Ya.. I also want to know the effect of MARS in 12th house from the ASC as well as from the MOONQuote:
Originally Posted by tfmlover
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Ya.. I also want to know the effect of MARS in 12th house from the ASC as well as from the MOONQuote:
Originally Posted by tfmlover
tfmlover/Selvakumar,
Guru in 8th will never give long life unless it is weak and other indications of Lagna lord being strong are there.
Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship with wife. Men with 12th Mars are generally Hyper sexual. Mama will have a troubled married life.
Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and they speak harshly. Father's brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome.
Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In absence of proper birth time/ weak lagna , see these attributes from Moon.
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Why Hindus BLESS Males & Females DIFFERENTLY?
Beautiful analysis. Thanks Mr Nichiro...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
My request to all my friends... Let us not jump here and there... without completing any one point taken up.
Now the points under consideration... CONTINUING and Incomplete are...
...TWO... One by HOUSE ..another by PLANET.
(1) The effect of EIGHTH BHAVA (House) .
(2) The effect of GURU in different Bhavas.
Let us complete these.... then take any other next point... as you all may choose.
Continuing on the EIGHTH HOUSE...
This Bhava is also concerned with ACCIDENTS, and MANGALYA-BHAVA for Women.... as also LUCK.
Why in India... the Elders Bless the Youngsters DIFFERENTLY?.. saying ...
... DHEERGA- AYUSHMAN BHAVA... (Wish You Long Life) in case of Males...and
....DHEERGA SUMANGALI BHAVA...(Wish you Long Married Life) in case of Women.!!
The intention is to NULLIFY THE (Probable) BAD EFFECTS...of the Eighth Bhava...
... so to mean...Free of HURDLES...DIFFICULTIES... ACCIDENTS... WIDOW- HOOD
..indirectly WISHING both.. THE BEST OF LUCK and PROSPERITY.!!!
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Respected Sudhaama ji,
Guru in any bhava destroys the bhava (to a grater/lesser extent as per its shadbala strength)
It is Guru's aspect which is beneficial and not occupancy.
So as a thumb rule, I usually check the bhavas aspected by Guru .
Exactly opposite is Sani Bhagwan.
Sani increases the Bhava he occupies and destroys the bhava he aspects with 3rd, 7th and 10th Dristi.
Your point about Deergha Sumangali Bhava ashirwadam is wonderful. By blessing a lady people increase her Mangalya sukham and give longer life to husband (a sort of pariharam?)
Nichiro
Yes. Yes... You are Radically correct on the Opposite qualities of Guru..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
By ASPECTS...Guru enhances the values of the House ... while the Sani weakens.
By OCCUPANY...Guru weakens... while Sani Enhances.
I remember to have read a Varaha-mihira Sloka on such a Thumb-rule.
But such a Thumb-rule works opposite by END-RESULT...
...while the respective Houses are the Neecha(Debilitate) ones for the concerned planet.
So to mean..if the Placement of Guru is at its Neecha-House Makara from Lagna (Mithuna) .. or...
... if the Sani is placed at Kumbha / Kanya / Rishaba... when one of them is the 8th house... aspecting its Neecha-House Mesha...
(1) Faces series of Hurdles, Difficulties, Sufferings including the worst poverty, losses but ultimately miraculously gets retrieved towards Success....
...and / or...
(2) Escapes several serious accidents and finally succumbs to a minor accident.
...and / or..
(3) Lives long-life... with sufferings and disappointments... but ultimately leads Glorious days during his last part of life.
One more important factor... in case of both Good and Bad due to such an effect....
Guru renders the Good first followed by the Bad effects...
Sani renders the Bad first and then the Good... as due.
But such predictions are pertaining to such a SINGLE FACTOR of 8th House.
Depending upon other factors of the horoscope, influenced by other planets...
...the degree and intensity may vary as also be reduced or nullified.
...But in case of any Lucky person, we can note the BENEFICIAL EIGHTH House.
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Thanks for the information..Quote:
Originally Posted by tfmlover
Thanks to Sudhamma sir for making the discussions sharp and sweet and to the point !
BTW, I think 8th House GURU should be analysed from different angle .. I mean based on LAGNA as well. I think we can discuss on that from here onwards.
Let's take ARIES ASC ... For a person with that, GURU is lord for 9th and 12th houses..
If he is in 8th house, doesn't that mean weird.. coz He will lose the BAAGYA he will genearlly get from the 9th house. IMO, Luck and other things come mainly from 9TH HOUSE.. Right ??
So, 8TH HOUSE GURU cannot be attributed to luck ! I mean stocks etc :roll:
hi selvakumar 8th house jupiter easy come ! unearned
9th house mainly indicates earning ! higher learning .
those with intellectual curiosity,independent attitudes and quickness of mind ( not depending on others )
travel over long distances travel , searching meaning for life thru philosophy, religion . good sense of humour . travelling to foreign land jobs .
Thanks for the info.. My doubt is : for some ASC, GURU brings lot of sufferings.. e.g., ASC - TAURUS.., GEMINI, and most importantly LIBRA..Quote:
Originally Posted by tfmlover
IN that case, if JUPITER IS IN 8TH HOUSE, I THINK HE WON'T BRING ANYTHING just like that :confused: Right??
So, I think it depends on both ASC and the KARAKATHUVA.. (like how SUDHAMMA put)
and HOW MUCH "MAANGALYA POWER" will be affected if GURU is in 8th house? (Generally)
Selvakumar,
For Tula lagnam, Guru becomes rank maraka and for Mithuna Lagnam, Guru becomes Badhakadhipathi. Hence His situation in Lagnam is detrimental to a person's well being and overall health, wealth and happiness.
In Meena Lagnam, Guru's situation in Lagnam has been found to be not bad. But I cannot say the same for Dhanus lagnam.
Speaking of karakathwa, situation of a karaka in his own karakathwa sign brings destruction/problems etc . Example is Sukra in 7th, etc.
Nichiro
Exactly ! This what they refer as "KAARAKOE BHAVANAASTI" Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
I have heard the same for GURU in 5th house.(children)
BTW, Let us analyse more on 8th HOUSE. We can start by analysing what will be the impact if the other planets are in the 8th house.
Let's start with the sun.
The effects of SUN in 8th house. I have heard that people with this combination will face marital problems, RAJATHANDANAI etc It also forms "SANYAASA YOGA"
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we can continue to discuss on eighth house completely before moving to others
Dear Selvakumar,
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However much I wish, I cannot participate in such lengthy discussions of each planet occupying each bhava and its effects. This is due to a very limited time available to me here in US and also prior astrological commitments which I attend to.
I would love to diuscuss very interesting problems/diseases etc.
Nichiro
Well... Dear Mr. Nichiro, Your convenience is the most important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
So I request you to LEAD THIS THREAD in the way you would prefer...
... making it more INTERESTING TO ALL the Viewers. ..WELCOME..!!!
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Friends,
Marraige is the most important of SHODASHA SAMSKARAS .
Very often we see girls/boys well past marriagable age having worried parents asking ,
"when will my daughter/son get married?"
I would in such a case, look for 12th house affliction, 7th house affliction first and their respective lords then on.
SUKRA/GURU IN 7TH ARE BAD. MARS / GURU IN 7TH BAD FOR WOMEN ETC.
WHY NOT POST BIRTH DATA OF SUCH DELAYED CASES AND DISCUSS THE SAME HERE?
Nichiro
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NIchiro.. Thanks for the suggestion. I think this will be more helpful for others too ! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
BTW, I am not sure about the BIRTH DATA. But I know one person who has not yet got married. Here are the details
Lagna : Libra
Planetary positions:
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Mars, Raghu and Venus - 1st house (Lagna)
Ketu - 7th house
Saturn - 10th house (in cancer)
Guru - 8th house (Taurus)
Moon - 6th House (Meena)
Mercury - 12th house ( Exalted and Lord) in Kanya Rasi
Sun - 12th house
I am not sure about NAVAMSHA.. Nichiro, Is this fine ? I think this is more than enough for general understanding of the same :)
Hello SSelvakumar,
If I am to discuss a chart, I need complete birth data . I work using my research software and it is easy for me to discuss without usingf a hard copy.
Nichiro
Sorry Nichiro.. I don't have the exact DOB and other details. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
BTW, If you know any such case, then you can post the same here and you can provide us lot of information onthe same ! :D
From the available data, we understand the Lagna as THULA.Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
The Time of Birth, Date and Place are the important Basic-data.. to cast a Horoscope. At least we must know the Birhstar if not the Time.
However we can work on the reverse and cast the whole Horoscope ... even without ay Birth-data...
...if and when the person has reached about 15 yrs age... with adequate events and family-background as the Basic-data..
... such as Father, Mother, Brothers Sisters... and Events of the person's past life.
Can Mr. Selvakumar... put forth such data in detail... for the above- quoted person?
One of my several Typical Experiences...
One Boy's Horoscope was differing by the two Systems of Dhruk- Ganitha and Vaakya.!
Which One to be considered for Marriage-tally?.. because the Kalhathra-sthana Adhipathi... was different in those Horoscopes!.
Then my Astrologer called for the detailed Family-background and the past events ...
...and finally arrived at one particular Horoscope only.. out of the Two
as Correct...
..since that only TALLIES fully...with the Past events as well as the Propensities of the person... apart from the comparative 6th and 7th Bhavas... which were different as per those Horoscopes.
Same strategy can be applied here.
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From the available data, we understand the Lagna as THULA.Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
The Time of Birth, Date and Place are the important Basic-data.. to cast a Horoscope. At least we must know the Birthstar if not the Time.
However we can work on the reverse and cast the whole Horoscope ... even without any Birth-data...
...if and when the person has reached about 15 yrs age... with adequate events and family-background as the Basic-data..
... such as Father, Mother, Brothers Sisters... and Events of the person's past life.
Can Mr. Selvakumar... put forth such data in detail... for the above- quoted person?
One of my several Typical Experiences...
One Boy's Horoscope was differing by the two Systems of Dhruk- Ganitha and Vaakya.!
Which One to be considered for Marriage-tally?.. because Budha was Neecha at 7th... the Kalhathra-Sthanam ...
...while He was at the 6th House in another Horoscope!.
Then my Astrologer called for the detailed Family-background and the past events ...
...and finally arrived at one particular Horoscope only.. out of the Two
as Correct...
..since that only TALLIES fully...with the Past events as well as the Propensities of the person... apart from the comparative 6th and 7th Bhavas... which were different as per those Horoscopes.
Same strategy can be applied here.
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The following are the scientifically established data on planetary motions and their orbital periods.
Planet/Orbital Period (Earth Years)
Mercury/0.24
Venus/0.62
Earth/1
Mars/1.88
Jupiter/11.88
Saturn/29.46
Uranus/84.01
Neptune/164.79
Pluto/247.91
Which creates the following three odd situations.
1) It will take millions and millions of years before any six or above number of planets can occupy the same orbital positions with respect to each other. One of them would be, all planets aligned on a single projected line.
2) There are 4.35456 million possible combinations of the planetary positions within any 30 degrees sector of the Earth's orbit.
The above two prove that it is next to impossible for one to predict anything based on planetary positions, in one's own life time.
3) The effects of planetary positions and the consequences of the sum total of all karmic deeds are at odds against each other.
From the above three, it clearly follows that:
a) The theory of karma is false
b) Any predictions of one's life based on astrological data are absolutely humbug
c) The theory of karma and astrological predictions contradict each other, completely nullifying the effects of each other.
d) Lots of contradicting fiddle factors are employed to rescue each of them
:) :thumbsup:
Rohit,
Thanks for the information. I will not contest your understanding.
Now I f you would allow us , we would like to proceed ahead with our Humbug.
Nichiro
Sorry Sudhamma sir, I don't know much about that horoscope.
I do agree with the difference that one can observe between VAAKYA and the other method.
Unfortunately I don't have any information on that !
For further discussions, I am not sure how to proceed. Let us have a plan on the same as per Nichiro. Nichiro can give lot of information based on his experience with relevant examples. I guess :?
If not, We can anlalyse the horoscopes of famous people. We can analyse the same based on information that we know !
Well-said Mr. Nichiro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
When there are Atheists too in the contemporary world... who dispute even on the existence of God...
...despite the Great Scientist Dr Aienstene was a Staunch believer of existence of the Suprelative -Might.. so called God...
...there is NO WONDER... there also exists the Non-believers of anything and everything even if it be Scientific....
...and their belief is that the ASTROLOGY IS A HUMBUG...!!!. Well let them infer whatever they feel like.
We are NOT INTERESTED TO DISPUTE NOR ARGUE... and Waste our time anymore... in that Mono-logical direction...
...with such people... the Non-believers of this Great God- given Occult- Science ...
... nor on that Rudimentary-factor...which has already been dealt at length, in the initial stage of this thread itself.
Dear Nichiro and other friends, please don't get discouraged on such diversions and DRY DISPUTES.
Please proceed ahead...from where we have left the Thread.
Lord RAMA'S HOROSCOPE..!!!...???
Lord Rama's Horoscope is herebelow. ..which corroborates with His Life events as per Ramayana...
...including His Married Life....PITIABLE...because of the placement of Guru in Lagna...
...Kalhathra-karaka Sani with Kethu,
...who also is aspected by Guru's 5th view...
And the Most important Phenomena!...
If a Ucha-Graha aspects another Ucha-Graha... both the Gruha-Bhavas are DEFEATED towards the Opposite and Negative effect...
...Kalhathra and Lagna... has thus been WEAKENED.... making His Married Life...MISERABLE..
....even though IMPECCABLE HUSBAND & WIFE of EMULATIVE VALUES!
... and further?
http://www.indianodysseys.com/gis/gis_bastro6.asp
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Here are the general things that can be observed from the horo:
1) MARS is exalted and is exactly in the 7th House. Also, in the Navamsha too.. Which forms "VARGOTTAM" (Not sure abt spelling) If a planet is depleted in the RASI, but forms a VARGOTTAM, then it attains the power of EXALTATION.. That is the power of VARGOTTAM.
VARGOTTAM
If a planet occupies the same position in both RASI and NAVAMSHA, then it forms VARGOTTAM.. Here it attains the power of EXALTATION state.
- Here MARS is both exalted and forms VARGOTTAM
- GURU is also in exalted state and forms VARGOTTAM
- MOON too.. One more thing is MOON is in its own house. (cancer) and forms VARGOTTAM
- ASC too... People with this combination tend to be more honest, idle and they are prone for their domination and leading a disciplined life by sticking to their own principles. NO wonder he is known for the title "AEGA PATHNI VIRATHAN"
Sudhamma sir,
- One more thing here is : The 7th house is aspected by both KETU AND SANI.. As we discussed, SANI destroys the houses that he aspect. Plus SATURN aspects MARS here. KETU too (3rd).
-GURU (6th house lord which is prone for enemies, sufferings aspects the 7th house)
-KALATHRA KARKA VENUS is in ARIES.. which is not good.. This one brings problems in marriage life, sufferings and others. Importantly losing self-esteem and respect coz of females.
P.S: Again, KALATHRA KARKA VENUS is in its own house in NAVAMSHA and with SATURN (7th house lord). It should be noted here that SATURN is in exalted state in NAVAMSHA
One more confusion:
Sometime back, I saw RAMA's horo.. there I saw SATURN in 6th house in RAASI :confused2:
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SANI in 5th or 6th... in RAMA's Horoscope?
// Sudhamma sir, //
Dear Mr. Selvakumar... Neither I am AMMA ...Nor "Sudhamma"... Nor SUDHA...
...But only "SUDHAAMA" here... another name of KUCHELA.
// The 7th house is aspected by both KETU AND SANI.. As we discussed, SANI destroys the houses that he aspect. Plus SATURN aspects MARS here. KETU too (3rd).//
Yes...You are Correct...by taking Sani's placement as at the 5th House... Poorva PUNHYA Sthanam plus PUHTHRA Sthanam.
// One more confusion: Sometime back, I saw RAMA's horo.. there I saw SATURN in 6th house in RAASI //
If it were at the 6th... let us imagine how and far different it would have been.! Can it tally with the Realities?
Sixth is the SATHRU-Sthanam, also concerned with ROGA,(Diseases), RUNA(Debts)
If Sani were there...Rama's Life would have been totally different. How?
3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th are Bad Houses. Even good planets placed there. become weak or even negative depending on other related factors. And the Bad-planets if placed become worse.
The Owner-planets of these houses if placed in such houses other than their own...
...they gain the Opposite-power and thus become Good... a VAKRA-YPGA (Kettavan kettidil kittidum Raja-yogam)
So to say.... (-) x (-) = (+). Thus Sani there at "Dhanus" would have changed the whole Ramayana.
Besides 1st, 5th and 9th are THRI-KONA Sthanas... So to say LAKSHMI-STHANAS. Only because the Kalhathra-karaka Sani is placed at the 5th (Thrikona-Sthana) Rama could have an UNPARALLELLY IMMACULATE and Loyal Wife... exemplary to the Eternal Society. If he were at the 6th? ... He would have got a Nagging wife, with constant misunderstanding and Non-co-operation
Because Sani owns the 7th the Kalhathra Sthanam alongside the 8th the House... concerned with Difficulties, Accidents, Obstacles, SHAME and Separation... Lord Rama suffered much because of His wife...
...leading to separation for a part of the period not only when he was in forest but also after He got enthroned
...finally got separation... by the wife leaving Him of Her own accord.
The 8th bhava "Shame" at the 5th... made Rama to face UNDUE-SHAMEFUL outcome...
(1) Kaikeyi His Foster-mother herself... sent Him to forest... an Undue- Shame.
(2) On the same day fixed for Coronation... turned into a matter of Shame... by making Him not only lose the Throne, but also lose His mundane pleasures too... the diametrically opposite outcome... of SHAMEFUL FATE.
(3) By deceipt he lost His wife to a Robberer... causing Him an undue SHAME.
(4) Samudra-Raja ignored His prayer... an Insult and matter of Undue SHAME.
Besides one of the Karakathvam for Sani being... that He is the DESTINY-MAKER. for any Person.
So it is the Destiny (Pre-planned Life-Schedule) which got linked with His 5th, Punhya-Sthanam of Mars, the Warrior-planet...
...as also by Sani's aspecting Mars at Sani's own house which led Him to Wars and Battles all through His life...
...which ULTIMATELY BROUGHT HIM GLORY... due to interlink with Yoga- sthanam 5th.
If Sani were at the 6th all these would have been negated due to the Contrary bhavas of 7th and 8th...
....interlinked with the Negative House 6th... instead of the Positive 5th.
Further, Sani being the maker of Male-children... placed at Puthra-sthanam, 5th...
...Rama got Lava-Kusa as the Glorious Twin-Sons.
And because of Sani with one of the Bhavas of 8th as... SEPARATION .. linked with Puthra-Sthanam too!...
... Rama lived in separation from His Childen also.
Thus in this case, it is asserted.. "SANI AT THE 5TH HOUSE".. only can be Correct.
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ok btw my DOB: 12/08/1993
my first number is : 3
my second number is : 6
do 3's ( me at the mo) get along with number 5's?????
5 is the first number in tht case
Dear Friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tia
Your Question totally is related with NUMEROLGY... and Astrology has no concern.
For NUMEROLOGY, there exists a Separate Thread...exclusively.
Quoted herebelow:---
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...9b9cccc8c810f5
Will you please raise this question there?... and Delete this posting here?
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Dr. Aienstene (?) maybe a staunch believer, but he neither believed in astrology nor he believed in the theory of karma. What Dr. Aienstene believed was, Jesus Christ was/is a Son of Christian God - Jehovah, the Almighty, who created everything that exists. Unfortunately, the above quoted ill thought, mono-illogical and heedless reference to Dr. Aienstene (?) itself now turns against the believers who believe in astrology and the theory of karma. :) :thumbsup:Quote:
...despite the Great Scientist Dr Aienstene was a Staunch believer of existence of the Suprelative -Might.. so called God...
Now the most enigmatic question of all time for the believers of astrology and karma should be:
What were the horoscopes, karma or the combination of both, of India and hundreds of millions of Indians who suffered waves after waves of foreign invasions, slavery and dismal destitution for 1000s of years?
Rohit,
I request you to open another thread about "NON-BELIEVERS IN ASTROLOGY" and post your views there.
This thread is for and about believers in astrology. At least I would prefer not to be distracted when I am discussing serious issues in Astrology.
Hope you would understand.
Nichiro
Friends,
Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at Karakatwa of planets.I did some startling work on Rahu and my quest for Karaktwa is continuing.
I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.
So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, I am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.
I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.
"It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc. once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole hill is converted into a mountain.
Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats, crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste,of low character , menials, diseased etc.
This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by astrologers of yore.
Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves, labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.
So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury and Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round holes.
Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet, Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas became one .
Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature, pious,intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that, portfolios of 2nd houseand 5th house were also given to him. But Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or suffered financially.He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.
How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?How can the Putra Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava?
They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.
It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!
How paradoxical !!!!
So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain.
BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,
BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:
Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases the bhava he occupies.
I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the reflection of Moon."
And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he sits.
According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in form of aspectual fruits.
In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.
JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP
Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).
Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.
You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are yellow.
Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!
Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.
And this is the handywork of Planet known as JEEVA.
I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.
EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.
Male
DOB: 28.9.1954
TOB: 18.30 Hrs
POB: Madras
Asc: Pisces
Ketu: Gemini
Jupiter: Cancer
Moon,Sun: Virgo
Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra
Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius
Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.
He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light funeral pyre.
This person is childless even after two marriages.
CASE # II
Male
DOB: 6TH July 1935
Tob : 5.34 AM
POB: Teng-t'a
101 E 12
36 N 32
Gemini: Asc
Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu
Leo: Moon/venus
Virgo : Mars
Libra : Jupiter
Saggi: Rahu
Aquarius: Saturn
This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no children due to religious abstinence.
This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.
CASE # III
GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA
MALE
Born ...10th Nov 1955
Janma Lagna Kataka
Vrishabha...........ketu
Simha ..............Guru
Kanya...............Moon, Mars
Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun
Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra
VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,
Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).
This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.
RESULT:
The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after by father inlaw.
GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.
Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a person.
I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.
CASE #1
Male:
DOB: 27.3.1972
TOB: 9.07 AM
POB: Udaipur Rajasthan
Taurus: Asc
Taurus: Mars/Sat
Cancer: Ketu
Leo: Moon
Saggi: Jupiter
Capri: Rahu
Pisces: Sun/Merc
Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic road accident in year 2001.
CASE # 2
Male
DOB: 9.11.1915
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The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.
To Be Continued.
BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:
Nichiro
You have hit the NAIL on the HEAD ! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Rohit, I second Nichiro ! :D
Thanks Mr. Nichiro... I wanted to reply the same to Mr. Rohit. And you have said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
We have already discussed and replied... under this same Thread, at the initial stages... to such of the Counter-Arguments from Non-believers.
So we need not RE-OPEN once again the same point here...on THAT GREAT OCCULT- SCIENCE ...a part of Rich Indian-Heritage...
...recognised by even the Foreigners like Mr. Cheiro.
Most of us here are Not Astrologers, but only the Clients. We all here are PERSONALLY WELL-CONVINCED on the Great Values of it...
... BASED ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCES...and thus a Practical LIFE- LESSON we learnt too !!!
However if a further ARGUMENT is called for by Mr. Rohit... Well, he can open another Thread on the same main heading: Astrology... but a Sub-section as...
... Astrology Genuine or False?
But... PARALLELLY... let us continue the Topic here...
And we are in course of discussion now... in a Radically different angle... AMONGST THE STAUNCH BELIEVERS
NO MORE INTERFERENCE PLEASE.... diverting towards the Rudiments.
Thank you Nichiro for making the much-needed clarificationQuote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Dear Nichiro, Selvakumar and Sudhaama
Please don't get so disheartened. I am not here to distract anyone from his or her beliefs. I only wanted to point to the fact, that astrology is merely a belief system, which can only be believed but it can never be claimed as science when examined under the principles of science. That is all I wanted to establish.
Thank you all, please continue with your discussion, keeping in mind that the enigmatic question I have raised, still requires an answer under the declared belief system of yours. This is very important, if not for others, but at least to convince yourselves about your own infidelity towards your own belief system
Till then, good luck and enjoy :) :thumbsup:
Rohit,
If you want to disprove /prove a system, you MUST learn the system and only then, try and disprove it. No fun in taking digs at any system without knowing it.
Thanks for your future non interference.
Nichiro
Dear Nichiro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
I have described the situation on the basis of scientific data and scientific methodology; and I know both well enough to disprove what I have disproved about your belief system and I have also raised the most enigmatic question for not only you, but for all of us that need answering under your belief system. Now if you care to answer any of that within the framework of science and scientific principles, I would definitely welcome that.
:) :thumbsup:
Dear Nichiro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
I have described the situation on the basis of scientific data and scientific methodology; and I know both well enough to disprove what I have disproved about your belief system and I have also raised the most enigmatic question for not only you, but for all of us that need answering under your belief system. Now if you care to answer any of that within the framework of science and scientific principles, I would definitely welcome that.
:) :thumbsup: