The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

My dear Friend,

May I know...In what way such a STATISTICS is goig to help you?

I believe you are quite Smart enough...... even if you are totally BLANK on this Topic.

... and so look forward WISE-QUESTIONS from persons like you...

...thus make this dais for a LIVELY DISCUSSION... interesting for all, including you...

...conforming to the Healthy Scope of this Thread meant for EXCHANGING MUTUAL KNOWLEDGE.

...instead of such of your Dry, Redundant, Gossip, Personal analysis, Deviations and SIDE-TRACKING Questions...

...which can only lead to Misunderstandings amongst the Friendly Hubbers...

...KILLING THEIR ENTHUSIASM towards adding Knowledge.

Dear Friend... Do you want such a NEGATIVE OUTCOME?...Intend so?
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No. I do not mean to kill the enthusiasm.

Any discussions on literature can happen for two reasons:

1. Discuss in appreciation of the imaginative genious of the authors of those days which calls you for understanding things going back to Dwarpa-Yuga. We do not need to actually believe in the flying rathas nor do we need to agree upon who is wrong and who is right. Simply we will experience it for the pleasure reading it. An inter-preter in this case performs the role of a mere translator and nothing more. There is not "why" or "how" questions asked.

2. The second way is to look at a piece of literature as a morale exemplenaire. If we choose to do so, we must see it from what is applicable and understandable in the present context, which is the Kali-Yuga. This approach calls for being critical of anything that is described in the literature which cannot be applied today or cannot happen today. Here the inter-preter plays the role of a defender of the literature, and has to explain both the "whys" and "hows", while others are critical about it. If a flying ratha is not possible today, other ideas of the literature are not applicable too.

This thread looked for me a bit more serious to be described as pursuing the first approach. But it did not 100% fit the second approach too. A lot of "why" questions were asked as if it mattered a lot, but no "how" questions have come-up so far. To me, if the "hows" are not explained in literature, then there is no need for anyone to be seriously asking a "why" question.

With many "whys" and no "hows" in this thread, I was confused. That is "why" I asked.

Haha, till a couple of hundred years ago, people would have laughed if they were told you could actually fly over the Atlantic Ocean to the New World!!!!

And yet, airplanes are part and parcel of today's world.

Architectural engineers still marvel at the genuis that went into the creation of the Egyptian pyramids, the Mayan pyramids and the Sumerian ziggurats - monuments that were constructed 3000 years ago!

Can you explain all those, pizzalot, that you are trying to undermine the flying ratha?

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Originally Posted by Badri

Haha, till a couple of hundred years ago, people would have laughed if they were told you could actually fly over the Atlantic Ocean to the New World!!!!

And yet, airplanes are part and parcel of today's world.

Architectural engineers still marvel at the genuis that went into the creation of the Egyptian pyramids, the Mayan pyramids and the Sumerian ziggurats - monuments that were constructed 3000 years ago!

Can you explain all those, pizzalot, that you are trying to undermine the flying ratha?

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They still marvel at the Pyramid not because they cannot build it themselves. They marvel because the Pharoh's built them 3000 years before. 1000 such pyramids can be built year with today's technology. Why we do not do that is we do not have a pharoh to burry into it.

So there are people who really believe there were flying rathas and they came down when someone said a lie. I thought you guys understood it in some metaphoric sense !

As I said, help is on the way ! The Doctor is putting his tool kits together ! :rotfl:

Dear Mr Pizzalot,

Please do not deviate from the Topic... towards the General sense pertinent to Overall Culture and History of the ancient days....

...where in the course of discussions or arguments, we may have to touch several subjects of not only Epics of Mahabharatha, Ramayana, but also the Ancient Indian History, Literatures and Culture too.

... whereas this Thread is relevant only to one Concentrated Topic of Single Epic, Mahabharatha.

If you intend such an Overall discussion... please open a separate thread... and speak out clearly whatever you have to say...

in a HEALTHY AND THOUGHT-PROVOKING manner... conforming to wisdom and Gentlemanly norms.

Let us continue here... ONLY ON MAHABHARATHA... and Not beyond.

All I can say is Ignorance is a bliss, pls don’t deviate from such enlighten discussions v had here, Sudhamma Sir MUST be treated with MOST RESPECT here, :twisted:

Let's put a stop to it and continue with serious discussions!!

Dear Sudhama Sir and Others.

We have not talked much about Nakula and Sahadeva amongst the Pandavas, can we pls discuss their talents and skills they posses?
thanks

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Originally Posted by Raghu

..... ..... Dear Sudhama Sir and Others.

We have not talked much about Nakula and Sahadeva amongst the Pandavas, can we pls discuss their talents and skills they posses?
thanks

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Dear Raghu,

Not so. I have replied earlier at length to the series of questions about Nakula...

...whom many consider as a Redundant Character for Mahabharatha...

...at par with Sathrugna of Ramayana... equally deemed so.

Whereas both these characters were important for the specific roles in the relevant Epic.

If any of you want to quote those postings here on NAKULA, once again and raise some questions afresh, I welcome.

But no doubt... You are correct to say that we have not talked much about Sahadeva, which part, we can take up subsequently... after Nakula.

//pls don’t deviate from such enlighten discussions v had here ..//

What makes you think I am not serious ?

Mr.Sudhama, please kindly refrain from drawing analogy of the present to Mahabharath like the below:

//...when only, the WORST SINNERS, the Wicked come to power and seriously try to DEFEAT RIGHTEOUSNESS on Earth. Rather it was a challenge... which state of affairs exists even in the present days.! //

A lot of people like me will have to jump into fray. Any such discussion is too important to be left to a few people. A lot of Pandavas and Krishnas are in politics. It becomes too important an issue to be left un-argued.

For example consider this statement :

"Police thwart the theif with tact and we must not call it cunningness."
Agreed. But who is with the Government ? Police. Who is against ? Thieves.
Who was with the Government? Dhuryodhana. Who was against ? Pandavas. So who was "cunning" ? Who was trying to be "tactful" ?

Please continue the discussion based on what was stated only. You may quote someone as good and someone as bad, but only as stated in the version of Mahabharath, per Srivatsan's proposal, to which everyone agreed I believe. Any citation to present or analogies will invite controversies. A big war is out there between the Pandavas and Kauravas in politics.

//Sudhamma Sir MUST be treated with MOST RESPECT here//

I do not understand how I disrespected him. Everyone should be given utmost respect.

Dear Sudhama Sir,

I have one question, who actually prescribed the auspicious day to start the War, when Duryodhana went to Pandavas to ask for the auspicious day to start the war, so that he can win that war?

And vaguely remember the incident when Krishna does some trick to come the 'Pournami' or 'Amaavasai' day to come forward than, the day described in the Vedic Panchangam?

Can you pls elaborate on this a bit more, thank you?

//quote: raghu: Sudhamma Sir MUST be treated with MOST RESPECT here.

quote: pizzalot: I do not understand how I disrespected him. Everyone should be given utmost respect.//

Yes. Yes. Yes...Thanks a lot to Mr Raghu for his high regards on me.

But I am not interested as to how many here, respect me and how many others decry me... since I have come here to make use of My time happily and usefully.... alongside spreading the same spirit amongst my friends who reciprocate with me so.... Nothing beyond.

Dear Mr Pizzalot,

Welcome.... For your information, I respect and duly honour you... whether you agree or differ with me on any point or aspect...and irrespective of other Hubbers individual views...

Thank you for raising wise Questions enabling me to throw more light on a USEFUL SUBJECT for our present day life.

So please feel free to speak out whatever you have in mind, in a dignified manner conforming to the Spirit of Discussion-Forum. But I request you NOT TO GET EMOTIONAL. I assure I will not say anything provocative nor will allow so from others too.

Whatever I say, please take it in the direct sense... of healthy Heart and Discerning-Wisdom..

// [...when only, the WORST SINNERS, the Wicked come to power and seriously try to DEFEAT RIGHTEOUSNESS on Earth. Rather it was a challenge... which state of affairs exists even in the present days.! ]

A lot of people like me will have to jump into fray. Any such discussion is too important to be left to a few people. A lot of Pandavas and Krishnas are in politics. It becomes too important an issue to be left un-argued.

For example consider this statement :

"Police thwart the theif with tact and we must not call it cunningness."
Agreed. But who is with the Government ? Police. Who is against ? Thieves.

Who was with the Government? Dhuryodhana. Who was against ? Pandavas. So who was "cunning" ? Who was trying to be "tactful" ?//

By saying "which State of affairs exist even in the present days"... I mean some of the present day Families amongst the Brothers too.

The purpose of documenting by our Ancestors... the Epics like Mahabharatha... deemed as part of Indian-Heritage...is to impart its Worthy Lessons for the advantage of the Posterity

... irrespective of the Events and Characters, True or Fiction... (left to the individuals own evaluation)... although believed as the FIFTH VEDA by the Hindus

The dispute here is NOT BETWEEN A CULPRIT with the Police and the GOVERNMENT.

But amongst the Two groups of Brothers ... possessing logical RIGHT for the claim.

...And also it was a Moral-Battle between the Humane RIGHTEOUSNESS Vs. Bestial DOMINATION backed by Selfishness, Jealousy, Wickedness, Cheating and such other nefarious means....

... taking the support of Nobles and Mights with Embarassment... to beat out Dharma...the Doctrines of Righteousness.

We have several points to talk in favour of Kauravas too... so called Duryodana-side...

...but whose Intentions was appreciable?... If Pandavas were defeated, what would have resulted in?

The Neighbours' Jackal tries to kill the innocent Cow...at its own house !

No doubt. that is the most interesting factor and Beauty in Mahabharatha unlike any other Epic of the world.

... since in some cases it is a Conflict between two equally worthy Dharmas or Doctrines of Righteousness.

But according to circumstances of Dilemma, which one is to be preferred... is the point of discernment here.

The most important point of overall impression is... that the whole story develops on the faults or blunders of one or more characters on both the sides....

The worst BLUNDERER was Bheeshma.... due to his Inconsistency and Self-contradictions.

Apart from Krishna... there are Two most noble Characters in this Epic... who were misused by the Dominating Wicked forces

... but they gain our high Respects, Appreciation and Sympathy for their INNOCENTLY getting trapped due to their Emotional decisions..... under Complex-situations of Dharma-Sangatam.... LIFE- CHALLENGES

Such IMMACULATE characters are VIDHURA and KARNA... who were innocent Victims of Circumstances.... especially Karna..

We can have No SYMPATHIES for Drona, Kripa, and Bheeshma too... because they deserve such a PUNISHMENT.

// Please continue the discussion based on what was stated only. You may quote someone as good and someone as bad, but only as stated in the version of Mahabharath, per Srivatsan's proposal, to which everyone agreed I believe.//

Such Episodes are intended to emulate towards our right decisions in our lives.... as Lessons.

For example, when we tell Crow and Fox story to our child... he applies his Wisdom and understands the Lesson behind for life... of his own accord by means of Wisdom application.

Similarly for Tough Life-lessons... especially in embarassing situations of dilemma... if and when humans are placed... we get the Advanced Lessons from such Epics.

So Mahabharatha is meant for our development of Thoughts by Wisdom.... towards our own Life- Advancements !!!

Dear sudhama sir,

Pls answer my query above, thank you