Maestro Ilaiyaraja New Albums 2011 - Hello Jaihind / Sri Rama Rajyam

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

thumburu,

With due respects to you, I think you sometimes occupy a very high pedestal and pass comments as if they are the absolute final words about anything. We can disagree on whether the tune was good or the lyrics were better but to call 'adiushas' as a pedestrian tune is sheer arrogance. (I personally do not think the lyrics of 'adiushas' are outstanding to the extent that the tune becomes pedestrian. I don't want to get into a lyrics vs tune debate here since I have equal respect for ONV and Raja.)

In his speech Raja clearly explains how he had to change the meter of the song to get the emotion he wanted. I would advice you to please watch the video of Raja's speech to have a clearer understanding of what he wanted to convey.

My humble request again. Please do not get someone like MSV into the discussion. The last discussion I want is Raja vs MSV type of discussion. Let us leave that great man alone. We have enough other fights to participate in :)

I don't think anyone has any arguments about the lyrics you quoted. Everyone, including me, have bashed this up enough times.

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Suresh, What pedestal do u expect a battered, bruised long time loyal fan to be in, when she has been time and again let down by her favourite composer whom she still doggedly believes while the whole world had moved on. Hulkister, whatever expectation I had,went 'kaput' post "kadhalukku mariyadhai" itself and now I still continue to get surprised and excited about every tiny good interlude bit or nice phrase emanating from him.But Iam not interested in being content with just 2 options - either the high profile recycles of "cheeni kum"/"Paa" or the trash worthy D-graded left overs like Valmikis/Jaganmohinis/Azhagarmalais. That is why Pazhassi is very dear to me and many here who contributed to almost 70% of the 100 pages thread with Pazhassi puranam
Though "kunnathe" was my initial ,instant pick, after reading Shankar's wonderful write up at dhool.com regarding the lyrical beauty that aptly portrays the anguish of invasion, I changed my stance and now "adhiushas" is perched at the top of my PR playlist. Note that I didn't start the hair-splitting exercise. I said only the tune is ordinary and not the song . This song with its sterling lyrics, orchestration, backdrop, ok tune will be cherished for long . Not only that, the prewritten lyrics in "adhiushas" has provoked IR to come up with a very unique song where the "dejavu" black sheep is not lurking anywhere which itself is a no mean feat. Well, I cannot say the same for the syruppy "odathannil" with its cliched, stereotyped sandhams that remind you of so many of his earlier numbers.That is the benefit derived out of classy pre-written lyrics . Iam aware that a music director has to budge out of his comfort zone to come up with a captivating song for prewritten lyrics. So my quoting MSV here is not out of context for he has excelled in such cases like "therottam ananda shenbaga poovattam" from "noolveli" as one such an example . Raja himself did it in Bharathy. It is funny to see him condoning abysmally crude "pacha menis", "kooda varuviyaa" etc while nitpicking on "adhiushas"

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It is funny to see him condoning abysymally crude "pacha menis", "kooda varuviyaa" etc while nitpicking on "adhiushas"

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Avanga ammam samigal, jalra poduravangala irukkum, Ivaru konjam maruthu pesi irupparu :yessir:

Well, you can only criticise when there is scope for excellence. Azzhagar Malai, Valmikikku ellAm adhu pOdhumnu nenaichirukkalAm. Again, Remember that he doesnt attend audio functions always - andha functionlAM attend panNi irundhA enna sollli iruppArO yaaru kandA?

Another PR review:

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...azhasiRaja.asp

படத்தின் முதல் ஹீரோ நமது இசைஞானி இளையராஜாதான். பின்னணி இசையில் இவர்தான் முன்னணி ராஜா என்பதை எல்லா காட்சிகளுமே உணர்த்துகின்றன. 'ஆதிமுதல் காலம் பூத்ததிங்கே' என்ற பாடல் சுகமோ சுகம். அதையே கீ போர்டிலும், வயலினிலும் இசைத்து பின்னணிக்கு பயன்படுத்தியிருப்பது ராஜ வசியம்!

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Originally Posted by thumburu

It is funny to see him condoning abysmally crude "pacha menis", "kooda varuviyaa" etc while nitpicking on "adhiushas"

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I dont know what is Pacha menis, but "Kooda Varuviyaa" is crude to you???????? I am surprised!!! It is one of the most brilliant compositions of this year.I would put that song alone, higher than some of the whole albums like "Azhagar Malai". Kooda Variviyaa is atmospheric. It has an ambience. It makes you crave for a long walk in the woods, during the dawn time when there is mist. Oh, I have so many images and craving to picturise that song. And for you its crude??I dont know what to say! :-|

In my opinion, of all the Raja songs that released in 2009, Mudi Mudi / Udi Udi has the greatest 'repeat' value. Just couldnt get enough of it.

This Thumburu, whoever it is.....
is totally pathetic....all I can imagine is that he or she is a ARR fan very much disguised as IR old timer and looking for cheap thrills here...

Absolutely braindead specimen! No point in taking it seriously and wasting space responding or even acknowledging....in my opinion...

If Adhiuhya is a pedestrian tune then I am keen to know how he describes all the latest ARR tunes....

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Originally Posted by raagas

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Originally Posted by thumburu

It is funny to see him condoning abysmally crude "pacha menis", "kooda varuviyaa" etc while nitpicking on "adhiushas"

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I dont know what is Pacha menis, but "Kooda Varuviyaa" is crude to you???????? I am surprised!!! It is one of the most brilliant compositions of this year.I would put that song alone, higher than some of the whole albums like "Azhagar Malai". Kooda Variviyaa is atmospheric. It has an ambience. It makes you crave for a long walk in the woods, during the dawn time when there is mist. Oh, I have so many images and craving to picturise that song. And for you its crude??I dont know what to say! :-|

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Raagas,
She means the lyrics, not the songs themselves

thumburu,

Let us agree to disagree. I don't think anyone would have come up with better tune for those lyrics. Secondly, let us agree to disagree about the lyrics as well. To me, the lyrics are very generic. They do contain a couple of good lines but don't tell the story (something which Kannadasan probably would have done effortlessly.) Anyway, no point splitting hairs here. Personally I hold that the lyrics per say did not have the emotion of pathos, which Raja brought out in the tune. For example, the way he has tuned 'aanathera mamalathan mouna mudachu' with a bit of pathos running through it is exemplary. For the lyrics provided and the meter provided, Raja has done superb work with his tune. Ofcourse orchestration brilliance is present for everyone to see.

Secondly, you quote 'odathandil' and conveniently leave out 'kunnathe'. Now both were tuned first and lyrics written later. So how come 'kunnathe' is inferior to any song tuned for lyrics?

I still maintain a poet cannot get the twist and turns that a music composer can and will probably write in the sandam that suits him / her and that can become monotonous to a music director. There are so many old songs who sandhamans reminds one of other songs of the same music director, probably because the poet has used the same meter. It applies to almost every of the great music directors who tuned for pre-written lyrics.

Again, from Raja's speech, what I infer is that he was very involved with this story and hence probably wanted the lyrics to convey the sense of despondency that the king feels and since he did not see them in the lyrics, he told how he got the despondency through his tune. A simple explanation and not nitpicking.

All I can say is that scoring for Pazhassi Raja would have been beyond the scope of any current MD. The songs and BGM are proof of it.

raagas,

As Bala pointed out, thumburu is referring to the lyrics. I personally don't know why she included 'koodavaruviya' as crude. The lyrics of 'kooda varuviya' may not be top class but it definitely doesn't fall in the crude category. To me the lyrics are quite nice.

ezy,

thumburu has a point of view and it is clear she hold the 80s Raja dear. It is an obsession of many. Don't let ARR be your obsession. You can check out the 'Last Raja song listened to' thread to see what thumburu posts. Dragging ARR when there is no provocation is not going to help anybody.