedas they see and tell you , this is what Sangam Lit tells.

Friends, I HAVE posted Numerous articles in Tamil is Elder Thread and also this. Please Download all Pages and read them.

Solomon

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friends who are all BRAINWASHED by the Nonsense of Thani-Tamil Movement people,

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Friends, one should opt for washed brains rather than unwashed or dirty ones!!

Thani Thamizh movement is not nonsense!! The movement aims to keep Tamil pure or as pure as possible since heavy admixture of foreign words corrupts the language. There is nothing wrong with that. Its just like other movements in other parts of the country and world. Hindi purged most Urdu words. French purged itself of foreign words too. The Chinese language keeps itself pure by refusing foreign words and elements. Sanskritists talk of purity of Sanskrit.
So why not Tamils?

If anthaNar is from antham (=end or last ), someone aptly said that it means those who came to Tamil Nadu as the last "batch".
If antham is end, what's meant by "aNar"?

As said by me, since it means aruLudayOr, it did not refer to any particular group of people. The correct etymology is am+thaN+ar.

Solomon is entitled to his view. He implies in his posts that most people here do not believe him.

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Parpanarkal means Forseers, With Panchangam a part of Sruthi, they forsee Rain etc., and Guide what crop is better, whether You can undertake Travel etc., Also they see the Dharma- Aram and tell you.

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All just speculation isn't it?

The group of people that Solomon is thinking about were in fact performing "yagas" or "velvi" when they entered the "profession" in TN. Hence they did not see these things. The vaLLuvar kudi did so and since the later new group after learning the job from the vaLLuvars, also 'applied' for these posts with the passage of time. there was a necessity to distinguish the new job entrants from those old group. The old group was referred to as "muthu parppaan" or "maamuthu paarppaan" as they were called in Silappathikaaram!! By contrast, the new entrants to the post were then "puthu paarppan" or "puththELir" as they were called by vaLLuvar in kuRaL.

[ puthu + aaL = ] puththaaL > puththEL (new people or new-comers.) ; puththELir (plural form).

Where they came from was called: "puththELir ulagu".

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Anthanar- Again from Antham; the Ultimate Vedas they see and tell you ,

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What is ' ultimate' about it? Call them just 'vEdas!!'

Millions of people in the subcontinent get on with their daily lives very comfortably without ever looking up the Vedas for anything. Even the group that were ordained to propagate the Vedas when they were in their unwritten stage forgot most of them. There were numerous Vedas and because the groups concerned kept forgetting them, some of them saved had to be written down to prevent further loss. Most of the mantras recited in our temples now are not from the Vedas, are they?
The people of TN never had to refer to them. In Tamil Nadu, it is siddaantham and not Vedaantham. Solo's view that paarpaan had to refer to Vedas and tell you (answer your queries) is pure imaginative nonsense!! Even for the pro-vedic group, they only memorise in veda padasalai to be relegated to the backyards of their minds once they "graduate". Vedic philosophy has little or no application to TN, - not in Sangam Age nor even today!!

One who adhered to Vedic philosophy was referred to at first as vEthiyan. Now its meaning is more general.

So paarpaan is one who looks after the temple. Nothing specifically to do with any of the vEdas!! Vedas have nothing whatsoever to do with the etymology of the word paarppaan, with which we are here concerned and as it is used in kuRaL.

Idiyappam wrote: So paarpaan is one who looks after the temple. Nothing specifically to do with any of the vEdas!! Vedas have nothing whatsoever to do with the etymology of the word paarppaan, with which we are here concerned and as it is used in kuRaL.

Well said Idiyappam, infact vedas did not know temple worship at all. Worship in vedas meant having a bonfire and butchering helpless animals. People call it a great a civilization!, such barbarism is nothing but a shame on entire humanity. Fortunatley these vedics had the natives of India (Tamils) to learn some culture from.