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>>I have had the notion of such things being inherent, subconscious, unspoken lessons/edicts, automatically absorbed, embedded in our lives<<
Per your own acknowledgement in the previous post, the above "embedding" does not seem to happen. (You're asking whether humans are behaving as beasts and wondering about the world crumbling down). So, what's your suggestion / methodology to make such "embedding" happen and the world won't crumble down?
By preserving the family concept! Living as married couple, bringing up children, father & mother setting example of womanliness & manliness, the right & wrong, tender love & strict discipline sweetly blended, training the children to respect elders & themselves , nurture in them civic sense, prioritising ability, faithfulness, honesty, unselfish affection, a correct sense of values which are to be devoutly followed. Consideration for others, sharing what must be shared, fairness in desires, demands, compulsory obedience to pursuance/furtherance of the good of the family. The responsibilities of man & woman- man as a chivalrous person, woman as a motherly person- are the pivot of meaningful living within the beautiful, civilised, restrained bounds of marriage. nallathoru kudumbam palkalaikazagam.
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Yes Yes. Very Well-said.Quote:
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I always enjoy reading the beautiful English.. apt-worded deeply MEANINGFUL Expressions... by Ms PP Madam.
Her unique way of handling the matter in the right emulative HUMANITARIAN APPROACH...
...as clearly laid down already by the Advanced Concept of the Global Mankind...
..further strengthened by practical demonstrations...
...more by actions than by words of Literature and Culture of the Traditional India...
..especially the Tamilian-culture spread over the World... is quite impressive.
Just one Unparallel Tamil-Proverb..." YAADHUM OORAE YAAVARUM KAELHIR"
..must alone suffice to fathom the depth of Humane spirit ...
...and the extent of its Widest spread in the Global perspective.!!!
I will be happy and thankful to Ms PP Madam... if she can make it possible...
..to write a Serial Article under the Title:
. Human-Values for the Modern World
..in our monthly Hub Magazine.
It can have the WIDEST REACH...
...as she may prefer her Unique Humanitarian Thoughts...
... and Valuable Social- concept to serve its due purpose EFFECTIVELY.!!!
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>>By preserving the family concept! <<
Fair enough, good idea. Since this process involves millions of people, that too of a wide variety, aren't some minimum principles needed as standards? My previous post was as to who is qualified to give these principles (again on what basis) and also has the power to make sure they are followed?
If they are not relevant now, then why are we discussing failed marriages and out-of-marriage relationships?Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
By blaming the wrong sources ??????Quote:
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We can pretend that Indian society did not do know abt 'slavery' and treated all human beings as equal or should I rephrase that to 'all men as equals'Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Hmm domestic administration... equality within boundaries? Was that the concept of Bharathi's puthumai peN ?Quote:
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Creches and Old age homes are failure of our society's flexibility as a whole and not because women are liberated. Better maternity leave options and flexibility at work place to accommodate family can be a start.
To quantize with an example, if a women starts working in a man only office, the management must make sure that there is a ladies restroom. And this accomodation should spread to other areas including maternity leave.
Self-restraint men are heroes, but self-restraint women are way of life. Talk about equality !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Good questions Are we looking in the right direction for these answers.Quote:
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:ty: Sudhamma! I am overwhelmed by your compliments. Since I am reiterating my beliefs in all my writings I feel no necessity to start a separate serial for them. Having already earned the nickname of avvayaar in Hub I have no intention of sounding didactic with more harangues!!!
app_engine, as for your persistent question about who is responsible for laying down principles - it is a combined effort: like charity it begins at home, to be inculcated by parents, elders; by society, in its codes of behaviour, judiciously adapted as the times change; by government, by regulating marriage laws & associated concepts, by not giving legal status to 'living together', 'homosexual marriages', stringent rules against adultery, untenable reasons for divorce, more strict enforcement of female infanticide/foeticide laws, dowry control, domestic violence, censorship of unhealthy relationship portrayals, obscenities in MEDIA etc.
dsath, we are going nowhere quoting outdated stories; let us take good samples of conduct in old literature & ignore extinct customs. My personal opinion is woman's place is home, her forte is homemaking, why should she strain beyond her realm? As for your grievance about difference about what self-restraint is for men & women I can only say it is a simple truth that both are 2 different species endowed with different traits, entrusted with different responsibilities, expected different capabilities from, automatically different yardsticks for assessment of results!!! This 'equality' is a much maligned, misunderstood term. Both of us have understood Bharathi's character of puthumai peN differently? :wink: :huh:
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I wish you reconsider the TRUE SENSE and high difference between your present form of delivery to the needy...Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
..and that I suggest you to have a NEW DOORWAY.!!
If anybody has nicknamed you as Avvaiyar... I don't find anything wrong in it.
In fact... in a good spirit.. I say... You DESERVE it. Yes.
Avvaiyar is Saraswathi Awathara.. the Greatest pride and privelege of Tamilians.
She was NOT AN OLD LADY... although appeared so... as she preferred to have...
...by the Grace of her Ishta-Deywam Vinayaka.
She was an undisputable leader in every and all respects.
So all these pride and attributes go to you too.!...
... Yes. It means so.!!!
..Nothing to feel ridiculed or mocked at or decried.!!!
I would suggest you.. to feel free and bold to go ahead on what you feel right for Yourselves...
..irrespective of others Comments.
Vaazhndhaalam Yaesum.. Thaazhndhaalum Yaesum..
...Vaiyaham Idhu thaanamma.!!!
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In fact... in a good spirit.. I say... You DESERVE it. Yes.
Avvaiyar is Saraswathi Awathara.. the Greatest pride and privelege of Tamilians.
PP maam, Though a couple of times i ve been kinda confronting on talks(yaarum madhichadhilla :P ;-) :lol:) .... i ve always relished and stood gaping with amazement at your knowledge and the way you deliver......
:clap: you are good guide and an inspiration :-) :clap: again !!!!
Thanks for this Sudhaamaa ji ..... :-)
:clap: Excellent PP ma'am. As you have rightly said, the human values are to be felt, not framed as commandments.Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam