I understand , when one is under the influence of liquor , they speak the truth regardless of the consequences!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
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I understand , when one is under the influence of liquor , they speak the truth regardless of the consequences!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Not totally correct, people lose some inhibition - that's all. Depending upon the level of booze, some amukki vachchirundha vishayams can come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
However, the basic nature doesn't change a lot, in my observation. I've seen tons of people who continue to deliberately speak untruth - make up stories etc, even after 3 or 4 large :-)
Recently me & hubby of sis were having glenlivet, with my wife & sis doing chores in the kitchen.
My wife : Looks like you're talking too much, konjam overdose mAthiri theriyudhu
Me : hEh, I've still not started talking in 100% Malayalam (which is indication that "I must stop now")...also, my brain is sharp.
To prove I'm sober / stable, I recited 'thuppArrkkuth thuppAya"...kuRaL
My wife : 6-Am classla padichchadha recite paNRadhu enna piramAtham? KD-yellAm full thaNNila sondhamAvE eththanai pAttu ezhudhi irukkAr theriyumA?
:lol2:
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I supoose it varies from individuals to individuals :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
yup :rotfl: too here.. App should produce/direct a movie .. he has lots of material.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
why this kolaveRi, kiru sArE :-)
namma mooladhanam ellAm only "store & replay" :-) Not much useful in creative fields IMO.
nanRi, V_Sji!
I have difficulty appreciating 'feelings' in most performances of ICM singers, while their singing capabilities are incredible / remarkable and can stun me, put me in awe.Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
OTOH, "feelings" (aka strong emotions) can easily be evoked by instrumentals (ICM or WCM), apart from movie songs :-)
B(K),
:-)
In other words, it typically "degenerates" and takes away some good qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Very rarely it "improves" qualities (like uNmai mattum pEsudhal etc)...
Exactly App! :thumbsup: This is what I have been telling to many of relatives who are hard-core carnatic classical fanatics. I can listen to those legends starting from Ariyakudi, Madurai Mani Iyer, MDR, up to T N Seshagopalan generation, but not beyond that. The current generation of singers have lot of singing talent as you mentioned, that's about it, but I cannot go closer to God (as most of the songs are about God). By their singing, as I believe that should be the main focus of their singing, taking us closer to what it is meant to. I can only appreciate their singing, nothing else. Yes as you told correctly, classical instrumentals can take us there, as we have tremendous talent in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#306 குருவாயூரப்பா குருவாயூரப்பா
(புதுப்புது அர்த்தங்கள், 1989 , சித்ராவுடன்)
guruvAyoorappA of PPA, with KSC
Delightful and sweet duet that possibly featured Sithara. From the youtube above, PPA is supposedly her 'aRimugam' in TF but she was in MF a little earlier I think. Also, I'm not sure which one got released first - whether PPA or puthu vasantham. I've watched PV in theater those days and liked the movie / music (SAR's 'pAttu onnu nAn pAdattumA'). I also remember seeing her in Guru (MF) -the movie that had one of the top-10-scores of IR. IIRC, she is on-screen for the 'guru saraNam' song ; if that's right, she easily gets into a list of 'bhAgyavathees' that showed their faces for some incredible IR compositions!
KSC & SPB are in stiff competition here for top spot and SPB wins by a whisker thanks to his experience. That "guruvAyoor---apppA" split giving him an undue advantage, enna oru kuRumbu! (I wonder what SJ would have done to beat him, if she was asked to do this number). rAsA is not far behind either - with that terrific flute prelude and characteristic saraNam ending! However, he deliberately let the singers take upper hand in this song - sticking to his "tested-and-tried", signature kind of arrangements. Overall, it had catchiness and hit material packed right from the start and the melody holds good even after decades, for a yearning listen!
There's no fun if I don't write about guruvayoor when posting this song. Fortunately for hubbers, I had never been there but only read about in news reports (such as JJ gifting an elephant to the temple etc). However, I had been to places close by - Thrissur, KunnamkuLam, PattAmbi...AhA, PattAmbi, the place decorated by Bharathappuzha - one of the most beautiful rivers that I've ever seen!
The river that had been told as a major inspiration for M T Vasudevan Nair for his literary works. PattAmbi wiki says :
I was privileged to sit and watch the river in it's complete beauty on a fantastic sunny day, after attending the marriage of a co-worker in his home which was in a walkable distance from this! My view was very similar to this picture on wiki:Quote:
River Bharathappuzha flows through Pattambi and the nearby Panchayats. Renowned writers such as M.T. Vasudevan Nair and Akkitham Achuthan Namboothiri have been influenced by the Nila River's beauty.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Nila_Nadhi.jpg
Well, this wedding was a totally opposite story (i.e. from the erumappatti kadhai)! For some time, I was like Tenali Raman's cat (once bitten thingy) after the first experience. Generally avoided travelling for weddings to Kerala interiors for "less-known" co-workers. Attended if they were local, otherwise contribute an amount when the "collection paper" gets circulated and don't bother much:-) But this was a close guy and hence undertook the bus travel to reach Pattambi and then jeep travel among small hills / rubber estates to reach his beautiful home surrounded by rubber trees and close to the puzha! What a beautiful sight it was!
Since the objective of the visit was to enjoy and be happy, I carefully took 'virundhu' out of my mind:-) It was a 'namboothiri' marriage - the ceremonies supposedly running for days - so, we didn't worry much about the groom & bride except for a brief handshake but roamed around the home and had lively conversations with co-workers / friends. I was expecting the worst when we were seated for lunch with vAzhai ilai and made to wait for a few minutes. It was an unusual wait and I was wondering why. Then it started!
During school days, we walked a few miles to go to a nearby village railway station to watch the first trip of Vaigai express and I was amazed at the 100 kmph speed with the dhadak-dhadak sound, standing mesmerized! There was a similar experience in this virundhu when the express train of servers started! The most remarkable thing was their loudly telling EACH AND EVERY PERSON what is being served! (neyyu, neyyu, neyyu, chORu, chORu, chORu etc)!
Looking back, their serving can be compared to Monica Seles playing a clay court game (the rasaththinu sORu, rasaththinu sORu, rasaththinu sORu like her grunts)! It was a fabulous lunch, the best serving ever seen (similar precision I've not seen even in USA) and a phenomenally tasty meal - with adapradhaman & pazhapradhaman delicious!
It was after the lunch that we walked to the river and spent almost an hour enjoying the rammiyam! It was an unforgettable wedding and a memorable day in life!
ராசாவை கேட்டு விசுவை மறந்தோம், திலீப்பை கேட்டு ராசாவை மறந்தோம் (Second part applicable only to me, not for app_engine)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I am not sure whether Raghuman's first movie is Nilave Malare or Kanne kaniyamude. Both movies had some beautiful melodies from MSV. My favourite is "Ninnaiye Radhiyendru", Bharathiyar's lyrics set to tune by MSV and sung by KJY.
By the way, don't miss the beautiful Amala :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxazVUBardM
I should know better. The more innocent, gullible not too educated types tend to speaketh the truth. Manasula ullatha appadiyE kottiduvAngga. The more educated, shrewd type usually would use the opportunity to brag. The in-between usually take the opportunity to b.s. More often than not, when drinking guys tend to talk about drinking, how the other day they had too much, or how that particular drink made them high too fast, etc etc. In my case, with my brother, it's movies and politics, 70% usually about Kamal/Rajini and my brother would interject the conversation with updates on ARR. Tanni adichu cinema patti pesurathu oru tani sugam....Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Guruvaayoorappa....:-D
listen to that piano, flute prelude set the playfulness, Bala in flirtatious mood, Raja get silly in his second interlude too.:-D
Chithra as usual sweet.
Smooth & emotive S.P.B, amazing range & resonance & bass of Yesudas etc... are gifts to Ilayaraja's compositions.
Raja compositions deserve them.
no praises are enough... just enjoy, be grateful!:ty:
vinatha.
1.Nilava Malare is the answer 2. App - unga erumapatti story could have made it to a pandiarajan movie in the 80s. No offence, but I think PR would make a good choice for your role in the situation you outlined :) - so yes, if not director, you can be creative consultant or story idea board chairman 3. Raghuman brings back traumatic memories of Nadhiya - anbulla appa in particular so please go easy on Raghuman references :)
4. App, the actress in guruvayoorappa is not Sithara but Geetha Iyengar
Yes he would make a Perfect script writer :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by kiru
IIRC Chithara was rehman's wife :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Geetha = possessive wife. Sithara, the relief in his life.
Kinda like remake of Sindhu Bhairavi ain't it. Hmm.....
:shock: amongst our friends , it is all ways about Ex/current Girlfriends and When I am involved a high dosage of Philosophy :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Which one would you prefer ? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Geetha with shotgun at close range. Sithara at least two minutes head start.
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Originally Posted by groucho070
Not really? In SB Sulakshana was kind of "gyna sooniyum" as in no interest or knowledge in music. in PPA it is kind of differentQuote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
BTW, Plum, why offence? PR was a brilliant, enjoyable performer in almost all movies I saw him :-)
I'm glad you took the time to read the long story - mikka nanRi!
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actress in guruvayoorappa is not Sithara
Does Sithara have any song at all in the movie? (I'll have to check-out the other youtubes later today)...
groucho,
:rotfl: on your comments on heroinees...
BTW, yes, it's fun to alasify movies / TFM after some liquor. During late 90's, every visit to "Fort Palace" bar in Palakkad (with colleagues, at least 3 -4 times a year, strictly when the family was away) ended with min one hour loud talking in the parking lot on IR-ARR; i.e. after at least an hour on the same topic inside the bar :-)
Of course, but surprisingly that is an inimitable SPB solo 'KEladi Kanmani'. The music which expresses freedom in both of them. Another fun song 'EllOrum Maavaata Kathukidanum' which again involves both Raghuman and Sithara.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I am surprised to see many referes Rahman as Raghuman, he is a Malayalee Muslim guy. The name is Rahman, in the Intial stages of ARR entry in TFM, many used to call him A.R.Raguman, when in fact it was Rehman!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_(actor)
In 1980s Tamil movies, he is credited as "ரகுமான்" - so it is Raghuman in Tamil.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
More over, we Tamils are proud at not able to pronounce Sanskrit sounds like "sha", 'ha", "bha", "kru", "jha" etc... so we replace them with nearest sounding letters.
For a purist, it will be "இரகுமான்" or Rakuman (Someone with better knowledge in Tamil Grammar correct me if I am wrong).
Sorry You got me wrong :) I am not Debating about Tamil Vs Sanskrit.Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
Besides, the name "Rahman" is of Arabic/Babylonian/Persion Origin. IMHO I feel any non Tamizh names should be pronounced in it's authenticity. Eg The way English words are pronounced in Thamizh like eg Australia as Avusthralia :lol2:
Any way, just my humble opinion , No offence meant :)
#307 கேளடி கண்மணி
(புதுப்புது அர்த்தங்கள், 1989)
kELadi kaNmaNi (song, not the movie)
SPB special.
Enough said.
It was around the time when this cassette was playing the most at our bachelor home, we had a Thrissur trip to attend another co-worker's marriage. This is the third unusual marriage attendance for me. It was early-1990 I think (or last part of 1989) and we rode four 100cc's at terrific speed (me in my new Kawasaki being one of the drivers) to reach the maNdapam located on the "circle".
Any who visited this 4th biggest town in Kerala (after Kochi, Kozhikkode & Thiruvananthapuram) must be familiar with the beautiful circle in the heart of the town. There's an elevated, almost hill-like ground in the inner part of this huge circle. That's where a temple is located which is the venue of 'pooram' festival that showcases lot of elephants each year. Very picturesque place, with all kinds of shops / businesses located on the other side of the road-around-the-circle.
By the time we reached the hall, the marriage was almost over and we stood in the line to meet the couple on stage and greet them. The groom was a very brilliant chap, silent most of the time but when he speaks, sharp answers! Terror to bosses as they will be given 'on-the-face' answers to their stupid questions (which was mostly the case)...he was almost total grey at the time of marriage though still in late-20's or may be early-30's. Well, in total, he was one of my fav co-workers!
It was around 11 and the typical 'crowd-watching' was going on and food was not so much in the mind of any of us. By this time, I've started enjoying the matta ari / nEnthram chips / adapradhaman etc and would have thoroughly relished the meal that day. However, the gang had different plans and I had to comply with the crowd. The decision by the "leader" (the friend whose Hero Honda was the training bike of us all, as mentioned in an old post) was to go across the circle to a nice b-c-r :-)
So, the bikes roared around the circle to reach the white painted bar-cum-restaurant, as the unanimous decision was to enjoy kingfisher on that hot day in that sweaty town. If someone had suggested that I would do such a thing (bar-ring when attending a wedding) a couple of years back, I could have fainted. What a fast change in lifestyle! Perhaps the first time for me to skip a vivAha sadya (interesting blog post in this link) to go to beer, right in the middle of the day :shock:
Well, we all had a terrific session, great food and a "high-risk-high-speed" ride back on the highway :oops:
There's a sad end to this story (much like the mild sad feeling one gets when listening to this song). That brillant chap left our org shortly thereafter. One of my teammates was closer to him and was in touch with him afterwards too and kept us updated as to his life events.
His family life was happy. They had a child. On one day he, wife and child happily went to bed. His heart failed and he didn't wake up in the morning :cry:
Great post App!. Thanks for the vivAha sadya article. Nice look back on our tradition. Mouth-watering delicacies!. But all that killed, reading your last statement, very sad news. :sad:
Coming to the song, it is one of Vaali sir's greatest varigaL.:notworthy: Idhai paadum pOthu unarum sugamE thani.
என்னாளும் தானே தேன் விருந்தாவது
பிறர்க்காக நான் பாடும் திரைப் பாடல்தான்
இன்னாளில் தானே நான் இசைத்தேனம்மா
எனக்காக நான் பாடும் முதல் பாடல்தான்
கானல் நீரால் தீராத தாகம்
கங்கை நீரால் தீர்ந்ததடி
கால்போன பாதைகள் நான் போனபோது
கைசேர்த்து நீதானே மெய் சேர்த்த மாது
நீங்காத பாரம் என் நெஞ்சோடுதான்
நான் தேடும் சுமைதாங்கி நீயல்லவா
நான் வாடும் நேரம் உன் மார்போடுதான்
நீ என்னைத் தாலாட்டும் தாய் அல்லவா
ஏதோ ஏதோ ஆனந்த ராகம்
உன்னால் தானே உண்டானது
நான் போட்ட பூமாலை மணம் சேர்க்கவில்லை
நீதானே எனக்காக மடல் பூத்த முல்லை
Indha maadhiri situation’laam only KB sir possible. Every situation will not be a normal one as we normally see in films. :wink: A director who has the best musical taste ever in films and conceives best ideas for its situation. Even with mediocre music directors, you can expect the best from them, just because of KB and his unique situations. Not just the tunes, the lyrics in all his film songs are exemplary and is a perfect match to the situation. Everytime time these three works like a magic in all his films. Another unique aspect I observed in some of his films is the way the film starts is exactly the way it ends, like a musical Coda. It will start in a happy/normal fashion, will have some confusions/losses in between which will alter the happy mood, which will be sorted out towards the end and the film will end the way it started. Some examples; Puthu Puthu ArthangaL, Aval Oru Thodarkathai, Manathil Urudhi VEndhum, Sindhu Bhairavi, Aboorva RaagangaL, Bhama Vijayam, Server Sundaram and few more.
nanRi, V_Sji!
We got shocked simply by hearing that news!Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
However, just imagine the condition of his wife - who lazily woke up in the morning to shake her husband 'hey, wake up, it's getting late' :shock:
ennamO "low BP"-yAmAm, what a silent killer :-(
V_Sji,
I often struggle with the plagiarism issue raised for this number ('sO gayA' of tEzAb that came a year earlier)...why why why?
I can't imagine the situation of your friend's wife. God is cruel sometimes.
This song not even has an inch of plagiarism. People tend to put 'plagiarism' brand for any song, just by the first line match. A song can be called plagiarism, if it has atleast 50-60% close match (imitation) to the original, IMHO. If a song has only resemblance to the first line of pallavi, I don't know how we can call it that way. For example; this song has close match only in the first pallavi line, after that, right from anu-pallavi it takes entirely different route. And we still have 4-5 minutes of the song left. Does sO gayA closely match to the rest of the song? It is totally different. There are four important aspects we need to see.
1. Some sites say the release date of PPA is Jan-01-1989. Tezaab was released in November 1988. So there is a possibility that IR worked on the song around atleast 3 months before the release of the film, which dates before Tezaab's release (assuming they released tezaab's audio a month before that is in Oct. 1988). If this is true, there is no chance that he heard that song when he was composing for PPA.
2. Even if he had heard, he may want to give an answer to that song (as it was popular) by taking it's first line and conceiving it in his own way to give listeners his version of the song. So it might be intentional too.
3. It may be co-incidental too.
4. If all the above three statements are false, again only the first line of pallavi has that close match, after that there is no relation at all, whatsoever. How this can be called plagiarism?
V_S,
As per the IR-KB rift legend:
- PPA was supposed to be a deepAvaLi release.
- Since IR gave other projects his dates and KB couldn't get his time for BGM, they did some old BGM copy stuff which was the cause for rift.
I don't know which deepAvaLi, was it the 1988 one or 1989 one? :confused:
About the 'only-the-first-line-of-pallavi' thing, there are many hubbers who stick to the view that pallavi melody is the most important part of any film song (catchy, reason for hit etc) :-) While I don't agree to that viewpoint, we got to handle such claims too :oops:
Most of rAsA copies that itwofs lists, that way, are only 1% or less of the song's content.
e.g. kaN malarkaLin azhaippidhazh, look at what they say :
Also, look at darling darling darling :Quote:
Inspired from ABBA's Money money money Just the beginning of the song.
There are people who cite these examples and say 'thuLi visham' kind of thingy :-(Quote:
Inspired from Boney M's number, Sunny Again, just the beginning.
Anyways, just some 'soththakkadalai' feeling to me when someone brings such things up...
very sad, app_eng :(
life is uncertain!
vinatha.
What a great composition from Ilayaraja with SPB!
Raja did showcase his orchestral prowess in this composition.
Listen to the second interlude.
continuous guitar strumming, beautiful violin, second interlude is my favorite- gloomy wind instrument-guitar strumming counterpoint, chorus pattukku paattu for SPB's vocals.
BEAUTIFUL!
there is no vocabulary to express our appreciation about this composition!
music, lyrics, singing, director's situation imagination - joy of present company & the pathos of his marriage disappointment! :thumbsup:
Ever since I knew the song for decades +, my manasu automatically thinks of S.P.B's wife & thank her, app_eng :)
Please don't think as silly.
Over the yrs of listening to him day in & day out, we are emotionally closer to him. We wish him well. God bless his wife for taking care of our legend with love & care so that he can deliver us such beauties, takes care of our emotional needs.:ty:
Very emotional composition for us delivered with such ease by BALA! ONLY Bala possible!
IR and SPB, THE GREATEST LEGENDS EVER WALKED ON THIS PLANET!
Vinatha.
So gaya seems to be more of coincidence - pudhumaappillaikku-naan parthadhile level kooda illai. Few years back airtel theme is copied from "muthu muthu vilakku"-nu oru discussion nadandhadhu - adhula more than 1 phrase similarA irukkum. Permut-Combin-la oru chinna phrase kooda coincide aagadhaa? I don't remember the song but MSV once said about how he went to a hindi movie of SDB and to his shock, the tune of one song was very similar to an upcoming song of his. He swore to God it was a coincidence. It happens and this is what gives fans of lesser MDs to take a potshot at our own trinity and say "unga msvyum veda mAdhiri dhan pOla, Rajavum deva mAdhiri dhan pOla, Rahmanum jayaraj Maadhiri dhaan pola!" in glee. The ordinary is always looking for opps to equate the excellent with themselves...that's human nature.
More trivia App: you know what, your favourite Anand-Milind lifted this very song as "Chandni Raat hai tu mere saat hai" in a salman gaan movie. Since it was Salman Gaan, it is possible SpB sung that one too. Not sure if SPB reported that back to Raja or admonished A-M for that. I amsure faramu will know about the song :)