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13th January 2010, 10:15 AM
njv

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Saagar,

That is really surprising indeed. For I see most of the kids here go for the modern sounding beat driven songs. Maybe it has to do with what they are exposed to in childhood. She has good taste for sure :)

My 4 yr old son love IR songs. His first ever song was Tiruvasagam (when my wife was carrying him). His first "visual" song was "Janani" from "One Man Show" dvd. When he saw IR on the screen, he lied flat on the ground ("namaskaram"). This was when he was about year and half. Since then, he has been IR fan.

He (like every other child) is adicted to Nintendo. Nothing can take his focus out of Nintendo, except IR songs. He dont turn his head to even TV commercials. A soothing 80 melody is the only thing that can disturb him.

He is hooked on to "Raasathi Onna". He sing with perfect notes. Hoping to put him into Carnatic lesson and let him feel music. Y'day, I played "Vaanilae thennila aaduthae paaduthae" - He instantly caught onto it and asking for repeat.

Kids are open minded. They take what we give them.
13th January 2010, 02:08 PM
Sureshs65

njv,

Going by what I am hearing from you, Saagar and Jai, a new generation of Raja fans is already on the way. In a decades time they will be dominating this forum and we can retire peacefully :) (Not that anyone is forcing us to continue. Many may want us to take VRS now itself :lol: )
13th January 2010, 02:23 PM
njv

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Originally Posted by irir123

andha symphony vishayathhula yedho thaaru maaru nadandhurukku - otherwise he wud have released it long ago - either in terms of quality or copyrights related issue, there is something serious abt the symphony - i dont think either AGI or balki can do anything abt it

I heard 2 stories so far.

1. SONY want full copyright for the Symphony. IR never gives copyright of his music to anyone (most recently ARR started this and this created some conflict with T-Series). Full copyright includes paying royalty to SONY if IR himself re-use this music or to perform in any shows.

2. Some one who reviewed this questioned authenticity of the music and IR was pissed off and decided not to release.

I believe the former because IR has had issues with this through out his career. Later - hmmm... also believable.
13th January 2010, 02:24 PM
raagas

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

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besides even if it is released, namma buddhi/vetkam ketta makkal will download illegally

"Buddhi ketta makkal" are not there exclusively for spoiling IR's chances. These people do it for any music from anybody.
IR needs to stop fuming over the system and learn to swim in the new trend currents !

Hmm.. Thats true.. every composer/artist is facing the same issue.
13th January 2010, 02:28 PM
rajaalltheway

Coming to kiddy preferences,any tiny tot aged above 2 in kerala knows "thannannam thaanannam" from Yatra,something Ayya composed back in 80s.I dont know from where my 3 year old daughter learnt it,i dont remember playing it in my stereo often.Ofcourse 'thumbi vaa' and 'kiliye kiliye' are staple diets for kids in every kerala household.Sad they get corrupted once they age and discover something called 'new' in music
13th January 2010, 11:11 PM
Sureshs65

Been listening to 'Ramana Saranam Saranam' album first thing in the morning for more than a week now. I had earlier posted regarding the songs of this album. I want to now post some thoughts on the devotional albums of Raja.

As everyone knows Raja has been releasing devotional albums at regular intervals. In his biography he says that he tuned 4 Kannada devotional songs and lot of people were touched by those songs. I searched hard for it and got it. Only to realize that I already had the Tamil versions of these songs in the album, 'Geeta Vazhipadu'. The devotional albums that Raja has released that I know of include: 'Illayarajavin Geeta Vazhipadu', 'Ramana Malai', 'Guru Ramana Geetham', 'Geeta Vazhipadu', 'Amma Paamalai', 'Manikanda Geeta Mala' and 'Ramana Saranam Saranam'. I am unable to procure 'Amma Paamlai' though I have tried hard. If someone lets me know where I can procure it, I will be grateful. I have heard the songs though on thiraipaadal.

When I hear these songs what I realize is that not only in the sphere of music is Raja an integrator, but also in the devotional field. What I mean here is that whenever people talk about devotional song or devotional album, they immediately have a standard template in mind. If it is a Hindu devotional, the expectation is that it will be based on some carnatic or a light hindustani ragam. The same way, the Christian and Muslim devotionals have their own templates. Everyone thinks that devotional songs are different from film tunes. A statement like 'That devotional song sounds like a film song' is usually made in the pejorative sense. Raja, in most of these albums, doesn't bother about such expectations. He seems to believe that 'bhakthi' is the same, whether you express it as a 'film song', or as a folk song or as a semi classical song. The overall feeling should be what the lyrics want to convey. To his credit, he does convey the sense, though at first people's reaction is somewhat confused as to what these type of songs are doing in a devotional album.

I remember the time when I bought 'Ramanamalai' tape in the ashram and drove back to Bangalore playing that tape. My wife's reaction was "This sounds like a film album." Later it went on to become a very important devotional album for her. Same was the case with 'Guru Ramana Geetham'. When she heard one song based on Mayamalavagowla, she remarked, "This sounds like 'Oru chiri kandal' " Slowly this album too went on to become a favorite. If you hear 'Manikandan Geeta Mala' you will have the same feeling. Infact one of the posters here had said that one song sounded like a Christian devotional. My feeling is that in these albums Raja wants to break that barrier of saying this type of music is suitable only for this type of songs. He wants to convey the 'bhakthi bhavam' in every possible way. Be it a filmy melody, be it a folk melody, be it a qawali beat based song or a christian choir like song. Raja goes beyond the brahminical version of bhakthi to try and incorporate the bhakthi bhavam prevalent in different strata of the society.

Well, atleast that is my theory :) Not sure how many of you will agree with it. Your views most welcome.
14th January 2010, 01:05 AM
eagle

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Raja goes beyond the brahminical version of bhakth

whats brahminical version of bhakthi?... in musical sense... is it vedic chants? that case he incorporated them into many of his songs... y get into needless controversy?....
14th January 2010, 02:53 AM
Sureshs65

eagle,

I am definitely not trying to be controversial here. When I meant 'brahminical version of bhakthi' I meant something which is very formal, something which is more raga based, has less of folk elements etc. (I am not sure how to explain this without getting into controversy so I will point you to a short story of Jeyamohan titled, 'maadan moksham'. That probably gives a clear idea of what I wanted to say.)
14th January 2010, 03:24 AM
jaiganes

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

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besides even if it is released, namma buddhi/vetkam ketta makkal will download illegally

"Buddhi ketta makkal" are not there exclusively for spoiling IR's chances. These people do it for any music from anybody.
IR needs to stop fuming over the system and learn to swim in the new trend currents !

andha new trendu ennaannu konjam velakureengala .. please..
naangalum andha aathula neendhi paakuromE konjam...
14th January 2010, 03:32 AM
jaiganes

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Raja goes beyond the brahminical version of bhakth

whats brahminical version of bhakthi?... in musical sense... is it vedic chants? that case he incorporated them into many of his songs... y get into needless controversy?....

oru egjampil is something in MS Subbulakshmi's voice like a bhaja govindam or vishnu sahasranamam or suprabatham - adhu - if you observe all the current carnatic singers singing devotional try to channel MS and it is very evident.

non-brahmin version atleast among ladies is 'veppilaikkaari' template with LR Easwari singing out loud with louder orchestration..

Raaja's is as usual the middle way - understated and strained in emotion - classic example - 'Kaaranamindri kanneer varum' adhan raaga thala vistheernangal kuriththa aaraichi thevayatradhu, adhan bhaavam nijamaagave kanindha manangaLil kanneer varavazhaikka koodiyadhu, konjam kuzhaivodu nammai andi nirpadhu.
Indha paadalai isayaaga ketpadhai vida, youtube videovil Raasappu paadum bodhu innum unarchi ponguvadhEnO?

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