FSG, gives different dating in the morning and another next day nd another the other day and even different datings same day in various Postings.
TholKappiyam Payiram by PanamParanar says:
.... Nilamtharu Thiruvin Pandiyan Avaiyathu
Arangarai Navin NANMARAI Murriya
Athankottu Asarku Ariltaba Therindu
Manka Marabin Eluthumurai katti
Malkunir Varaippin IYINTHIRAM Niraintha
THOLKAPPIYAN Enath than peyar Thorrip
Palpugal Niruththa Padimaiyone
and Tholkappiyar refers Maraiyor, Parpanar, AruvagaiPatta Parpanar etc., and all these have been analysed in depth by various Scholars and finally it was confirmed that Tholkappiyar' reference to "MARAI" and Anthanar etc., refers to Indian +Vedic Tradition i.e., Indic Tradition. Tholkappiyar being from Kappiar Kudi- a family giving Hari-katha Kalatshebams are the Tamil Tradtions for last 2 Millenium.
FSG plays with Dating of Literature, either for Sanskrit or Tamil- now entire Sangam is put as belonging to 200 CE, why because of his Bluff Vedas were written in Ist Century, All viewers must be sick of is Postings, where in FSG said Ist cen and later 2nd Century and later 400CE, and now to Ist Century CE. I donot normally use these harsh words- Rubbish.
When Dravidian Bluff Anti-SANSKRIT Scholars had made a Cartel of Tamil Literary Gruoups and interpreting Sangam Literature and others falsely, Universities went on to properly research the Scripture with other materials and brought the truths, and thus
PAVANAR Had to agree- Tholkappiyam to all Tamil Literature reference are Sanskrit Vedas and Brahmins means the same.
AND After 40 years still these Lies restarts whether due to ignorance of researches are another attempt of fraud.
Whereas Use of Sanskrit words are common in Paripadal, Thirumurugarrupadai, Silapatikaram, Manimekhalai, Tirukural etc., And Even while Aryan belief was at top, Renowned Tamil Scholar L.Rasamanickanar wrote- " VadaMozhivanar Siru Siru
Thogaiyinaraka TAmilagathil Kudiyerinar. Avargal Panpatta Mozhiyudanum Vetham Muthalia Noolkaludanum Sirantha Arivudanum Innattil Pugunthamaiyal, Innattu Makkal Avargalai Mathikkalayinar....... IkKootooraval THOLKAPPiyarukku MURPATTA Sangha Kalathileye Vadasorkal Kalakkath Thodangina. Page-6 Tamilaga VAralaru.
A Literature to spread in its own Language it takes several Generations even in 2nd, Millenium and the Sanskrit Vedas to get into Tamil Sangam extensively means itself- Vedas are Older by 1000 Years before that, i.e., 1000BCE.
For General Viewers I EXPLAIN- with example Muslim Rulers from North came to South in early 13th Century, and we find many Urdu & Hindustani words such as Kajana, Sokkai, Mamul, Salam etc., in ArunagiriNadar and Kumaragurubarar, i.e., 300 years after they came, few words started coming in.For Bible Translation Church took again more than 250 yearswith its vast resources and Government Supports.
FSG, first Used Aryan-Brahmin-Anthanar are different frauds, and when I Quoted Ambedkar and other Authorities he changed Track, to Priests-Archakas must be from Non-Brahmins and that would solve all Problems. His, rather Tamil Scholars with a Particular Bias, spreading Lies have the main Bias, that Brahmins made new
Language, Can they show a single Literary example from our Indian/Tamil Literature, All these were Dubious Speculations spread after Fradulant reading of Indus-Saraswathi Archealogy by Western Scholars of repute as clearly proving ARYAN-Invasion, and quiet a long list of books appeared, most of which forms the Bible
for FSG. Can History prove such a claim? Jainistic Rulers were in control from 200-500 Period, and if these Fables by FSG had happened, all would have come.
Existance of Various Languages in India is confirmed by PATHIRRUPATTU-SONG
Kadavul Nilai iya Kallongu Neduvarai
VadaThisai Ellai Himayamaga
Thennang Kumariyodayidai Arasar
Murasudai Perun SAmaiyathathiya Var Pela
SOL Pala Nattai Tholkavin Azhitha
Poradu thanai Polanthar Kuttuvan- Pathiru 43:6-11
Pulavar Paranar , that there were many languages in between is confirmed.
STONE Inscriptions of 150BCE, contains Telugu and Kannada words, but the earliest Literature comes from 1000years later. No Language in the world got its Literature atleast 1000 years of its Spoken Use in Day to Day activities, But when Grammatical correctness is insisted the Language looses to its Branches(You can speak in Prakrit/Pali -Marati etc., as you like but if Sanskrit means Perfect Grammatically correct, or else PRison type of Punishments were there) and best example is Latin, inspite of being the Language of Romans it was Lost and its branches lives.
No Linguist in the World accept that any Language can be artificially made, and if These are repeated by Tamil Scholars, they would be looked as Kidding with Childish Blabberings.
Your method of Splitting words is not Linguistic Science and You confirmed it,when I as You did to the English Word- Computer as KANITHAL+ Puguthal+ Tharavu= COMPUTER Perfect Tamil word, and You correctly confirmed that the method is wrong, and you do the same with Sanskrit words.
One of the Earliest Evidence for Vedas is from Persian Cuniform Tablet found in Egypt, EL-Amarna, which tells names of God Mithra, Varuna, Indra etc of Vedic origin correctly, now dated around 1700 BCE, Oxford Dictionary of World Religions dated Vedas to 1800 BCE, but on more rational approach giving atleast 300 years for spreading 2000 TO 600BCE is given for Vedas, by Entire Western Universities, which for common man can be verified from Wikipedia.com. Indic Culture existence is proved by Archealogy and Literature from Kumari- to Kashmir, Assam to Goa, but neglecting and coming in self inflicted False circles by few Tamil Groups is giving Lot of Bad name to Tamil.
Stone Inscrptions- Sanskrit is hardly used and this is Exploited by Tamil Scholars, But Stone Inscriptions, except for very few MeiKeerthis of Kings which refers to his winning mentioning neighbouring Kings Etc., has any Historical worth, mostly mentioning some small Donations to Temple etc., and it is normal that the Person giving writes in Popular Dialect.
As for as MANUSCRIPTS- All Tamil Stone Inscriptions are in Asoka Brahmi- mostly brought by Jain Muni's. who were using it for their North Indian Language -Prakrit a corrupt spoken form of Sanskrit, and used it for their newly learned Tamil. Asoka Brahmi is the next edition After GUPTA Brahmi, which both are developments from Karoshti,and SANSKRIT MANUSCRIPTS-Known as BOWER Manuscript, Gilgit Manuscript dated to Pre-Common Era-(BCE) have been found and are preserved in European Universities after Perfect Carbon-14 Dating. They are clear Sanskrit MAnuscripts.
Contacts Between Indic Tradition and Greek are well attested , GREEK Philosophy and Mathematics starts with PITHOGORUS- And Historically he has spent 8 full years in India, Alexander after his war with Purushotham took many- Astronomers and Mathematician and Philosophers are all attested by History. Megastanis writings and others confirm the Gramatician Panini's dating to 5th Cen BCE.
FSG was Bluffing, that Tamil Sangam AND Tirukural Manuscripts of BCE period Carbon Tested are available and on my Quarries, he said that they are in SARASWATHI Mahal Library-Tanjavore, and FSG Further Bluffed that Sanskrit manuscripts are also Carbon Dated to 2nd Century CE.
Friends, SARASWATHI MAHal Library has More Sanskrit Manuscripts than any other Language- Oldest being 16th Century, and Tamil are from 18th Century only,To my Quarry FSG maintained that Carbon dating done in 19th Century, Only in middile of 20th Century, Reliable Carbon14 dating started. And SARASWATHI Mahal Website doesnot know any of FSG Bluffs.
- www.saraswathimahallibary.tn.nic.in/library/department/body-manuscripts.htm
Idiyappam, to my putting Vedas to 2000to600BCE,- wrote Rig Vedas was written in 600 BCE, FSG tells New FABLES every time.
Idiyappam, now then changed Rig to 400CE, at the instance of FSG, Shaving nearly 1000 years within 45 days time, now confirms
his dating 600BCE.
FSG Dates Tholkappiyam to 1500 earlier and now to 1250BCE, how and where he got this dating, No body Knows. Many Researches have been done on Tholkappiyam and PAVANAR who dated it to 2000BCE, brought it down to 700BCE, for both no proof is given.
The Book "Tamil Ilakkiya Varalaru"-By Professors S.Somasundaram and V.T.Gopala Krishnan- gives information and quotes from the book written by Former ViceChancellor of Madurai University-THO.PA.Minakshisundaranar's book-Samanat Tamil Varalaru-" Panamparanar Kappiyarai "Palpugal niruta Padimaiyon enbathalum Viyirkalai Arivu Nilai Patri Avar Aru aga VAAGUTHU IRUPATHALUM, Tami Nedunkanakinai Agara Mudalaka Na-kara Iraka Amaithu Iruppathalum, Mathirain Ilakanathai SamayaNool Muraipad Vilakuvathalum, Tamarai, Vellam, Ambal endra Per Engalai SAMANAR Muraipadiye Eduthu Ilakkanam Vithithu Iruppathala Karuthuvathalum, Veru Pala Karanangalalum
TholKappiyarai Samanar endru Kooruvar Annar. -Page 47.
We have EluthuAthikaram in Tholkappiyar and Archeologists and Historians have found it perfectly suiting the Asoka Brahmi brought in by North Samana Muni's that too after some development- i.e., 150-200BCE. I know certain Hardline groups spreading Kumari Kandam Legends even today dates Tholkappiyar to 5000 BCE.
FSG, said You have given from SANGAM LITERATURE-i.e, from 2OOCE, friends Sangam Literature, is has many references to Mauryan wars of 4th-3rd Cen BCE, and Sangam Tamil King going for Mahabaratha War- now Archeologically Dated to 1,500 BCE is referred. KaveriPoompattinam Port remains are Carbon14 dated to 250BCE to 150 CE, now Because FSG Bluffing needs substantiated, FSG BAckstabs Sangam Literature Dating. History is not one to change 4th Century CE yesterday, Ist Cen-CE today, again 400CE and again 10OCE, like that, these do not make any good to Tamil.
Then Other Bluffs, Panini is not For Sanskrit, Buddism and Samanam is not Reformation against Vedas,but against Rituals, Every Rituals are Traced back to Vedas. 2oth Century Scholars of Particular School, wrote anything and never bothered about facts.
All these are analysed and Proved as Meanless Utterances, and this method is continued
by Church for Claiming Thomas Visits- Acta Indica by P.V.Matthew, which in its original Malayalam awarded best Historical Book by Kerala Historical ASsociation- Quotes " There were NO- Hindus in Kerala in Ist Cen CE, only Buddhists and Jains. He Quotes Manimekhalai verse from Malayalam Translation as Jews WAandering in Puhar Streets, and I do not find them in Tamil verses. Matthew takes the SaivaVathi's saying Isan en Theivam as Essenes from Israel, by manupulating Words, by Ignoring SAivavathi- probably thinking the word was Inserted by Malayalam Translators. However Professor Joseph Kolangaden of St.JosephCollege Trichy, repeats eventhough He has published Tamil Books. P.V.Matthew and Joseph Kolangaden goes on to say-MADURAI KOOLAVANIGAN SATANAR is BARDAISAN,from Syria- Page-82. P.V.Matthew says Koolavanigan Sattanar and Seethalai Sattanar are different, and This Seethalai attanar,author of Manimekalai is Manes- the founder of Manichean Religion- a Cross Between Zorashtirsm, Buddhism and Christianity. Page144., and Matthew even says this Syrian as Aryabatta.
Anti-truth Tamil Scholars doing it to Sanskrit and Church using these same quotes and doing this to Tamil.
Malayalam Ramban Pattu of Thomas Legends dated to 16th Century, tells Thomas Left Kerala and came to Land of Tamils, meaning Kerala had non-tamils in 50CE, God Save US.
Pavanar was reknowned for his Knowledge on Tamil and Sanskrit as Encyclopedia on this Subject, and recently when a Megazine on a Book Review- said Tholkappiyar as Brahmin from the book,
immediately Kalaignar Karunanidhi resented in Murosoli, But when the Author wrote back saying Pavanar Consistently mentioned this, no Protest and ACcepted, But FSG said Pavanar is not a
Historian but Grammatician, When Pavanar interprets Vadasol and other sayings in Tolkappiyam he is not a Historian, but as Tamil Scholar cum Grammatician.
I Was put under an Un-enviable position, to talk Truths, but against the Falses spread by Motivated Tendentious Groups, that too against Tamil- and I had to go to Historical reasons for the Anti-Sanskrit and Anti-Tamil Natives The Brahmins, the Missionary Probaganda. Missionaries followed by most of the Scholars quoted by You , Uses Used such an Contempt Language, Animosity and Hatred of the worst Order. I could trace these Un-parliamentory statements in your and Idiyappam Postings. None of these are backed by any Literary supports, from Sangam to 19th Cen writings. They are Exaggerated statements Untrue in Historical details witha view to Painting the Brahmins, the earliest Tamils, in Blackest Possible Picture.
If Brahmins claim that they are only authors of Vedas, it is wrong, certainly every section of Indians has role in it. But Bakdating it, are Painting it Black are not based on Facts. Maxmuller was appointed to do it, and he could not prove Polytheism in Vedas, but coined new theory "Hynotheism", but could not back date Vedas to later than 1300BCE, which at that time was given the date for Moses of Christian Old Testament. Now Old Testament Law is dated to 350-250BCE, whereas more and more Evidence have taken Vedas to 2000BCE.
Aryan Theory started with LAtin and Greek becoming Sub-ordinate to Sanskrit, which had much superior Grammer and Literature, claiming such cannot be by Indians.
So Please Do not Back date Tamil SAngam Literature, because you want your False assumptions require it.
Interpreting of Tamil Literature by FSG And Idiyappam itself is wrong- ThenPulathar, is changed to Political Mourning for Legendary KumariKandam, Friends Thiruvalluvar did not use Tamil or for Tamilar any where and it is for Humanity and hence he used ThenPulathar refers to Pithrukal and I have also given Puram and Silapathikaram references.
So to make Your Hypothesis, do not change 2000 year old Literature with false Interpretations.
Archakas- The Social situation in Tamilnadu, Caste system in Tamilnadu has gone worse in last century than ever before. CM
C.N.AnnaDurai Mudaliar in 1967 first formed ministry with just 8 ministers, with 40% from his own caste, without representing any of the Mukkulators, Now no CM can think of leaving any subcastes.
90% Of the Temples are small Mariyamman and Pillayar Temples and they have non-Brahmins as Priest and all visit them.
The ewquirement is the Mindset against the Truths, fradulanat AntiBrahmin-AntiSanskrit fealings without any literary support
need to go first, certainly I Support reforms, but it has to be total, within the Constitutional limits.
Let us be Proud of Our India, as Thirumular said, its God who teached both Ariyam and Tamil and Vaishnavites tell the same.
False Assumptions are to thrown.
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