Yes, IMO he should have been the captain after Waugh. Would have been a great captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
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Yes, IMO he should have been the captain after Waugh. Would have been a great captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Yeah, Warne alone could have won this match for Australia. I remember him giving a torrid time to Jimmy Adams and Ottis Gibson in this match and the tri series that was played in Australia. His flippers and zooters were lethal because he used it wisely, by that I mean he never over used it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
His personal issues were a bit too much to ignore. That was the prime reason why he was not given captaincy. With his attacking mindset, he would've made a great captain. IPL-a paathu manasai thethikka vendiyadhudhaan.Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
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Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Rudi Koertzen - Warne a class apart.
"I have always admired fast bowlers like Glenn McGrath and Allan Donald but the bowler who stands out is Shane Warne. He used to get the best out of the umpires by putting a lot of pressure on them. On numerous occasions he bowled from my end and I have always found him testing my decision-making. Like every umpire, I had to concentrate extremely hard when he was bowling because he had so much variety and variation that every ball he bowled was potentially a wicket-taking delivery."
It is a lesson to all young spinners. To keep the batsman guessing on when the variation will arrive.Quote:
Originally Posted by satissh_r
Another interesting point Warne always says is: "Bowling for the non-striker to see". He usually bowls a very big leg-break at the beginning of the over so that both striker and non-striker can see that he has that weapon (ore kallula rendu maanga). He would lure them to play for the leg spin, but the ball would be a straighter one and he would get an lbw :notworthy:.
More than his exploits against Eng / SA who are traditional suspects against spin, his bowling which enabled Aus to win in SL (IIRC 1993-94 season) is a greater achievement.
I always will remember him as a bowler who was taken apart by Sachin.. this piece
When he was making a comeback in 2004, he was selected as a second spinner behind MacGill for the SL test series. So Warne was battling MacGill from his own side and comparison with Murali on other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
Warne ended the 3 test series with 26 wickets (just 1 behind Murali IIRC). Aus won the series 3-0. MacGill was again relegated to Warne's understudy :D
ennadaa 2 naal aachu, innum varalaiye-nu paathen :D. No doubt Sachin has come out on top on most of their contests. But there is more to Warne than just his contest against Sachin, tabloid headlines and scandals. Just attempting to throw some light on his magic, self-confidence and genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinesh84
Warne has a poor record against India in India. Everyone knows that.
What doesnt get discussed is this:
Mr "Mum-gave-the-pill" has a whopping 9 wickets in 5 tests against India in Australia! And the batsmen who faced up include Ajit Bombay Duck Agarkar, MSK GiftToOpposition Prasad, Vikram "nInga vikkalAm nAnga vAnga mAttOm" Rathore, Debang Gandhi etc.
idhuvE Warne IndianA irundhirundhA idhai vechE "Warne is rubbish against good players of spin"-nu adhaiyE main narrativeA vechuruppAnga.
Media Manipulation ennAnnu England/Aus pArthu kathukkaNum.
nAn mattum blogsla ipdi polambi enna puNNiyam. ennadA indian journalists simbly waste fellows
Plum, out of the 5 tests, 2 were in his debut series when Ravi Shastri took him to the cleaners. The other 3 tests were all in the 1999 series. He bowled well in Adelaide, picked 6 wickets (appo remaining 4 matches-la 3 wickets, full toss Plum :D) and got a 4-for including Sachin's wicket (another umpiring mistake - more fodder for your cannon :D). Melbourne and Sydney were all about Brett Lee and Warne was almost reduced to a hold one end up bowler.
But which spinner has a good record against India? Even Murali cannot match his lofty heights when playing against India. India-kooda perform panradhai mattume ore spinner-ku consider pannanumna Giles-dhaan world's best spinner :lol2:
Allov murali in sri lanka has awesome record against india. Idhai thaan media manipulationgaren.
image epdi create panni irukkanganna murali and warne have similar overall record against indiangarA mAdhiri.
I wish I could switch to a media career. I will give the western jouirnalists and manipulative icc officials a dose of their own medicine :evil:
Murali averages 32 against India and 45 in India. Compare that against his career average of 22 and it does show that he hasn't matched his standards. Of course many spinners would kill for an average of 32 against India or overall for that matter :D.
indha media manipulation namma oorula illaingareengala? Even Bajji averages 32 :twisted:
Murali's record at home is very good against india. Warne rendu idathileyum Mahaa kevalamaana record. There is a huge difference.
And records against eng and Sa with umpites who used to wilt againsz ptessure tactics of ponting, hayd, gilch and warne doesn't count for me.
My favorite leg spinner and spin bowler. Those flippers and leg breaks and googly's are a joy to watch. The multiple rotations of the ball spinning in the air as captured by slow motion camera is a great sight. Fav ones : Basit ali bowled and andrew strauss. Great performances in world cups too. He and steve waugh are the chief architects of 1999 world cup win.
Right-u Plum. I can see where you are coming at. But Murali side-layum too-many-home-games,Bang & Zim-nu I can clutch my straws and pick some points. Leaving the stats and media agenda aside, doesn't watching Warne bring you a sense of joy? To a lesser extent I get the same joy when I see Swann bowl nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Exactly. I am being obnoxious to drive home the same point. Warne is a fine bowler but not worthy of the huge legend built around him - especially the legend around him in comparison with murali.
He is not to bowling what sachin and Lara are to batting.
PB - Even after Excluding Zim, Bangla, Murali's ferfaarmance is better than Warnie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Sathya-ji adhaan clutching my straws-nu thelivaa potturukkene :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
Murali as an underdog winning against all odds :thumbsup:. othukkaren, vizhundhu kumbidaren :notworthy:
But Murali's bowling. I am sorry I have my doubts on his action.
PB, point taken. Self :hammer: for posting without fully reading ur posts.
Rightu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
And are you suggesting Murali is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
You wouldn't want me to talk about his action. Yet to are bringing up Murali again and again. KettA, obviously Warne is to be compared-nu solluveenga. Fair enough.
But then my comparison will begin and end with the outright dismissal of someone with such an action. aRaicha maavu and all that.
Of course Murali trumps Warne in wickets in all circumstances, won more matches than any other cricketer who has ever played the game. Tests, ODI, home, away - everywhere. Murali's record is phenomenal and going to stand forever. podhumA?
But if you are going to bring him up again and again to downplay Warne's achievement I am going to have to bring up my Murali grouse too.
anaavasiyamaa siruthaiyai suraNdi paakkAdheenga :twisted:
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Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
PR :clap:. neengalum namma (Warne) shaving set-u pola? :D
edhaavadhu memories post pannuga.
Feeyaar, if you dismiss Murali's wickets due to action, I will dismiss Warne's many wickets that were not actually wickets but were got because he knew how to pressure the umpire and force him to give decisions in his favour. Ofcourse, I cant prove it just as you cannot prove that Murali threw.
And I repeat, England was the Bangladesh of batting against good spinners. 200 wickets against them should be discounted if you discount Murali's wickets against Zim/Ban.
I am ok with him not performing against India in India but even in Australia against India, our man 9 wickets in 5 tests :lol:
And people talk of Murali's bad record in Australia.
Actually let me admit upfront that I upgraded from liking Warne to Warne rasigan with the rise of Murali and having to bear the cross of passionately defend the classical game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
So I am not that familiar with his early Ashes exploits etc.
The most memorable match would have to be the 1999 SF.
He sent back the openers. And then got Cronje out first ball.
Then Kallis and Rhodes recovered and steadied. He came back to take out Kallis.
(Even in the preceding supersix match he broke the crucial partnership between Gibbs anbd iniya naNbar Cullinan. And got Cronje in the same over).
They were defending a small total and if you see all the ohter bowlers were being hit easily while Warne bowled 4 maidens !
(In the supersix match too he had terrific figures despite being thulped by Klusener in his last over).
Terrific performance. Always kept the pressure on, beautiful variety, just priced out every single wicket.
adhu outtE illa, boot catch! David Sheperd :hammer:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
varalaatrula adhellAm varappadaadhu :notthatway:
nejamaavE out aanaalum, Flau vandhu amount vaangittu Cronje out aanadha sollappOraaru.
And 1996 WC SF against WI. He literally turned the match in Australia's favor by picking up important wickets every time he came to bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Crossed feeyaar in post count :-)
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Originally Posted by Plum
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Originally Posted by P_R
warnie..a rockstar on the pitch.. :clap:
only bowler who is entertaining ball after ball even if there is nothing happening in the game..
:yes: Warnie makes it into the World XI (unanimously :cool:) and Readers XI.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/con...ry/482936.html
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Originally Posted by Cricinfo
Warnie :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cricinfo
andha jury pinna vEra enna paNNuvAnga. Sachinku vote pOdAdha chappell irundha jury dhAnE - vayatherichal gumbal.
Ajit Wadekar and Murali's countryman Duleep Mendis-kooda irundhaangannu nenaikkaren :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Oh apdiyA?
*adjusts viewfinder*
Ahn gnAbagam vandhiruchu
Mendis singaLa ina veRiyarin maraimuga tamizh edhirppu
Wadekar vadakkathi mERkathi thimir thamizhanai recognise paNNa kUdAdhunnu
(YAru kitta? :-) _)
indha logic padi paathaa Srikkanth and Woorukkeri Raman-adhaan jury-kku anuppanum. appakkooda "innoru Tamizhan eppadi munneralaamnu ivunga vote podalai"-nu solluveenga.
SeriousA badhil solRinga?
But do you think SachinkillAdha unanimous choice does Warne deserve?
Do you or don't you think some goodhals is involved?$
Remember in a previous listing Sehwag got same no. Of votes as others and his name was iruttadippu senjufied. Rahul bhatacharya protested over this. Cricinfi follows the agenda of western cricketing powers and is capable of such dark deeds.
Certainly, I don't believe warne is that far ahead of murali( I mean he is behind in terms of achievements but even if one grants dubious claims that he his clean and murali is unclean, he is not far ahead)
I have no doubt that Sachin deserved unanimous selection. But even then it was one sour person voting against Sachin rather than the same person lobbying and garnering 3-4 votes against Sachin. To push Crookinfo's agenda, a headline like "Sachin just makes the cut in World XI" would be far more sensational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Some politics might have happened. Unless someone comes out and breaks the story we can only speculate. But 33% of the panel is Asian (Intikhab Alam, Wadekar, Ramachandra Guha & Duleep Mendis) and AFAIK Wadekar and Mendis are strong personalities (I might be wrong :oops:). So it does give us a fair chance for accurate results (maybe 10% error for political lobbying/agenda).
If I may borrow PR-speak, Murali has only been accepted as part of the system and to decorate him as a success of the system is beyond the imagination of us (upholders of the classical game). Unlike Sachin who had to battle with other batting greats like Richards and Lara, Warne's battle is only against Murali. And the contest would end for many once the "whether Murali is unclean" question is answered. If they themselves are not 100% convinced of the action, then there is no way they are going to select him in a World XI. The unanimous vote does look like a heavy laurel, but Warnie didn't have a contest and it isn't his fault IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
This is the grouse I have with you so called classicists. Agree to disagree ellAm solla vENdiyadhu but chance kedaikkarachE agendavai mun vaikkaRadhu. If you accept him as part of the system, you should not deny hm the laurels. Ipdi agendavOdu seyal padum classicists irukkum varai, I will not respect sach "unanimous" choices.
Gary Sobers, Bradman, Lara rated Murali above Warne. Adhuvum huge laurel dhAn. Who cares if chappel brother doesn't recognise?