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Good Dev & app_engine,
It is good to know that you got cured using homeopathy. Unfortunately such individual claims can not considered as a scientific proof. Scientific proof needs a proof which is repetive in a controlled environement. Most of the individual claimers forget to tell about the other parallel treatments undergone.
The reports I had gone extensively are from world highly reputed medical journals like Lancet and recent scientific challange conducted by BBC Horizon and James Randi Research foundation. I have the entire video and statistical report. I will post some of the snapshots from the video soon.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...meopathy.shtml
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...71772/abstract
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http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
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I will also explain why these are looking as effective slowly, even from my personal experience.
Many of the World Health Organization doctors advised not to use homeopathy as alternative.
Dr Mario Raviglione, Director, Stop TB Department, WHO
http://www.who.int/tb/about/raviglio.../en/index.html
: "Our evidence-based WHO TB treatment/management guidelines, as well as the International Standards of Tuberculosis Care (ISTC) do not recommend use of homeopathy."
Dr Mukund Uplekar, TB Strategy and Health Systems, WHO: "WHO's evidence-based guidelines on treatment of tuberculosis...have no place for homeopathic medicines."
Dr Teguest Guerma, Director Ad Interim, HIV/AIDS Department, WHO:
http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/b..._guerma_en.pdf
"The WHO Dept. of HIV/AIDS invests considerable human and financial resources [... ] to ensure access to evidence-based medical information and to clinically proven, efficacious, and safe treatment for HIV... Let me end by congratulating the young clinicians and researchers of Sense About Science for their efforts to ensure evidence-based approaches to treating and caring for people living with HIV."
Dr Sergio Spinaci, Associate Director, Global Malaria Programme, WHO: "Thanks for the amazing documentation and for whistle blowing on this issue... The Global Malaria programme recommends that malaria is treated following the WHO Guidelines for the Treatment of Malaria".
Joe Martines, on behalf of Dr Elizabeth Mason, Director, Department of Child and Adolescent Health and Development, WHO: "We have found no evidence to date that homeopathy would bring any benefit to the treatment of diarrhoea in children...Homeopathy does not focus on the treatment and prevention of dehydration - in total contradiction with the scientific basis and our recommendations for the management of diarrhoea."
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/...Homeopathy.pdf
I didn't use ANY parallel medication in my case. So your statement is incorrect there.Quote:
Originally Posted by r_kk
I also don't claim Homeo has cure for EVERY sickness (in fact none of the medical systems has). So, the TB research etc, while may be true, does not disprove the whole system.
My post was like wherever it works, use it. Don't shout "it is useless" etc based on some "papers". They are not even worth the cost of the paper on which they're printed IMSO! (Often people do "studies" and "researches" based on funding by pharmaceutical giants, which are in reality only marketing / ad expenses).
None of the WHO or any doctors is qualified to say in "blanket" terms against ANY medical system (as no one is a "know-all" and every one of their statements don't stand against my own personal experience and that of others. And definitely I'm not talking about "faith-healing", "mind-over-matter" business here).
And your claim of "scientifically proving everything" just brings to my mind how many times the scientists have changed their theories in the past (often 180 degrees on a number of health issues). So, many of these reports may not stand the test of times.
Do you know that science is also a matter of "faith" when it comes to explaining how the first cell originated? :D
r_kk, enakku ninaivu therinja mudhal I've used allopathy treatment only 4 times in my life so far...once when I was on a vac & had a severe food poisoning... The other was when I was bit by my cousin I had to take some injection...:lol: the other was when I met with a minor accident I took a TT & some antiseptic was given... & the very recent one was for my pregnancy & childbirth... even there I used homeopathy medicines to improve my chances of normal delivery... In all the situations, I din't have much options other than to go for allopathy treatment...& there's no question of me using parallel medications for the other illnesses I had mentioned earlier... scientific proof or not, it has been effective in my case... so y bother abt scientific proofs???!!!
I'm also reminded of the recent "whistle blower" lawsuit against Pfizer where a terminated employee got millions from the fine gov imposed on them for their false claims of a medicine. Fraud is there all around in "scientific" community and I won't buy any tall claims by these labs anymore :-)
Homeopathy is in no way a "psychic, supernatural or paranormal" phenomenon. Then where is the question of accepting any challenge ? It is a scientific treatment, very much similar to how vaccines work in our body, which is why the medicine becomes more potent as the dilution increases. And it works on the principle of using a poison or any substance which creates the same symptoms in our body as the ailment as the medicine - only it is diluted hundreds of times that it can no longer be identified as the original substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by r_kk
Well, I find homeo medicines to be the best to stop / treat any diarrhoea, without any side effect whatsoever, which cannot be claimed by any antibiotic.Quote:
Joe Martines, on behalf of Dr Elizabeth Mason, Director, Department of Child and Adolescent Health and Development, WHO: "We have found no evidence to date that homeopathy would bring any benefit to the treatment of diarrhoea in children...Homeopathy does not focus on the treatment and prevention of dehydration - in total contradiction with the scientific basis and our recommendations for the management of diarrhoea."
One of the basic constant of Chemistry is Avogadro constant 6.022 141 79(30) × 1023 mol^-1. Homeopathy dilution philosophy seriously voilates this. You have either throw Avogadro or Homeopathy. Please read my thread on Alternate medicine to understand more.
Just for example, add 1 drop of snake poison in Gangothri and take 1 drop of Ganga water in Haridwar as Homeopathic medicine for Plague fever. Will you accept as Homeopathic medicine?
Then there are so many claims for miracle cures, cures just due to placebo pills, cures due to x, cures due to y etc in few individual cases. Since there were cures due to unidentified reason, whether we can accept all x and y as proven medical practices?
It is not just diluting, - the substance gets processed at each stage.
Well, I don't see the need for all this explanation - nobody is trying to convert anybody. Like Dev said, you can try all you like :) We are enjoying the entertainment. It was fun reading PR's and app-engine's posts :D
Thanks for clarifying Ksen.
If you still feel like explaining, please explain about the “substance getting processed” (vigorous shaking) and where we get 100% pure water without any memory effect.
Then, I don’t write any thing just for fun, because in India, many people take these really serious; consider pseudoscience as real and loose health and wealth. I had written just to put an alternative view to the readers, those who read this forum, based on the available scientific approaches. In fact I very well know that it is not easy to change any one. But if any one of you can prove, I will change. The challenges to Homeopathy by James Randi are always available to any one who thinks they have some proof.
I hope you all might have read about the recent bursting of frauds like P Vijayakumar of Travancore Raja Vaidhya Salai in Mylapore, who was running a successful hospital and TV show about his treatment in Vijay TV. Unfortunately many people fall victim (heavy metal poisoning) and lost not only their lakhs of rupees but also their loved one’s health.
As some one said science is also evolving. It is true, for example, we evolved from Newtonian to Quantum, but it doesn’t mean we need to agree to all pseudoscience hoping that it will become true oneday. As on today, based on current scientific theories, homeopathy is not falling under SCIENCE.
r_kk, is your claim that no-one gets any cure from homoepathy ? And that any reported cure was a mere fluke ? i.e. that homeopathic drugs will/have failed to be statistically more significant than not having any medication at all (which to me is the logical extension of questioning basic tenets of the system, right ?) . If so, then I think I have just seen too many cases of it working to consider this line of argument any further.
OTOH if your claim is that in most cases allopathic drugs 'outperform' homeopathic ones, then that is a different question altogether.