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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Rohit,
If you want to disprove /prove a system, you MUST learn the system and only then, try and disprove it. No fun in taking digs at any system without knowing it.
Thanks for your future non interference.Nichiro

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Dear Nichiro,

I have described the situation on the basis of scientific data and scientific methodology; and I know both well enough to disprove what I have disproved about your belief system and I have also raised the most enigmatic question, not only for you, but for all of us, that need answering under your belief system. Now if you care to answer any of that within the framework of science, using scientific methodology, I would definitely welcome that. Please goahead
:) :thumbsup:

Rohit,

Scientific data you posted is astronomical and not astrological. First learn astrology to disprove it.
No more discussions till you learn astrology.

Nichiro

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Rohit,
Scientific data you posted is astronomical and not astrological.

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Definitions:
Astronomy: Science dealing with the origin, evolution, composition, distance, and motion of all bodies and scattered matter in the universe.

Astrology: The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they influence on human destinies. (The question I raised is relevant in the context of this belief)

From the above definitions of the two, only astronomy is recognised as science when astrology as a mere belief system.

Which means only one thing, all astrological claims are absolutely non-scientific

:) :thumbsup:

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Dear Mr Rohit.. ENOUGH! Your UNDUE DIVERSION

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Originally Posted by Rohit

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Rohit,
Scientific data you posted is astronomical and not astrological.

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Definitions:
Astronomy: Science dealing with the origin, evolution, composition, distance, and motion of all bodies and scattered matter in the universe.

Astrology: The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they influence on human destinies. (The question I raised is relevant in the context of this belief, which is proven to be non-scientific)

From the above definitions of the two, only astronomy is recognised as science when astrology as a mere belief system.

Which means only one thing, all astrological claims are absolutely non-scientific

:) :thumbsup:

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Dear Mr. Nichiro,

Only because you are replying to his points on a different direction.. he is able to continue his FORCEFUL THRUST of his Self-centred WRONG-NOTIONS and Biased Inferences.. on us...

...without his studying the worthy Books on Astrology...

...which convincingly answer all his logical Questions on this Divine-Science.

Dear Mr Rohit,

In spite of your assurance to allow us to continue our discussions...

...from where we had to leave abruptly, You are persistently DRAGGING US TOWARDS a different direction ... unsought for.

Especially towards the Basics and Elementary studies of its Alphabets...which is totally a different approach, for which we all have suggested to open another Thread... with an apt heading and run it parallelly, if and as you want.

Have you determined to break our discussions... and KILL OUR ENTHUSIASM?

I request you...PLEASE DISCONTINUE Your FURTHER DISCUSSIONS on your diverted thoughts... in this Thread...

...which you can take up in a new thread as you would like.

Let us continue here... as we are in the course of serious discussion.
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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

...from where we had to leave abruptly, You are persistently DRAGGING US TOWARDS a different direction ... unsought for.

Especially towards the Basics and Elementary studies of its Alphabets...which is totally a different approach, for which we all have suggested to open another Thread... with an apt heading and run it parallelly, if and as you want....

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Dear Sudhaama, if this is what it is all about; then please, I repeat..... please ……don't call it science (the very base of which is refutability) and unnecessarily befoul the very meaning of natural science, as acknowledged universally, with some baseless, self-centred and false notions of everything.

Dear sudhaama sir,

Let us continue our discussion inspite of discussions which may lead us away. I , WOULD HENCEFORTH BE ,IGNORING INTURRUPTIONS..

Iam not going to discuss Lord Rama's chart as it is much chewed bone .

I have posted charts and birth details of a lot of people which corroborate the statement I made about BHAVA NASHA KARO JEEVA....Etc.

I would like to hear your views about the same.

Nichiro

Dear Nichiro, Selvakumar and Sudhaama,

Incidentally I read some of your posts and I simply couldn't resist expressing my views, which I hoped you would be well prepared to handle, but obviously it clashed with your convictions due to mutual incompatibility of our views. I do apologise if my posts have, in anyway, distracted you from your convictions. Please resume your discussion. :)

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GURU (Jupiter).. Life-maker.. 2nd Most IMPORTANT

Dear Mr. Nichiro,

Since you have specifically asked me, I have to reply.

KARAKATHWA.

Since you have shown more interest on Karakathwa of planets, I take up that factor primarily.

Every planet has a "Karakathwa"(Bound-Commitment) we all know. For example... Soorya is the ATHMA-KARAKA... while Chandra is the Manas-Karaka.

Then what is the Karakathwam for Guru, the Jupiter.?

Amongst all the Planets, Sun(Soorya) is the Ruler-planet over all others... while Jupiter (Guru) is the Guru (Teacher / Counsellor / Guide).

Thus Guru is the Second-important one... next to Soorya... amongst all the planets.

Not only for the other Planets... but also for any Horoscope. Why? and How?

While Soorya is called ...ATHMA-KARAKA(Soul-protector)...or... JAYA-KARAKA (Success-Giver)...

Guru is called DHARMA-KARAKA(Protector of Righteousness) or BHAGYA-KARAKA (Protector of Luck)

That is why, the General-formulae... of Karaka Bhava-Nasthi... does not apply in case of Guru at the 9th House, BHAGYA-STHANAM... In fact it is contrary here... being his best position showering maximum luck... / neutralising / compensating / reducing / nullifying all the deficiencies and defects if any so caused by other planets.

Athma is the hidden Soul-power for everybody... which fetches the God's grace for a Meaningful life...leading to SUCCESS.

...while Bhagya is...Luck called ADHRISHTA... meaning the UNSEEN POWER'S FAVOUR... So to say God's Benign grace for LIFE-PLEASURE... including all sorts of Wealth.... Mundane and Post-life.

In brief... Sun fetches Success... while Guru fetches Luck... as per their locations in a Horoscope.

So any amount of SUBHA-YOGAS by all other Planets will become futile... if Soorya and Guru are not well-placed in any Horoscope.

Contrarily any amount of AVA-YOGAS (Ill-Luck) from all other Planets can be UNDONE...if Guru and Soorya are well-placed... applicable to any Horoscope

Since as per Reality in Life... Success and Luck(God's favour) are the most important and BASIC-NEEDS

... which are bestowed by Soorya (SUN) and Guru (Jupiter)... respectively... for a WORTHY LIFE.
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Dear Sudhaama Sir,

My posting which you feel has offended you has appeared in another vedic astrology group . I just posted the same here.
I see that it has been removed.
Actually it was in response to a debate in that group.

If it is offensive to you then sorry.
I cannot undo what has already appeared before.

I wanted your opinion on charts posted by me.
What you have posted about Guru is totally unacceptable by me.

Guru is a parasite for any house.

Unless my posting is re instated, I will not participate further.

Tatvam-Asi

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

My posting which you feel has offended you has appeared in another vedic astrology group . I just posted the same here.
I see that it has been removed.
Actually it was in response to a debate in that group.

If it is offensive to you then sorry.
I cannot undo what has already appeared before.

I wanted your opinion on charts posted by me.
What you have posted about Guru is totally unacceptable by me.

Guru is a parasite for any house.

Unless my posting is re instated, I will not participate further.

Tatvam-Asi

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Dear Mr. Nichiro,

No Posting of your have been removed. So the Question of Re- instatement does not arise.

In the contemporary Society, there are some communal-fanatics, purposively dragging the caste-factor in any and every subject...just to show their hatred towards a section of the Society. So they concoct the meanings of even the Vedas and twist to their own convenience just to carry on a vicious-propoganda and thrust their personal venomous thoughts on others. Should we support their narrow-minded outlook? we, including you and I are broad-minded and Large-hearted enough to look and percivethe true colours and Rich values of our Heritage... one of which is the IMMACULATE ASTROLOGY. Is it Not?

Simply because somebody else has stated his own self-centred inferences and Wrong Notions, we need not copy nor follow them. We must accept what we are convinced as genuine. Is it Not.?

So I reiterate my request. Please Delete the Caste-related wordings in your earlier osting.

Guru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to its Negative-effect on other houses.. as I have learnt from Books, Experts as well as by practical observation too. If you differ with me on that point...well, it interests me to know that other side Please detail your views. Then I will put forth mine in detail.

This factor, I had to raise up now... in connection with your earlier statements.. generalising for all houses... where I differ. On completion of our discussions on this factor, I want to take up the cases you have quoted... and put forth my reply later.

So let us complete your first point now....Guru in 9th and 7th too is a PARASITE?...

I say No....But I am anxious to hear your repudiative points. Please put forth.
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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

My posting which you feel has offended you has appeared in another vedic astrology group . I just posted the same here.
I see that it has been removed.
Actually it was in response to a debate in that group.

If it is offensive to you then sorry.
I cannot undo what has already appeared before.

I wanted your opinion on charts posted by me.
What you have posted about Guru is totally unacceptable by me.

Guru is a parasite for any house.

Unless my posting is re instated, I will not participate further.

Tatvam-Asi

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Dear Mr. Nichiro,

No Posting of yours have been removed so far, as alleged.. So the Question of Re- instatement does not arise.

In the contemporary Society, you and I know... there are some communal-fanatics, purposively dragging the caste-factor in any and every subject...just to show their hatred towards a section of the Society. So they concoct the meanings of even the Vedas and twist to their own convenience just to carry on a vicious-propoganda and thrust their personal venomous thoughts on others. Should we support their narrow-minded outlook?

We, including you and I are broad-minded and Large-hearted enough to look and perceive the True colours and Rich values of our Heritage... one of which is the IMMACULATE ASTROLOGY. Is it Not?

Simply because somebody else has stated his own self-centred inferences and Wrong Notions, we need not copy nor follow them. We must accept what we are convinced as genuine. Is it Not.?

So I reiterate my request. Please Delete the Caste-related wordings in your earlier posting.

Guru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to its Negative-effect by location in other houses.. as I have learnt from Books, Experts as well as by practical observation too.

If you differ with me on that point...well, it interests me to know that other side Please detail your views. Then I will put forth mine in detail.

This factor, I had to raise up now, initially... in connection with your earlier statements.. generalising for all houses... where I differ. On completion of our discussions on this factor, I want to take up the cases you have quoted... and put forth my reply later.

Unless we both are clear on this main factor of "Overall-Parasite in any and every house" ... we will not be able to proceed further, especially on the cases you have asked for my comment.

So let us complete your first point now....Guru in 9th and 7th too is a PARASITE?.

I say No....But I am anxious to hear your repudiatory points. Please put forth.
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Guru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to its Negative-effect by location in other houses.. as I have learnt from Books, Experts as well as by practical observation too.

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Sudhamma,
I have seen GURU in the 7th house in Rajinikanth's horoscope. Lagna is Leo.
Guru - 5th house and 8th house lord.
I think we know very well about how RK's marriage life was :D
Yes.. Practically I havenot seen much negative effect for people who have GURU in the 7th house and 9th house.

But if we have to look as per the rules, I think NIchiro too has a point. I think it depends on lot of factors as you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Rohit

Dear Nichiro, Selvakumar and Sudhaama,

Incidentally I read some of your posts and I simply couldn't resist expressing my views, which I hoped you would be well prepared to handle, but obviously it clashed with your convictions due to mutual incompatibility of our views. I do apologise if my posts have, in anyway, distracted you from your convictions. Please resume your discussion. :)

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Very Many Thanks Mr Rohit.

I know you are a Gentleman of high Intellect. Because I have read with much interest... your several postings under various Threads here.

That is why I am giving you the due regards..

Your Question ... whether Astrology is qualified to be named as a Segment of Science or Not... is Quite a Valid and Wise one.

And our intention was not to discourage you. But only to let you know that we have already progressed far ahead of such an Elementary stage and Fundamental factor, which we have already dealt with long back at the initial stage under this Thread itself..

...and it will not be proper to reopen and revert back to that Alphabetical stage ...

... INTERRUPTING in between the Advanced-stage Topic discussions.. by all others

Nothing beyond. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

Sorry to disappoint you.

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Dear Sudhaama, you have not only disappointed me by not being able to respond to my posts well, but you have also shown how you have passed-over all the 'broad-minded' and 'large-hearted' outlooks you have been trying to project all these times. While passing the following 'broad-minded' and 'large-hearted' remarks, strangely, you altogether forgot to mention the names of people you were actually referring to in your following unqualified and opinionated remarks.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

We, including you and I are broad-minded and Large-hearted enough to look and perceive the True colours and Rich values of our Heritage... one of which is the IMMACULATE ASTROLOGY. Is it Not?

Simply because somebody else has stated his own self-centred inferences and Wrong Notions, we need not copy nor follow them. We must accept what we are convinced as genuine. Is it Not.?

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If you really feel too mortified to identify those whom you badly wanted to refer to in your above remarks, irrespective of whoever they are, and if you really did not mean to be so 'narrow-minded' and 'shrunk-hearted', I would strongly suggest you to withdraw your unqualified and opinionated remarks. Also do the needful to demonstrate some civility that is now already due; and thereafter, if you can, please refrain from making such egocentric and irrational remarks on anyone, irrespective of whoever they are, simply because you feel empty of the specific answers. Thank you! :)

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

..... While passing the following 'broad-minded' and 'large-hearted' remarks, strangely, you altogether forgot to mention the names of people you were actually referring to in your following unqualified and opinionated remarks.//

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

We, including you and I are broad-minded and Large-hearted enough to look and perceive the True colours and Rich values of our Heritage... one of which is the IMMACULATE ASTROLOGY. Is it Not?

Simply because somebody else has stated his own self-centred inferences and Wrong Notions, we need not copy nor follow them. We must accept what we are convinced as genuine. Is it Not.?

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If you really feel too mortified to identify those whom you badly wanted to refer to in your above remarks, irrespective of whoever they are, and if you really did not mean to be so 'narrow-minded' and 'shrunk-hearted', I would strongly suggest you to withdraw your unqualified and opinionated remarks. Also do the needful to demonstrate some civility that is now already due; and thereafter, if you can, please refrain from making such egocentric and irrational remarks on anyone, irrespective of whoever they are, simply because you feel empty of the specific answers. Thank you! :)

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Dear Mr Rohit,

All these have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU...but in response to Mr Nichiro's last posting mentioning about the planet Guru linking with a Narrow-minded Communal factor... which I do not relish... as much as any healthy hearted person.

With a Friendly-spirit of reciprocation after noting your high-spirited wind-up, I responded to your Gentlemanly gesture of apology...

...I too expressed Sorry... To END UP the matter. I could have kept silent

But... Why I expressed my RECIPROCAL-SPIRIT of Gentlemanly thoughts? Please think over.

Have I not appreciated you for your HIGH CALIBRE GESTURE and remarkable INTELLECT?.

Whereas in spite of my AFFECTIONATE WORDS... I am surprised to note Your SHOCKING BLOWS on me.l

Dear Friend, I am not such a Cheap person to make Sarcastic remarks aiming at someone indirectly.. I hate such a sickly approach.

Rather I am very careful in NOT HURTING ANYBODY.. by any means.

So please please and please DON'T ASSUME AND FEEL HURT. I will not at all be happy to see others hurt because of me...

I never Intend Nor mean such Sickly thoughts.. Never.

..Especially with you...A NICE GENTLEMAN..!!!
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Dear Sri Sudhaama ,

I had written (four years back) the article on Guru during my research on Rahu) the comments about which you have raised objections.
What have I written??

"So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain"

can you tell me what is so bad about the above line??
Honestly I fail to understand. I too , am a Brahmin and I do not see anything objectionable in the above line.

Nichiro

:( come on guys ! This thread is going towards some other direction :cry:
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Dear Rohit,
Thanks for the refreshing and gently placed counter arguments. As usual we can't get any answer to the logical questions...

I am seeing you after long time. After you and geno nearly left this arena, I had lost the interest to visit this forum. Please come to this forum very often and write logical and rational thoughts.

This highly superstitious thread need lot of alternative posts with more scientific explanation.

Dear Rohit, r-kk etc,

I bow to you people in submission and request you to leave us alone to discuss our irrational and un scientific theories in this thread.
If you want , please open another rationality thread and do your discussions there.

I hope you would heed to my request.

Nichiro

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Dear Rohit, r-kk etc,

I bow to you people in submission and request you to leave us alone to discuss our irrational and un scientific theories in this thread.
If you want , please open another rationality thread and do your discussions there.

I hope you would heed to my request.

Nichiro

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Yes... Well-said...

Dear Nichiro,

Sorry.. Due to the Technical-difficulties in our Hub-access... I am unable to post in the speed...and promptnness, I want to reply.

I hope to reply to you tomorrow... if the access improves.

Our Critics have to keep in mind that this is NOT A GENERAL THREAD ON ASTROLOGY ... enabling the Opponents and Critics to raise any General or Fundamental Question on Astrology.

This Thread pertains to only one aspect on Astrology... as specified in the Heading.

While WE HIGHLY BELIEVE ASTROLOGY as a Life- Guidance.. and we are anxious to discuss amongst the like-minded dignitaries..

...I request such of those Friends... Non-believers of this Great Vedic- Science ...

. to be kind enough NOT TO INTERRUPT in the course of our serious discusions.... anymore.

If they are really interested to get the due Answers for their Typical Questions on Astrology... Well, they can very well open any number of New Threads with the Titles of their own choice and raise Questions there ...

... INSTEAD OF UNNECESSARILY INTERFERING IN OUR WAY... whatever be their evaluation on this Unparallel Life-Science....

... May be Astrology a HUMBUG or an UNWORTHY MADNESS as per their perception.

Whatever name others may ascribe.. we are quite Happy with Astrology!

...based on our Open-minded Understanding and PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

Let this be OUR LAST REPLY to our Interruptor-Friends.
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Originally Posted by r_kk

Dear Rohit,
Thanks for the refreshing and gently placed counter arguments. As usual we can't get any answer to the logical questions...

I am seeing you after long time. After you and geno nearly left this arena, I had lost the interest to visit this forum. Please come to this forum very often and write logical and rational thoughts.

This highly superstitious thread need lot of alternative posts with more scientific explanation.

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Dear r_kk
Thank you for your appreciation.

Now I am not after any answer here, not because one can't get any, but simply because whatever answers can be given, are destined to rest upon apprehensive defence of the ongoing convictions.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong in holding such convictions; and Nichiro has sent that message very clearly by launching a gentle request to leave them alone with their convictions; and they definitely deserve to be left alone with their convictions. :)

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Dear Rohit.................

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Dear Nichiro, please carryon without any apprehension. :D :thumbsup:

Moderator's Request

This thread seems to be getting hijacked every once in a while. With no prejudice of any sorts one way or the other, I would request r_kk, Rohit and the likes to kindly let this thread proceed with its participants who are busy discussing various aspects of their knowledge.

You are free to start your threads on how irrational you feel the whole thing is.

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Originally Posted by Nichiro

Dear Sri Sudhaama ,

I had written (four years back) the article on Guru during my research on Rahu) the comments about which you have raised objections.
What have I written??

"So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain"

can you tell me what is so bad about the above line??
Honestly I fail to understand. I too , am a Brahmin and I do not see anything objectionable in the above line.

Nichiro

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My Dear Mr. Nichiro,

I have replied by PM to you .. today.

PLEASE DELETE the OBJECTIONABLE parts of the posting... as I have justified there.

From now onwards we will concentrate on the Topic.

I will reply to Mr. Selvakumar's Views on Guru at the 9th House.

...I thank him for his SAME-SIDE GOAL.!
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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

I will reply to Mr. Selvakumar's Views on Guru at the 9th House.

...I thank him for his SAME-SIDE GOAL.!
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Sudhaama, Could you please explain more on this ? Couldn't understand :?
Which post of me made you feel so?

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Guru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to its Negative-effect by location in other houses.. as I have learnt from Books, Experts as well as by practical observation too.

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Sudhamma,
I have seen GURU in the 7th house in Rajinikanth's horoscope. Lagna is Leo.
Guru - 5th house and 8th house lord.
I think we know very well about how RK's marriage life was :D
Yes.. Practically I havenot seen much negative effect for people who have GURU in the 7th house and 9th house.

But if we have to look as per the rules, I think NIchiro too has a point. I think it depends on lot of factors as you mentioned.

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Sorry Selvakumar... On my comment as your "Same-side Goal"... it was my Typographical error to have mentioned as Guru in the 9th House .. It should be read as 7th..

My categorical stand is... that the General Formulae on Guru that he is a Parasite for any House he is located...

...does not apply to the Two Houses.. 7th and 9th... where by his location, the strtength of such a house is enhanced...

..as well as that the Guru in 7th and 9th becomes Benefic.

The case of Mr Rajanikanth, the famous Tamil-cine-Actor... which you have quoted as of 7th Guru... is a GOOD EXAMPLE for my stand..

He has an exceptionally Good wife... on which he is quite happy and proud says Rajni.

And we are seeing how she has added glory to her husband by establishing and running under her management an Educational Institution of emulative Moral-values.

All these are because of 7th house Guru... for the Husband Rajni..

Seventh house... KALHATHRA-STHAANAM... denotes only about the Wife and her qualities, HER APPROACH towards her husband etc...

.. and NOT ON HOW THE HUSBAND WILL TREAT HER...

..Nor on how the Married-life will be....nor any other relevant factor.

For all such aspects on the Married-Life of the Horoscope-holder...

....IN ADDITION TO 7th HOUSE...

... we have to study... the 2nd( Kudumba-Sthaanam)... 12th (Sayana- Bhoga- Sthaanam)... 4th (Sukha- Sthaanam)... 8th (Saanthi- Sthaanam)...9th (Dharma / Bhaagya- Sthaanam)... also...

.. as well as the Factors of the respective Kalhathra-Kaarakan...

.. and the Factors of Mangala-Griha MARS too... All these concurrently.

So, at any part of the past... if Rajni had not duly reciprocated to the degree of love and commitments of his Wife... or if the couple had misunderstandings or if they could not lead a Happy Married-Life... it is not due to Guru in the 7th...

.. but because of some other factors... as quoted above...linked to Dasa-bhukthi.

And those were the Events of Passing-clouds... resumed to Normalcy subsequently.

If Guru at 7th were bad... the whole Life-time would have been affected.. because of the wife and not just a part only.

For example Guru in Lagna is bad. ..as proved by the Reality of Lord Rama's Horoscope.... all through His Life....

..especially because of His wife... Seetha.... even though a Glorious Wife.!

I do not understand... why Mr Nichiro says that he will not discuss on Rama's Horoscope... being the "Chewed" one...!

In fact all Astrologers...even now-a-days... often quote Rama's Horoscope Nth time... as a Yardstick and Exemplary one ...

...rendering us unending amount of furthermore proofs on Reality of Life... anew every time... by means of deeper insights

..Similar to the Ocean...which is still quoted as example repeatedly by the Poets..

...even though Ocean too is a "Chewed" Simile for the Poets, Scientists, Philosophers and Artists.!

Lord Rama's Horoscope is the BEST ONE...any Human can afford to have.

...But still He suffered.!. WHY?. There lies the Logic of Astrology. Mankind has to learn !!!
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Friends,

This is 2nd instalment of an article I wrote about 3 or 4 years back on Guru. I hope you would like it.


Guru Bhagawan as Giver of DHI Intellectual Aura, Tejas, Brilliance of Dhi shakti etc. is highly reveared in Vedic Astrology. His aspect infuses life, fortifies athe Bhava he aspects and gives superior grasping power of shastras.

In my last posting on Guru I have tried and posted some charts to corroborate the dictum BHAVA NASHA KARO JEEVA, I had posted its effects till 5th bhava. Some time back, in other postings in Another discussion group, I had posted my findings on Guru in 7th bhava also .

I have found Guru in 7th bhava delaying marriages and also giving an inclination of straying from normal marital life .It has been found to give love marriages and Extra marital interests.

Guru in 8th bhava has been found to take life and give Alpayu/Madhyayu to jatakas.
Guru in 9th has been found by me to be very detrimental to father in a lot of cases. Father's luck starts dwindling after the jatakas are born.

Guru in 10th bhava has been observed by me to give failures in business to self and loss of property to father.

Guru in 11th makes a person first born or 1st male child or it denotes miscarriage/short life to previous borns of the siblings elder to jataka. Father is found to be eldest born or he outsurvives all his siblings.

Guru in 12th bhava gives destruction of Shaiya sukham resulting in very late marriages , remarriage and inflow of money.I have found people with 12th Guru earning in excess and spending little.

Guru and Sani , always give something and take away something.
If in 9th, if a person becomes lucky, his father suffers or dies.
In second house, he gives a lot of money and then lands the man in neck deep debts.

In 4th house, if he gives a house, he takes away vahana or mother or somerthing connected with 4th house.


My whole exercise in giving examples of negetive traits of Guru is not to demean Guru but trying to enter in an excercise to reach the bottom of the thing and find out why GURU gives very bad results.


I have done research into the causes and found the cause to be very simple as always. As written before, Guru takes root in a bhava and in order to give something in aspects to other bhavas, it sucks the inner strength of the bhava like a tube well or a wick of a lamp.In this process some attributes of a bhava are destoyed.The examples are already given as above.

The cause may lie in his ownership of Dhanur Rasi.

What is so special about Dhanur Rasi?

Dhanur is an Agni Tatwa rasi which is termed as KRURA or PITILESS .
It is the sign that falls in 9th house of kalapurusha chart.Over this sign, a Jathaka has no control as it signifies Bhagya and Pita.

If Mesha is the jathaka, then Dhanur Rasi is the father. Nakshatras in Dhanur rasi are, MOOLA, belonging to Ketu, Purvashadha of Shukra and U.Shadha of Surya.If you think the significance of this, it means, Father puts Atma Tatwa(Sun) in His sperms(Shukra) and thereby reduces his own life (ketu)
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Since only 1st pada of U.Shadha is in Dhanur Rasi, it means Father puts only a part of his Atma tatwa in the Sperm. As he may have many other children.

Guru is made the owner of this sign as the combination of Sperm, Atma tatwa signifies Sum total of Jeeva or Life.This is why Guru is also known as JEEVA. It may look paradoxical that a dry sign should signify life. But it is true.

Why the sign is Krura? This sign is Krura because When the Ojas of Father leaves him, he reduces his Tejas and his Atma shakti becomes depleated or KSHINA.

This is a krura karma.

All these is ok so far.

But why should the Dhanur Rasi be affecting its owner so much ?
I would like to take you back to my work on Plantery Nodes .
Out of the Nodes of Guru and Sani, we are concerned with the following nodes.

Jupiter'e Northen node GURA (My termonology)falls in Gemini,17Deg.40mts in Aridra Nakshatra.

Jupiter'e southern node GUKE falls in Dhanur Rasi .17Deg.40 mt
in P.Shadha Nakshatra.

Saturn's Northern Node SARA falls in Gemini.0.Deg 56mts.
in Mrigshirsha Nakshatra.

Saturn's southern node SAKE falls in Dhanur Rasi.0.Deg 56.mts Southern Node in MULA nakshatra.

IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF SATURN (Sani's Ketu), IT IS IN MULA AND THIS EXPLAINS WHY MULA NAKSHATRA IS SO POISONOUS.!!!Remarkable isn't it?

IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF GURU, (Ketu of Jupiter) IT IS IN SAGGITARIUS.!!
No wonder Guru is the Lord of Knowledge and Intelligence.

These nodes are as good as planets in those signs. Of the above nodes, it has been found that nodes of Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are very important and have a remarkable effect in mundane and personal life.

Since each node takes over 30,000 to 40,000 years to change a sign, we can practically say that they do not change their fixed positions during our lifetime.

Dhanur rasi is represented by A Hunter.
Dhanur Rasi has SAKE,and GUKE the southern nodes of Sani and Guru. It also has Mula Nakshatra of Lunar southern node Ketu.
Having three Ketus power is something very very powerful thing.

Ketu is termed as Daruna, Tikshna,Hangman,Atirogi, Sinful planet, karaka of Pain and suffering,Tamasika, living in cremation ground, without any Rasa,a snake, he is very old of Vayu prakriti,Akash Tatwa ,Headless spirit.

On the positive side, Ketu is Moksha karaka and Antargyani.
So when Guru becomes the lord of Dhanur Rasi, he is responsible for imbibing the attributes of Ketus of Dhanu Rasi.

Imagine how will it be when there are Two Permenent Ketus in Dhanur rasi and aspect of Sani's Rahu SARA and Guru's Rahu GURA on Dhanur Rasi ??.

Compared to this, Meena Rasi which is another Rasi owned by Guru , is totally opposite in nature more in tune with Guru's good attributes.
Hence Guru gives two types of results whenever he occupies anysign.
This result is part negetive and part positive.

So when we talk of Guru and his effects, we are talking of a planet with almost exactly opposite attributes.

He is a hangman and a killer and at the same time Giver of Life.
He is the chief cause of disease and he is the medicine.

Guru is very mighty and has very benign aspect.Guru gives us oxygen and is Jeeva.Without Guru's help, we would all be Mudha and lifeless.
Let us pray Guru with all our heart and full faith.

Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:



Nichiro

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GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and RICH Analysis on Guru and the allied aspects... in a beautiful presentation.

Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friend of more than 60 years.

Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th.

Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA.

Location of Planets:---

Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA
5th (Kataka):-- KETHU
7th (Kanya):-- GURU
11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU
12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA.

Life-Experience:--

(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started. Father with meagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Education... Lost all the Parental properties because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles. Finally lost all the Properties inherited.

(2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the past. Sincere and "Hard-worker". Acclaimed highly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RECOGNITION in career. Suffered a lot for the major part of Life until 60th age.

(3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage. Subsequently 4 daughters and One Son.

(4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income.

(5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of Income. Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Co-directors in collusion. ..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with a Family of 7 members.!

(6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of Five Children... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated and employed... Highly supported and co-ordinated with her husband for the children's marriages by means of her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance.... Utmost personal care on the Sickly Husband and the Children irrespectrive of her Husband's attention or Family-commitment

(7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and the parents are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SELFLESS WIFE.!...

Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.?
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Dear Sudhaama Sir,

I am just leaving for my work place and have no time to discuss much in detail.

Your friend has Vakri Guru , the lord of his karma in Badhaka sthanam.

By just being in badhaka sthanam, your friend led a pauper's life but got a good wife.He got a good wife no doubt but he had cheating partners who were crooks and robbed him off his parnership, money and left him a pauper.
I hope you know that 7th house also indicates BUSINESS PARTNERS .

My point is, Guru , for his wife, robbed her off her financial happiness . Guru takes away something and gives something . So does Sani.


Will discuss more later.

Nichiro

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

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GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and RICH Analysis on Guru and the allied aspects... in a beautiful presentation.

Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friend of more than 60 years.

Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th.

Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA.

Location of Planets:---

Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA
5th (Kataka):-- KETHU
7th (Kanya):-- GURU
11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU
12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA.

Life-Experience:--

(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started. Father with meagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Education... Lost all the Parental properties because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles. Finally lost all the Properties inherited.

(2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the past. Sincere and "Hard-worker". Acclaimed highly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RECOGNITION in career. Suffered a lot for the major part of Life until 60th age.

(3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage. Subsequently 4 daughters and One Son.

(4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income.

(5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of Income. Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Co-directors in collusion. ..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with a Family of 7 members.!

(6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of Five Children... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated and employed... Highly supported and co-ordinated with her husband for the children's marriages by means of her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance.... Utmost personal care on the Sickly Husband and the Children irrespectrive of her Husband's attention or Family-commitment

(7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and the parents are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SELFLESS WIFE.!...

Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.?
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Dear Nichiro and others,

My Question is NOT... why the Jathaka suffered?.. and what the wife got or not?

But my only question here: ... GURU IN THE 7th ...KALHATHRA- STHAANAM...in this case ...GOOD OR BAD?...How? and Why?
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Dear Sudhaama Sir,

7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS, PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more.

Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th house depending on its strength and othe factors .

Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam.

Nichiro

[quote="Nichiro"]

//... 7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS, PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more.//

//Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th house depending on its strength and othe factors// .

Yes. Agreed. But in what way Guru has defeated the Strength and Bhava of the 7th House?... is my Question.

There are several cases in my vast experience I have observed as also advised to me by many of my Astrologer friends. And this one of my friend Mr. Vasu and his Wife Ms Vidhya quoted above as an Example...

... a TRUE CASE supported by ample experience of more than 60 long years.

One of the WORST HOROSCOPES...we can see normally in Life... since there are several Dhoshas.... due to almost all other planets too.

But invariably one and all Astrologers categorically assert... that this Jathaka was able to survive and further is able to exist and thrive...

...MAINLY BECAUSE OF GURU IN "SEVENTH HOUSE"... aspecting not only.. its own house Meena plus the 11th Laabha-Sthaanam.

Now let us see the status of other Planets and Houses clashing with Guru at 7th.... in all respects of that house.

KALHATHRA: The Jathaka has got an emulative Best-wife...HIGHLY LOVING...devoted and dedicated... and totally SELFLESS for the sake of her Husband. .. She surrendered not only her own self dedicatedly to her husband...but also all her possessions of wealth, jewels and Valuable Silver articles too... for the sake of subsistence of a big family, when the only Bread-winner husband became bed-ridden and sick subsequently. Finally she too became poor. What more one can expect from a Kalhathra?

PARTNERS: Yes ..Partners in business was an utter failure as already pointed out. But why? Was it due to Guru? No... In fact Guru has neutralized the Ill-effects caused by other planets. How?

Soorya the Adhipathi of the 6th, the Runha, Roga, Sathru Sthaanam.. placed at Lagna had done the maximum havoc... by aspecting the 7th bhava

Besides Guru is the 10th Karma-Sthaana-Adhipathi too. In that aspect Guru too had joined with Soorya to doom his life.

And Guru has got Kendra-Aadhipathya- Dhosha... due to the ownership of1 & 10 placed at 7.... which has affected his Sukha(4th) and Karma(10) aspects.

Angaaraka the Adhipathi of 2nd(Dhana-Kudumba- Sthaanam) plus 9th (Bhaagya-Sthaanam) ... placed with Soorya the Sathru at Lagna ...

... aspecting the 7th as well as Guru the Lagna-Adhipathi.. weakening the 7th bhava

Besides Angaaraka had become Nil to Asthanga-dhosha due to his conjunction with Soorya..

However all such deficiencies caused by other planets have been neutralized and balanced by Guru at 7th.

FRIENDS: He had the best friends true to its sense... who have come to his succour at his worst circumstances.

// Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam.//

Ah !... STOP TREATING THE KALHATHRA Bhavam?.. Why?. That is my main point of argument my dear friend.

So I sum up...My firm Stand ... DIFFERING WITH YOU...are.

(1) Guru at 7th and 9th are the Exceptions from the General Formulae... in the sense of location. Rather Guru is Very Good at 7th and 9th.

(2) You say Guru and Sani give something and Take-away something else.

May I know which one or more of other Grahas (Planets) is different in that respect?

Each and every Planet including Guru and Sani... give something and Take away something else....

...however Best or the Worst the Horoscope be!... WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

Guru is DHARMA-KAARAKA.... So he establishes JUSTICE... to EVERYBODY.
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Dear Sudhaama Sir,

You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means all indications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent.
A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know how did that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with her money/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much more malefic, he would have done further damage.

There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house.
Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasa periods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka.

Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact.

Please read my 2nd posting on Guru again. I have great regards for Guru.

Guru does not do justice. It is the work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment. Guru is a priest.



I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Nev

Nichiro

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[quote="Nichiro"]

//You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means all indications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent.//

I am closely following your every point.

And what you say that...all indications denoted by a Bhava get affected, when a Bhava is affected / destroyed.... is the General-factor, I agree.

But do we see such a consequence here in the case of 7th Guru... especially on KALHATHRA-BHAVA.?

I have already justified that not only on Kalhathra- aspect but also in all other aspects of 7th house... Guru is good... and in this case of Vasu's Horoscope, the causes for his sufferings by the other factors of 7th house like Business... was due to some other reason as I had detailed. ...

...while Guru has done GOOD ONLY... with respects to Wife, Travels, Friends etc... as relevant to this house.

..Even in Business factor, Guru-bhava at 7th saved him... while it was detrimental by Karma-sthaana- Aadhipathyam and Kendra- Aadhipathyam.

..But for Guru in 7th..the COMPENSATING-BENEFIC... he would have been totally doomed to nil.

// A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know how did that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with her money/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much more malefic, he would have done further damage.//

So you agree that Guru at 7th is NOT MALEFIC. Yes. anybody who is OPEN-MINDED... has to accept this Fact and Reality..

Besides... as I have already replied to Mr Selvakumar on the same point ... I reiterate... that the Kalhathra-bhaavam for any Jathaka... denotes ...

..ONLY WHAT HE / SHE WILL GET FROM HER SPOUSE... AND WHAT WILL BE HER PROPENSITY AND CHARACTER...

...and Not what she / he will get from the other side / consort.

This factor can be found out ONLY FROM HER KALHATHRA-BHAVAM OF HER HOROSCOPE.

//There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house.
Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasa periods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka.//

Partly Acceptable... that the Guru-dhasa and Sani-dhasa leave a LASTING- EFFECT...even after the end of such periods... when compared to other Dhasas..

But this point has nothing to do with our discussion on 7th or 9th Guru.

I am still firm on my stand that GURU AT 7 AND 9 IS THE BENEFIC only

.. and that ALL PLANETS INCLUDING GURU AND SANI.. GIVE SOMETHING AS DUE ...

...AS ALSO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING ELSE... conforming to the relevant Horoscope...

... which is NOT EXCLUSIVE to Guru and Sani only.

If I am wrong... kindly disprove my above Two statements... by means of some other Horoscopes.

// Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact.... Guru does not do justice. It is the work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment. Guru is a priest.//

As far as I know... Guru is no doubt a Guru...Teacher...but he is MORE A JUDGE IN REALITY... by which He teaches by Practical-Lessons....

.. similar to a Judge teaches to all other Culprits as well as to the Commonman.

... by his advance- action of passing the due Judgements to the deserving earlier cases...

Sani is the Implementor-Police... while Guru declares Judgement.

//I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct me if I am wrong.//

I have already mentioned that it is of my friend Mr Vasu. Let us not overstretch on the matter of personal identity... because it is too private.

For us the Subject-matter is important... and NOT THE PERSON BEHIND..

Glad.. you have seen Prasna... May I know about his future? .. and anymore?
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Dear Sudhaama Sir,

If it makes you happy that 7th and 9th Guru is benefic, so be it.I do not want to over stretch this arguement.

However there are two charts in front of me with Guru in 7th.
One belongs to a lady who married a man who never considered her as own wife and had illicit relations with a woman all his life. She was widowed at age of 54.
Her whole life was struggle.

Another chart belongs to an young man who was engaged to a girl who broke her engagement with him. After a great search, he got married to just 10th pass girl. He is a double engineer

In my archives, I have many such charts but as you have taken a stand that 7th and 9th Guru is good , I will not discuss this point further.

Nichiro

JANUARY BABY



Pretty/handsome. Loves to dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows emotions. Takes time to recover when hurt. Sensitive. Down-to-Earth. Stubborn.



FEBRUARY BABY


Abstract thoughts. Loves reality and abstract. Intelligent and clever. Changing personality. Attractive. sexiest out of everyone. Temperamental. Quiet, shy and humble. Honest and loyal. Determined to reach goals. Loves freedom. Rebellious when restricted. Loves aggressiveness. Too sensitive and easily hurt. Gets angry really easily but does not show it. Dislikes unnecessary things. Loves making friends but rarely shows it. Horny. Daring and stubborn. Ambitious. Realizing dreams and hopes. Sharp. Loves entertainment and leisure. Romantic on the inside not outside. Superstitious and ludicrous. Spendthrift. Tries
to learn to show emotions.



MARCH BABY


Attractive personality. sexy. Affectionate Shy and reserved. Secretive. Naturally honest, generous and sympathetic. Loves peace and serenity. Sensitive to others. Great kisser. Easily angered. Trustworthy. Appreciative and returns kindness.
Hardly shows emotions. Tends to bottle up feelings. Observant and assesses others.



APRIL BABY



Suave and compromising. Funny and humorous. Stubborn. Very talkative. Calm and cool. Kind and sympathetic. Concerned and detailed. Loyal. Does work well with others. Very confident. Sensitive. Positive Attitude. Thinking generous. Good
memory. Clever and knowledgeable. Loves to look for information. Able to cheer evryone up and/or make them laugh. Able to motivate oneself and others. Understanding. Fun to be around. Outgoing. Hyper. Bubbly personality. Secretive.
Boy/girl crazy. Loves sports, music, leisure and traveling. Systematic. hott but has brains.



MAY BABY



Stubborn and hard-hearted. Strong-willed and highly motivated. Sharp thoughts. Easily angered. Attracts others and loves attention. Deep feelings. Beautiful physically and mentally. Firm Standpoint. Needs no motivation. Shy towards oppisite sex. Easily consoled. Systematic (left brain). Loves to dream. Strong clairvoyance. Understanding. Sickness usually in the ear and neck. Good imagination. Good physical. Weak breathing. Loves literature and the arts. Loves traveling. Dislike
being at home. Restless. Not having many children. Hardworking. High spirited.



JUNE BABY


You've got the best personality and are an absolute pleasure to be around. You love to make new friends and be outgoing. You are a great flirt and more than likely have an a very attractive partner. a wicked hottie. It is also more than likely that you have a massive record collection. You have a great choice in films, and may one day
become a famous actor/actress yourself - heck, you've got the looks for it!!!



JULY BABY



Fun to be with. Secretive. Difficult to fathom and to be understood. Quiet unless excited or tensed. Takes pride in oneself. Has reputation. Easily consoled. Honest. Concerned about people's feelings. Tactful. Friendly. Approachable. Emotional temperamental and unpredictable. Moody and easily hurt. dislikes nonsensical and unnecessary things. Guides others physically and mentally. Sensitive and forms impressions carefully. Caring and loving. Treats others equally. Strong sense of
sympathy. Wary and sharp. Judges people through observations. Hardworking. No difficulties in studying. Loves to be alone. Always broods about the past and the old friends. Waits for friends. Never looks for friends. Not aggressive unless provoked. Loves to be loved. Easily hurt but takes long to recover.



AUGUST BABY



outgoing personality. takes risks. feeds on attention. no self control. kind hearted. self confident. loud and boisterous. VERY revengeful. easy to get along with and talk to. has an "every thing's peachy" attitude. likes talking and singing. loves music. daydreamer. easily distracted. Hates not being trusted. BIG imagination. loves to be
loved. hates studying. in need of "that someone". longs for freedom. rebellious when withheld or restricted. lives by "no pain no gain" caring. always a suspect. playful. mysterious. "charming" or "beautiful" to everyone. stubborn. curious. independent. strong willed. a fighter.



SEPTEMBER BABY



Active and dynamic. Decisive and haste but tends to regret. Attractive and affectionate to oneself. Strong mentality. Loves attention. Diplomatic. Consoling, friendly and solves people's problems. Brave and fearless. Adventurous. Loving and caring. Suave and generous. Usually you have many friends. Enjoys to make love. Emotional.
Stubborn. Hasty. Good memory. Moving, motivates oneself and others. Loves to travel and explore. Sometimes sexy in a way that only their lover can understand.



OCTOBER BABY



Loves to chat. Loves those who love them. Loves to takes things at the center. Inner and physical beauty. Lies but doesn't pretend. Gets angry often. Treats friends importantly. Brave and fearless. Always making friends. Easily hurt but recovers easily. Daydreamer. Opinionated. Does not care to control emotions. Unpredictable.
Extremely smart, but definitely the hottest AND sexiest of them all.


NOVEMBER BABY



Trustworthy and loyal. Very passionate and dangerous. Wild at times. Knows how to have fun. Sexy and mysterious. Everyone is drawn towards your inner and outer beauty and independent personality. Playful, but secretive. Very emotional
and temperamental sometimes. Meets new people easily and very social in a group. Fearless and independent. Can hold their own. Stands out in a crowd. Essentially very smart. Usually, the greatest men are born in this month. If you ever begin a relationship with someone from this month, hold on to them because their one of a kind.

DECEMBER BABY



This straight-up means ur the most good-looking person possible... better than all of these other months! Loyal and generous. Patriotic. Competitive in everything. Active in games and interactions. Impatient and hasty. Ambitious. Influential in
organizations. Fun to be with. Easy to talk to, though hard to understand. Thinks far with vision, yet complicated to know. Easily influenced by kindness. Polite and soft-spoken. Having lots of ideas. Sensitive. Active mind. Hesitating, tends to delay. Choosy and always wants the best. Temperamental. Funny and humorous. Loves to
joke. Good debating skills. Has that someone always on his/her mind. Talkative. Daydreamer. Friendly. Knows how to make friends. Abiding. Able to show character. one guy/girl kind of person. Loveable. Easily hurt. Prone to getting colds. loves music. pretty/handsome. Loves to dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows
emotions. Takes time to recover when hurt. Sensitive.

Hindi madam...although its quite related to this thread their perception of astrological knowledge is more abt the indian study of the stars and planets..konjam different..although the month by month perception is pretty close..i feel it might be more of a common person survey analysis rather than prediction.

Hindi,

You have cut and pasted the whole piece from,

providence.craigslist.org/msr/190145436.html

This place is for discussion and not cut/paste jobs.

Nichiro

Dear Sudhaama and Nichiro and others,

I am new to this forum. I am very much interested in Astrology and I know only one drop.

An interesting discussion about Jupiter in 7th and 9th places.

From the disucssion I found that you all are discussed about the placement of planents. While analysing the power of a planet, we should consider malefics and benefics planets of the ascendant, Navamsa and the same time give importance to running Dasa and Bhukthi Lords and other combinations and proceed further.

I don't know why most of them are not considering Dasa and Bhukthi lords while predicting the horoscope.

My sister's Son born during Oct'6. Till 1995 he suffered, both health and financial wise. But now he settled in life and lead a luxurious life, bought two flats and cars, etc. and he is in Chennai. Both his and Lord Rama horoscope are similar. Out of Seven planets, (exlcuding Raghu and Kethu) Five plaents are in Own Houses and Two planets are debiliation associated with two planets and thus gets neecha banga raja yogas. Five plents are own house and two neecha banga raja yogas. From the planet position, the native horoscope is an excellant one and he may become an stong person. But due to weak Dasa and Bhukthi , till 30 years he suffered , now he settled down and made wealth. He is still working as an purchase officer in a Pvt. Ltd Co., in Chennai.

My point is here that one should have powerful Dasa and Bhukthi. Otherwise, life will be miserable. hence while analysing the horoscope , do consider the Dasa and Bhukthi period also.

sum1 tell me about the relationship between Leo's and Libras please :smile: are they enemies or friends or tight friends? etc