Agreed Rohit. Nice point. But we have to remember Gita was not a part of original Mahabharat by Vyas. It was an insert at a later stage.
Is anyone going to convince me on the points I raised ?
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Agreed Rohit. Nice point. But we have to remember Gita was not a part of original Mahabharat by Vyas. It was an insert at a later stage.
Is anyone going to convince me on the points I raised ?
No one can convince anyone, pizzalot. One can at best place before you facts, interpretations and theories. Whether you choose to be convinced or not is your call, not any other's.Quote:
Originally Posted by pizzalot
Besides, I am quite positive that none of us have been born for the express purpose of convincing you on the points you have raised! That, I am sure, is not the overachieving destiny of our lives.
Yes. Yes. Yes... I radically agree with Mr. Badri on this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badri
The Scope and Purpose of this Forum is only as a DISCUSSION DAIS ...
...and Neither a Debate-Forum... which no doubt brings out and enlightens the hidden sides...
...but it cannot be the Common-dais for all of various standards of Knowledge on the subject...
...Nor this can be a COURT OF ARGUMENT...where two or more sides indulging... are NOT OPEN-MINDED...
...since have already DECIDED TO DIFFER with other sides of even Valid-points
But only an OPEN-FORUM OF DISCUSSIONS... by Mutual-Exchange of Knowledge and Thoughts... irrespective of one's own personal Principles and Faith.
...Rather a HEALTHY OPPORTUNITY for One and All here.... inviting Open-mindedly ...
... since commonly available to each and every segment of the multifareous hues of the GLOBAL-SOCIETY
... comprising of either the highly knowledged Experts or the Mediocres or even for a totally ignorant...or even a Boy, the School-student.
So all of us must ensure mutual-respect... by not only words but also by the Sense of approach..
..Not trying to exhibit one's own acclaimed versatile Smartness...
...Nor trying to beat out others in a Forum... which is Neither a Race-ground nor a Battlefield.
So I join with Mr. Badri to ASSERT that we are NOT INTERESTED to CONVINCE anyone...
... that they are WRONG to infer or contend different from us...
..Nor INTERESTED TO GET CONVINCED by others... that we are Wrong...
..since we are sure that we have adequate sense of Perception and Introspection too.
Even at my present Senior-citizens age... of last chapter of my Life... I am anxious to learn and learn further and thus add up my knowledge on any and every subject on Earth.... irrespective of my Engineering profession...
...right from my Boyhood...making me go in search of Knowledged Elders, Extraneous Scholars... Books, Seminars and the like... with an OPEN-MIND, Curiosity and Zeal ... extensively...
...because I have learnt one important Truth in Life... ascertained by means of my vast Experience.... that...
... KNOWLEDGE IS STRENGTH / POWER... the most meaningful for Mankind.
...Knowledge is the GREATEST EARNING AND TREASURE.... with PLEASURE
Such a sort of Healthy pursuit in Life... coupled with Kindled Wisdom ...
...and Hearty approach with others... towards gaining added circle of Friends in the Global arena...
... alone can cause and preserve a LIVELY AND WORTHY DISCUSSION. ..
...in this Rare Forum of opportunity of Common interest to all... ensuring Human-oulook towards our Overall benefit.
So let us all conserve here such a HEALTHY SPIRIT only...Nothing beyond.
...
Dear Mr. Sudhaama, happy to know that you are anxious to learn further. So are many of us, I am sure. But is not any discussion futile if none of us are prepared to be convinced. And for anyone to be unconvinced, there are only two possibilities: one, they are stubborn in their views, unprepared to see the possibility of truth in others' arguments and two, the arguments are simply unconvincing. As for pizzalot's questions, there have not been sufficient answers to arrive at the conclusion that he is unprepared to see others' point of view. So, that only leaves the second possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Dear Mr. Kannan,Quote:
Originally Posted by kannannn
Well.. You have a point. But such of your healthy approach... when we do not find in case of anybody we have to REACT DIFFERENTLY.
Please note his NEGATIVE SENSE OF APPROACH conveyed by words....
// "... But we have to remember Gita was not a part of original Mahabharat by Vyas. It was an insert at a later stage.
Is anyone going to convince me on the points I raised ?//
Is it not a PERVERSION?.... A SURMISE?...
He is attacking the RUDIMENTARY TRUTH in this open forum, by which we the Devotees of Faith on Mahabharatha feel HURT.
Even if he says... "I doubt whether Geetha was an subsequent Insertion"... I would have tolerated and tried to CONVINCE HIM putting forth the other side, the valid points.
We don't relish anybody's THRUSTING HIS / HER PERSONAL CONCLUSIONS.
"Well... if it is your Conclusion... very well you can have it so." we will think and keep off the DRY ARGUMENT.
Why should we bother to correct others?.... even if they were wrong?? ... Nobody here is either a Teacher or Student or Acharyas....
...We are just Friends interested in Mutual-Exchange of Thoughts and Knowledge...
...Not even for ARGUMENTS and ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TRUTH OR FACTS ...
And the most important factor is.... this Forum is Not meant for only the two or a few under dispute...
...but for the sake of the whole lot of SILENT VIEWERS mainly.
It is better such Gentlemen like Mr. Pizzalot... study intensively the Books of REAL WORTH ... and then come to a conclusion...
... INSTEAD OF SUCH LOOSE TALK ...OF PERVERTED OUTLOOK...
...on a Great indian Heritage of Global appreciation...
...by the OPEN-MINDED AND UNBIASED SCHOLARS
Even if anybody believes..."There is No God"... we are not interested to Contradict... because it is his personal faith....
We are interested ONLY IN HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS...
...and Not in PROVING the Dubious Veracity and Ill-worth of OTHERS PERSONAL FAITHS AND BELIEFS...
...even if Contrary to ours which is based on WELL-FOUNDED TRUTH justifiable by WISDOM
...
Dear Sudhamma sir,
Can you please write up some info about Sahadeva, amongs the Pandavas and his role in the war, not a lot were mentioned about these two (Nakula/Shahadeva) and their bravery in the war, Mostly Arjuna and Bheema were talked much...
I feel now that this thread is going in different directions :cry:
Earlier we thought of analyzing the day by day account of war & Srivatsan said he will cover it but till now has not started it
Pizzalot's big posts also need to be addressed.
Can someone , probably Moderator Mr. Badri or Mr. Sudhama show us the right direction pls ? :(
Yes please. we are looking forward towards Mr. Srivatsan's presentations on the day to day Battle...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
...on which all of us can have adequate points to discuss.
Then I will take up the subject... totally in a different angle...
...a Schoolboy's approach on high values... towards Human-worth..
...which too can be made quite lively and interesting...
... by means of congregation of several divergent brains on a single task.
...
sudhamma sir,
again and again you are ignoring my request
Mr. Sudhaama, if you had been hurt by his views, you could have said so first. Maybe he could have posed his question differently. My point is, Pizzalot was never given a chance in this discussion. His questions still remain unanswered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
For all we know, a majority of such silent viewers may be waiting for answers to his questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Open-mindedness doesn't jump to the conclusion that an assertive view represents a perverted outlook, just because it doesn't agree with their perspective. And I am interested to know how you came to the conclusion that his views don't constitute a healthy discussion. The sentences in bold surprised me. Does it mean that all views contrary to your own are of 'ill-worth and dubious veracity'? Does it mean that all your views are 'well-founded truth justifiable by wisdom'? There is nothing for us to learn then..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
I am sorry for my outburst, but couldn't help noting that you were offended by the tone of a single post and chose not to answer any of his questions.