Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

For example, MonoGyny or "one woman to one woman marriage". Polygyny is illegal in Hindu Law. Several Gods are in violation to law even according to us, the Hindus. And so are several famous characters in the epics. It is unlawful to venerate someone who has, in his act and deed, is in violation to law.

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Polygamy is illegal according to Indian law, not Hindu law. Before the English came, polygamy was in vogue in the community depending on one's wealth. Monogamy was a very Christian thing. When the constitution was made it made polygamy illegal. As u have pointed in one of your previous posts, our constitution is a copy of the British constitution (Victorian in flavour).
Hindiusm is extremely rigid in some aspects (caste system) and wonderfully flexible in other aspects (accepting monogamy, even though it was an integral part of the system). Its like a spectrum.

Your views project a different dimension and it would be easier for the reader if you stream them please.

I think it's safe to assume Pizza = Anti-Hindu Fanatic! :lol2: What else could one expect from him? :huh:

Eelavar,
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Originally Posted by bis_mala

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Other religions have a single code of conduct for all its members. So atleast within the religion there is tolerance.

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This, Pizzalot, does not hold water. Christianity has many denominations and each denomination has its own codes of conduct or rules for adherents. The rules for Sunni Muslims are different from those for Shia Muslims. They have separated as they could not agree on a single code for themselves. Mahayana Buddhism has rules which are different from those of Hinayana Buddism.

The intolerance to a code results in excommunication by the Pope of the offending member in the case of Catholicism who have codes different of course from those of the Pentecost Church!! (for example). The Muslims issue death warrants (fatwah) against their own members. You see, the intolerance in these religions are INSTITUTIONALISED AND RIGOURSLY ENFORCED. There is no such promulgation or enforcement in Hinduism!! Not institutionalized in Hinduism: there may be “pressure” applied by peers and family members. No fatwahs. No excommunications, which is why other religions are free to operate in India and attract Hindus into their fold. The bill against forced conversions was by a duly constituted government in TN and not by a religious authority like the Ayatolah in Iran!! Consequently, Hindus have lost many of their members to other religions in recent times. That Anti-conversion law is now repealed.

Summarizing this point for you: There is no official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practised in Hinduism. Agree?

Will continue….

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Dear bis_mala

Excellent.

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

I know several places where the Gods and Gospels contradict the Hindu Law.

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In case you did not believe in any god or goddess, then better still. Since gods and goddesses do not exist for you, there is automatically no conflict or contradiction whatsoever. How can anything contradict with something non-existent.

So, no case at all however you look at it!!

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Very Good

dear pizza

you still belives in hindu religion, thats why u have chosen "The Hindu Lord Shiva" in your avatar.

cheers

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Originally Posted by johntony

dear pizza

you still belives in hindu religion, thats why u have chosen "The Hindu Lord Shiva" in your avatar.

cheers

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Yes I am. But not much to cheer about. I rather wanna be a "Hindu reformer" rather than a "Hindu". I know NO OTHER RELIGION better than Hinduism. All the good and bad of it.

You can see a glass half-full or half-empty. I choose the second choice because I wish it was "full". Many are complacent with the way it is half-full. If Vivekananda did not ask so much questions to his Guru (and may I presume your Guru too looking at your avatar ?) the West would never have known anything about Hinduism. I also feel just one Vivekananda is not enough for 100 years. I want everyone you, me, Mala (that is what your name is bis_mala ?), Surya, Eelavar and everyone in this world to question, doubt, not-to-agree etc etc about what you hear, what you read and even what you believe in every step of life. He did not exempt even himself. He understood and explained Hinduism with his knowledge of science and logic. Now science has grown so much and we need to start thinking and evaluating our religion based on it.

Just remember what is true today can be proved false tomorrow.

What was written or said 1000 years before WILL NOT BE VALID FOR TODAY. "Change" is the only "permanence" in this Universe. Only a small portion of it will be true, if ever.

After something changes it is no more the same thing.

Nothing to do with the subject of Hindu Genocide. Since you exclaimed, I just wanted to confirm I AM A HINDU.

That must not make you or anyone here believe I am just talking non-sense and wasting your time. Amidst sycophantism, I am a critique. You can see me that way.

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

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Originally Posted by Pizzalot

How much the eipcs, scriptures, puranas etc of Hinduism, have really helped frame the Hindu Laws in India ? The epics, gospels etc I believe have this "article of faith" central to in them. So we should be able to turn them into practical laws and expect evey Hindu to abide by it.

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THANK YOU FRIENDS.

Mr Pizzalot,

I have not taken Hindu Law but there is subject in legal studies by that name. It is one of the 52 – 60 law subjects you can study for your BL or LLB. Are you referring to this subject? (Optional Subject)
I do not know how much of puranas, scriptures etc., went into this “Hindu Law”. I do not think India has a Hindu Legal Code (specially enacted) , for I have not come across any in my U law library in Malaysia. Neither in the Inns of Court library in England. I do not know whether you are from the legal background but collection of relevant judicial precedents and writings of eminent Hindu jurists can be sources of Hindu Law and these can be used in dispute-settlement by the courts of law.
I suggest you visit your nearest library or law bookshops for the materials you are seeking. But I know that some “rules” from the scriptures have been applied to cases before them by the Indian courts. Once applied in that manner, the judgements
will be made available in the AIR or BLR or other series. I cannot set out to do a research in this area. But why do you say that every Hindu must abide by these “laws” ? Why do you think that these laws are not being applied now by the Courts in India where they are applicable? Please let us know your interest.

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I appreciate your arguments Mala. Surely you must be a good attorney.

But there IS the Hindu Law which is applicable only to Hindus.

I do not blame you , for you might have surely read it as a part of your curriculum if you were in India.

Irnoically, it was the British who enacted the Hindu Laws and they were strictly based on our scriptures. They had to scrap it out because it did not "fit" the Hindus.

The Hindu Laws were replaced by the Anglo Hindu Law upon which the current Hindu Law is based. This is for your reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_law

And yes, every Hindu in India has to abide by that law.

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

Bismala, well said mate :wink:

THERE IS NO DOGMA IN HINDUISM !!!!!

Don't you know that Pizza ??

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Yes. Because it is a Anglo-Hindu Law that is enacted. Do you want me to elaborate the dogma of our scriptures ? Do you want me to elaborate about the acts that are punishable with death sentences based upon the pure and original Hindu Law ? You will not become angry but will only laugh at "their" ignorance.

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Originally Posted by dsath

The names of what we understand as 'Religion' was generally given by non-Indian natives. I think it is generally accepted that the Persians (if i am not right, then some other non-Indian) gave the name Hinduism and the same is the case with Buddhism. The name was given by outsiders. So India is a birth place of many movements which later evolved into religions.

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Buddha from Budhi or wisdom. It is Indian if you agree Sanskrit is Indian. It is not if you say it is a Indo-European language ("Indo" but basically a European language).

I do not want to contend on this issue and am not going to build any case on this issue anyway.

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Originally Posted by dsath

Polygamy is illegal according to Indian law, not Hindu law..

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No it is violant only according to Hindu Law(Anglo-Hindu Law) which is applicable to only Hindus. It is is dream of the rightists that this law be repealed to the original Hindu Law based upon our scriptures given by our great saints.

Here I want you, ladies, to support me.

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Before the English came, polygamy was in vogue in the community depending on one's wealth.
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Monogamy was a very Christian thing.
Not justa Christian thing. It is a very civilized thing[/quote="dsath"]

Ladies, please support me here.
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When the constitution was made it made polygamy illegal.
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No. It was made illegal even before Indian Constitution was born.
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As u have pointed in one of your previous posts, our constitution is a copy of the British constitution (Victorian in flavour).
Hindiusm is extremely rigid in some aspects (caste system) and wonderfully flexible in other aspects (accepting monogamy, even though it was an integral part of the system). Its like a spectrum.
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The Original Hindu Laws were not flexible. That is the reason it died.

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Originally Posted by dsath

Your views project a different dimension and it would be easier for the reader if you stream them please.

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With so little time, so much of thoughts and very slow typing speed makes me feel like a criple on posts. :(

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Originally Posted by Surya

I think it's safe to assume Pizza = Anti-Hindu Fanatic! :lol2: What else could one expect from him? :huh:

Eelavar,
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If I were a anti-Hindu fanatic, I will not waste my time here. I will have rather gone to Muslim or Christian forums.

I am just a anti Hindu-Fanatic. Do you want me to say that one thousand more times ?

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Law is made for human beings to comply. Laws made by humans are not applicable to Gods and Goddesses!! How can any human make laws for Gods and Goddesses?
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It is central to both Vaishnavites and Shaivites that God took their avatars in Human form only to show the way to live for the man kind.

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Goddess marrying many times ...
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Only the Gods could have several wives. Not even the Goddess can marry or re-marry.
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So Hindu laws are for humans and not for celestial beings.
Ok?
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Nope. Hindu Laws or its ante-cedant Vedic Laws were applicable to Humans and were practiced devotedly. According to Manu-smirti, no case can be registered on men even if they killed his wife, animals or sudras as long as he was the owner of these beings.

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YOUR BASIC FAULT: YOU THOUGHT HUMAN LAWS APPLY TO GODS AND GODDESSES WHEN THEY DO NOT EVEN APPLY TO PROPHETS WHO ARE HUMAN BEINGS!!
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I do not think it is my fault. I think it is my strength to have the ability to think that everyone be it the King, God or Shankaracharya to be subjected by the same law especially when it is said to be given by God himself. If it is wrong, I will, to my strength, however weak l might be, will attempt to bring the offender to the Law for punishment.

I will not be at fault to even expect that if God was a gentleman, he himself will surrender. Like Krishna does in Mahabharatha, for every offense (offense according to Manu-Smirti) that he commits.

In Shivitism, a poet calls Shiva a bluff even after knowing it is Shiva himself.

Now tell me if the Gods fall within the Law or not ?

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

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Other religions have a single code of conduct for all its members. So atleast within the religion there is tolerance.

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This, Pizzalot, does not hold water. Christianity has many denominations and each denomination has its own codes of conduct or rules for adherents. The rules for Sunni Muslims are different from those for Shia Muslims. They have separated as they could not agree on a single code for themselves. Mahayana Buddhism has rules which are different from those of Hinayana Buddism.

The intolerance to a code results in excommunication by the Pope of the offending member in the case of Catholicism who have codes different of course from those of the Pentecost Church!! (for example). The Muslims issue death warrants (fatwah) against their own members. You see, the intolerance in these religions are INSTITUTIONALISED AND RIGOROUSLY ENFORCED. There is no such promulgation or enforcement in Hinduism!! Not institutionalized in Hinduism: there may be “pressure” applied by peers and family members. No fatwahs. No excommunications, which is why other religions are free to operate in India and attract Hindus into their fold. The bill against forced conversions was by a duly constituted government in TN and not by a religious authority like the Ayatolah in Iran!! Consequently, Hindus have lost many of their members to other religions in recent times. That Anti-conversion law is now repealed.

Summarizing this point for you: There is no official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practised in Hinduism. Agree?

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No, again. There WAS official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practiced in the Hindu society. What law do you think the Kings followed in the courts ? It was strict Manu-Smirti.

"Sati" is just ONE such example. It looked barbaric EVEN FOR THE MUSLIM INVADERS but not the in-laws of the lady burnt. Muslim invaders, who come with a culture of marrying the wives of the defeated, could never understand why the Hindus did that to their own women.

Even during Moghul/Muslim rule this was practiced which is against the Islamic Laws. Does this show the "spiritual" Hindu's self-rule ?

The system was in practice until the Christian Governor General Of India, Sir Warren Hastings banned the practice. And when he did it, he was faced with bitter opposition, to a scale you can never imagine or understand today. All by Brahmins.

Pizzalot is right, although perhaps the example of the Sati maynot quite be the best one.

However, ostracism and a sort of excommunication by the community was practiced quite often to anyone who violated or transgressed the rules.

Has anyone seen the movie Samskar by Girish Karnad? It was a representation of the true state of society till very recently, when a corpse is left untouched because the dead man had lost his caste and no one was to perform the funeral rites to the body. I think the book was written by UR Ananthamurthy and was adapted to the screen by Karnad. Powerful piece, which tells us of the foolish extremes to which "Hindus" were willing to go to excommunicate a neighbour!

Pizzalot just one question to u
what r u really trying to tell us here?

This, I think, if I may answer for Pizzalot

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

I want everyone you, me, Mala (that is what your name is bis_mala ?), Surya, Eelavar and everyone in this world to question, doubt, not-to-agree etc etc about what you hear, what you read and even what you believe in every step of life.

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Or to put it in the immortal words of Thiruvalluvar,

Epporul yaar yaar vai kaetpinum
Apporul Meiporul kaanbadharivu

WELL if thats what he wanted us to do.............. :roll: ok!
but why did he put all those negative stuffs about Hinduism and dogmas and intolerant religion etc etc?
what was he trying to tell / teach us?
i know there is good and bad in our religion, but i wont agree what pizzalot saying...........

Well, I guess he'd be the best person to answer you crazy, but methinks he adopted that method of waking people up by a few really shocking truths.

By his own confession, he is a Hindu, and what he is opposed to is not the religion but only fanaticism.

Perhaps when he comes back again, he might be able to tell whether I am right or wrong in my evaluation of him and his methods.

But personally, I feel the sad state of our religion - any religion, for that matter - is only because of fanatics who refuse to use their brains to understand truths and instead propagate selfish beliefs without rationale.

In that sense, I find myself supporting pizzalot's views, and it has nothing to do with my liking pizzas! :)

Badri :lol:

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

No, again. There WAS official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practiced in the Hindu society. What law do you think the Kings followed in the courts ? It was strict Manu-Smirti.

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I didn't know that. My understanding till date was that, when the English came and saw that there was no book of rules to be followed, they started digging out for some old rule books which might be acceptable to Indian society in general. Several people were commissioned for this task and lots of books were analyzed before settling for Manu-Smriti. Please correct me if i am wrong here.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

"Sati" is just ONE such example. It looked barbaric EVEN FOR THE MUSLIM INVADERS but not the in-laws of the lady burnt. Muslim invaders, who come with a culture of marrying the wives of the defeated, could never understand why the Hindus did that to their own women.

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Well practicing Sati may be equated to Hinduism but, the reverse is not true. To my knowledge Sati was not common in Southern India. It is a cultural thing rather than religious. There are lots of cultural aspects which get tagged as religious.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

Even during Moghul/Muslim rule this was practiced which is against the Islamic Laws. Does this show the "spiritual" Hindu's self-rule ?

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There is a fine line between rule and custom followed by society. This was custom (an evil one) not rule. Again do correct me if i am wrong. Is it coded in Manu Smirti abt Sati? I haven't read the book, just some translations mostly related to the caste system.
Its easier to change rules rather than customs. No wonder there is a lot of opposition to changes in customs, society follows.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

You can see a glass half-full or half-empty. I choose the second choice because I wish it was "full". Many are complacent with the way it is half-full. If Vivekananda did not ask so much questions to his Guru (and may I presume your Guru too looking at your avatar ?) the West would never have known anything about Hinduism. I also feel just one Vivekananda is not enough for 100 years. I want everyone you, me, Mala (that is what your name is bis_mala ?), Surya, Eelavar and everyone in this world to question, doubt, not-to-agree etc etc about what you hear, what you read and even what you believe in every step of life. He did not exempt even himself. He understood and explained Hinduism with his knowledge of science and logic. Now science has grown so much and we need to start thinking and evaluating our religion based on it.

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The current Faces of the todays hindu religion is not The original face of The hindu (The Sanatan Dharma) Religion. There are various impurites, opinions, propagandas, & deviations is found now a days in the devotees & in ancient holy books (or in the whole hindu religion).
So i not wonder about your critics on todays hindu religion,
its common if we think scientifically & logically.
I belive that In order to keep good things always good and to be them more good , criticism is must.

sant tulsidas says "many people wants to follow religion right from there, where their sefishness satisfies."
Thats why Many pandits (not all) had modified the original veda-purans according to fulfill there social needs. But there are still good literature mainly written by sant kabir, Tulsidas, swami vivekanad, Ram-Krisna Paramhansa, Gurunanak deva, and more,by reading them my brain elightened.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

Just remember what is true today can be proved false tomorrow.
What was written or said 1000 years before WILL NOT BE VALID FOR TODAY. "Change" is the only "permanence" in this Universe. Only a small portion of it will be true, if ever.
After something changes it is no more the same thing.

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

following is an example:

If telling a lie is a sin, then it means it is always a sin in all the regions & in all the time ( past, present, future) of the universe.

To Be Contd.

dear pizza
i am very glad, and impressed by your scientific attitude & logical ability. please can u tell me what u have plan to reform The hindu Religion.

cheers

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

appreciate your arguments Mala. Surely you must be a good attorney.

But there IS the Hindu Law which is applicable only to Hindus.

I do not blame you , for you might have surely read it as a part of your curriculum if you were in India.

Irnoically, it was the British who enacted the Hindu Laws and they were strictly based on our scriptures. They had to scrap it out because it did not "fit" the Hindus.

The Hindu Laws were replaced by the Anglo Hindu Law upon which the current Hindu Law is based. This is for your reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_law

And yes, every Hindu in India has to abide by that law.//

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Mr Pizzalot, you need not emphasize that there IS a Hindu Law when I have already said in my post that it is a law subject but optional for students ( in the U where I graduated). I told you I did not take this optional subject, if you read my post carefully. I do not know about universities in India with regard to the curriculum (whether it is compulsory or optional). You asked how much of the Hindu materials such as puranaas etc went into the law; I have referred you to the library or law book shops and I also informed that I am unable to undertake any research for you in that area. You may refer to any material with which you are pleased such as Wikepedia or whatever. I have no comments. Wikepedia is not my reference in my area of work. If you have unearthed anything from authoritative materials acceptable and accepted in Courts of Law in India, I will be interested to hear. Thanks anyway.

Piaalot, THE CONCEPT OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION embodies the facility to any baktha to worship any God or Goddess, regardless of how many times any such God or Goddess may have married. Secondly, if you are of legal background, you know that marriages of gods and goddesses are not justiciable issues which can be brought before the Courts of Law, so there is no use talking about their marriage vis-avis the Law, whatever law that is!! If you do not believe me, just bring a public interest action is your Courts in India and see the result yourself.

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

Law is made for human beings to comply. Laws made by humans are not applicable to Gods and Goddesses!! How can any human make laws for Gods and Goddesses?

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It is central to both Vaishnavites and Shaivites that God took their avatars in Human form only to show the way to live for the man kind.

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Then get married like the gods and see for yourself if the laws of India relating to marriage override or are subject to the principle you have cited!! Then you can find out how the laws are applied and the various doctrines and adjective laws which enable the Courts to decide in the manner in which they will decide in your case with your peculiar defence!!

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Nope. Hindu Laws or its ante-cedant Vedic Laws were applicable to Humans and were practiced devotedly. According to Manu-smirti, no case can be registered on men even if they killed his wife, animals or sudras as long as he was the owner of these beings.

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You have an Indian Criminal Appellate Court decision to support your contention that manusmiruthi overrides the penal laws relating to homicide? If you can quote, I will be VERY PLEASED to hear. If you have Privy Council or even Pakistani, Burmese, Ceylonese Appellate decisions in this respect, you are also welcome to quote. Otherwise you may consider dropping this part of your argument.

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I do not think it is my fault. I think it is my strength to have the ability to think that everyone be it the King, God or Shankaracharya to be subjected by the same law especially when it is said to be given by God himself. If it is wrong, I will, to my strength, however weak l might be, will attempt to bring the offender to the Law for punishment.

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The general legal doctine is that everyone is equal before the law but in various countries there are exceptions and procedures. India may have their own law. You take advice from an Indian advocate and solicitor. If I were to go and register myself in India for a practising certificate or licence and I were given a case relating a god or God, I will decide not to proceed with the case. The Bench will not be able to deal with Gods!!
Kings - I understand, abolished in India. If so, you may be able to bring a case against a former King if you have sufficient evidence.
Shankaracharia has no immunity whatsoever? Then you may proceed. But if anyone has committed an offence and you know it, do you know what your powers are as a citizen? You may report. The Police and then the Advocate -General (or Attorney-General) will decide whether to proceed or not. Purchase a copy of the Indian Criminal Procedure Code and read it. Ratanlal has commentaries. Please do not come out more confused after that. I finished my LLB & LLM within 5 years. I know that you have legal errors in your argument. Difficult to explain without going into details.

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I will not be at fault to even expect that if God was a gentleman, he himself will surrender. Like Krishna does in Mahabharatha, for every offense (offense according to Manu-Smirti) that he commits. In Shivitism, a poet calls Shiva a bluff even after knowing it is Shiva himself. Now tell me if the Gods fall within the Law or not ?

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Gods, ghosts, dracula, ginnies, fairies, angels, devils, all other creatures besides humans cannot be prosecuted. Drink some milk and have a good sleep puzzlelot!!

Why don't you go back to the story of Buddhists who sold /killed the Hindus and then later became Hindus themselves! Did it not prove the strength of the Hindu religion? If Hinduism is so bad as you make it out to be, why are the Dalits still remaining within the Hindu fold? One or two thngs here may be bad, but most things are "workable" at least?

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

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Great great :wink:

As we, Hindus, know that universe is infinitely created and destructed what was said and rediscovered by yogi masters through transcendal meditations will remain always true and right ETERNALLY...Otherwise it would mean that Knowledge always change what is for me just nonsense...

True Knowledge is not movable... It is for me as logic as mathematics...

What is Truth will remain Truth for EVER ! (Like True Science will remain true for ever, but if a science is not true, it could change over the age)

God is always God... He do not change...In fact True Knowledge is a part of God so it can not change.. :wink:

Pizzalot,
Hope you will understand that, otherwise i'm sorry but you will not understand the esoteric mystery part of Hinduism.. :wink:

You are a very strange Hindu.. Who critize Hinduism severely but pretend to be a Hindu..

You talked about Ram as if it was a stupid idea to trust to the part of mystery and symbolism found in Ramanaya..

If you were a hindu i do not think you will have mocked... Or maybe you haven't understand the message behind this myth..

Pizzalot it is good to be critics, very good, but paranoia must not take the over.. A hindu believe to his Guru who himself was enlighted by another Guru or a Yogi...
Holy saint never lies. Thiru-Kural will remain Thiru for ever.. Otherwise there is no need to trust it..

Pizzalot went from Discussing the Hindu Genocide, to Talking about the Loyalty of Nazies to Iran, to Putting Hinduism in Bad Light....:? :?

Thalai-ye suthi mookai thodara maathiri, suthi suthi, kadaiseela vanthutaaru avaroda point-u-kku which exposed him. :lol2:

Anywayz,

Back to the Topic....

Anyone have any info on the BOMB BLAST on THE MATHURA EXPRESS in LUCKNOW yesterday? :x

Surya,

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Pizzalot went from Discussing the Hindu Genocide, to Talking about the Loyalty of Nazies to Iran, to Putting Hinduism in Bad Light....

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You got the point my friend. :wink:
I cannot believe what he pretends to be.. :? :roll:

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

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Great great :wink:

As we, Hindus, know that universe is infinitely created and destructed what was said and rediscovered by yogi masters through transcendal meditations will remain always true and right ETERNALLY...Otherwise it would mean that Knowledge always change what is for me just nonsense...

True Knowledge is not movable... It is for me as logic as mathematics...

What is Truth will remain Truth for EVER ! (Like True Science will remain true for ever, but if a science is not true, it could change over the age)

God is always God... He do not change...In fact True Knowledge is a part of God so it can not change.. :wink:

Pizzalot,
Hope you will understand that, otherwise i'm sorry but you will not understand the esoteric mystery part of Hinduism.. :wink:

You are a very strange Hindu.. Who critize Hinduism severely but pretend to be a Hindu..

You talked about Ram as if it was a stupid idea to trust to the part of mystery and symbolism found in Ramanaya..

If you were a hindu i do not think you will have mocked... Or maybe you haven't understand the message behind this myth..

Pizzalot it is good to be critics, very good, but paranoia must not take the over.. A hindu believe to his Guru who himself was enlighted by another Guru or a Yogi...
Holy saint never lies. Thiru-Kural will remain Thiru for ever.. Otherwise there is no need to trust it..

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Please go ahead on the discussion of the Genocide Of The Hindus based on The Truth.

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Please go ahead on the discussion of the Genocide Of The Hindus based on The Truth.

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Thanks !!

So ??? Where should we start ? Since everyone is silent let me pick .. Genocide of Krishna's family itself by Gandhari's curse or the Genocide of Kalinga people by the Mau-Aryas ?

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So ??? Where should we start ? Since everyone is silent let me pick .. Genocide of Krishna's family itself by Gandhari's curse or the Genocide of Kalinga people by the Mau-Aryas ?

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Anyone have any info on the BOMB BLAST on THE MATHURA EXPRESS in LUCKNOW yesterday? :x

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I had no idea abt this! Man tats awful! Wat/who was behind this??

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Anyone have any info on the BOMB BLAST on THE MATHURA EXPRESS in LUCKNOW yesterday? :x

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I had no idea abt this! Man tats awful! Wat/who was behind this??

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I think it is the BJP who is behind this. Whoelse it could be ?

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Anyone have any info on the BOMB BLAST on THE MATHURA EXPRESS in LUCKNOW yesterday? :x

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I had no idea abt this! Man tats awful! Wat/who was behind this??

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I think it is the BJP who is behind this. Whoelse it could be ?

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Ivaroda Karpanaikkum Comedykkum oru Aleve Illame Pochu Pa!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What's next?

Reg 9/11/2001:

Pizzalot: I think it's BJP behind this...Who else could it be? :roll:

Reg Hiroshima & Nagasaki:

Pizzalot: BJP, Who else? :roll:

Reg The Trojan War:

Pizzalot: If you dig deep enough, you'll find hindus behind it! Who else could it be? :roll:

Pizzalot's Default Motive: Accuse Hindus For Everything That Is Negative In The World....

He Has Already Claimed Some Connection Between Hitler, Holocoust Iranians, and Hindus...so that other things don't seem farfetched. :oops: :lol:

Anywayz,
Lamby machi, to ur query: :)

Bomb Blast In Mathura Express, in Lucknow:

http://ww1.mid-day.com/news/nation/2006/june/139763.htm

Lets forget about the genocides for a while.

Surya , krishnan vararo illayo , BJP varathu nichayama TN la.

The fascist forces represented by the BJP,RSS,BAJRANG DAL,VHP will never gain a foothold in TN.

The Sangh parivar will never be a force to reckon with.

Vanthutaaru pa Karuthu Kanaayiram. :roll:

Why forget Hindu Genocide? That's the title of the thread. :? :huh:

BJP & CO TN-l varatha...Uhm...ok..:? :lol2: If that makes you feel better..why not? :D :thumbsup:

Anywayz,
Enough Digressions. 8-)

I strongly advise everyone contributing to this thread to buy a copy of Arundhati Roy's Algebra of Infinite Justice. Its one of my prized possessions. Even after reading that book if someone continues to support Sangh Parivar than I really feel sorry for that person.


And this I think is a very relevant post.

Surya, is it so difficult to debate without resorting to personal attacks? The investigations into the blast are continuing and the investigators haven't arrived at any conclusion. Why speculate so early? pizzalot, the same applies to you. Are you privy to information that is not yet in public domain?

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Seeing the current trend this thread is taking, I went back to review the thread right from the beginning, to see whether there is any need for this thread to continue at all or not.

I found the initial posts by Eelavar and srivatsan quite saddening.

While feeling proud of being "Hindus", they are seeking a recognition of the massacre/genocide of Hindus down the line, comparing it with the international recognition enjoyed by other such genocides in history.

In doing so, both Srivatsan and Eelavar have forgotten some of the basic tenets of the very same "Hinduism" of which they are so proud.

There is a reason why these so called genocides have never held much importance in the Hindu psyche. That is because the religion (Sanathana Dharma, to be precise) always taught tolerance and forgiveness. Sanathana Dharma never taught its adherents to hold grudges. It did not teach them to forever hold on to bitter memories of the past. Rather, it exhorted them to dismiss everything as being unreal and not worth wasting time and energy over, and instead focus on betterment, unity and harmony, both in personal lives as well as in the community and nation.

When this is the true message of Hinduism (I still feel comfortable calling it Sanathana Dharma, but for the sake of this thread, will refer to the religion as Hinduism) it is ironical that Srivatsan and Ealavar have chosen to forget that basic tenet and belabour the Hindu genocide!

This is irony at its height.

As a Hubber, I strongly feel this thread is a waste of time and resources.

As a Moderator, I request Ealavar and others to think about what I have written and then honestly tell me if they still feel this thread is needed.