Which is the last Bollywood film you saw ?

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Originally Posted by equanimus

No Smoking bombed big time, both commercially and critically.

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A film like No Smoking couldn't stand in any market, mainly because of its inaccessible storyline. But the point is, the cumulative audience for independent films (including overseas market, which I believe is sizeable) is higher for Hindi films than Tamil films. Hindi films also have the advantage of not belonging to any region and belonging to all regions at the same time. This, I believe, greatly relieves the director from many creative constraints. This is not to say that market pressure is absent. It is only that such pressures don't deter production companies from continuing to finance independent movies since the overall risk is lower.

I don't think PR's point on cost is exactly right. The last couple of scenes in Raghu Romeo where he roams the streets of Mumbai crying inconsolably looked like they were shot with whatever lighting was available using a concealed camera (I may be wrong, but the film quality in those scenes was awful). I am sure they don't have the kind of cash a mainstream movie has access to.

Enakkum Size of the market-la dhaan settle aagudhu discussion.
Mathabadi, Race, Dostana-lam tamizhla vara kuppaiyoda nalla kuppainu solradhu... kamarajar sonnadhu dhaen. Hint: It involves ponds and coconut bats. I defy any tamil maker to out-do the stupidity in Singh is King,

Indha bollywood-kollywood discussions from elsewhere:
http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajra...e-of-the-film/

(adhula pala peru inge vera perula ulaavikittirukkainga!)

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Originally Posted by Plum

(adhula pala peru inge vera perula ulaavikittirukkainga!)

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ungaLukku anga enna pEru :P

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Originally Posted by Plum

Mathabadi, Race, Dostana-lam tamizhla vara kuppaiyoda nalla kuppainu solradhu... kamarajar sonnadhu dhaen. Hint: It involves ponds and coconut bats. I defy any tamil maker to out-do the stupidity in Singh is King,

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What was the last thamizh masala you saw?

nerd, actually you caught me there. Romba romba naalachu - kittathitta 'vikram'adithan kaalathukku poganum- Majaa.
( But basic point is Race-ellam compare pannanuma? Stylish nothing - I am told Bheema was a similar stylish nothing and was criticised left right and centre.)
On the other hand, pala vishayangalil, Hindi cinema engeyo poyittiruku enbadhil endha sandhegamum illai. Enna dhaan sonnalum, spread market-nu sonnalum, Dev D maadhiri oru padathai release panna mudigiradhe. Thamizhla edutha release panna mudiyuma?

oops, I forgot Dasavatharam!

PR, asku busku adhai neengale kandu pidichu PM pannunga. Neenga dhaan writer aache - writing style vechu kandu pideenga :-)
(read it like Senthil to GM!)

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Originally Posted by Plum

PR, asku busku adhai neengale kandu pidichu PM pannunga. Neenga dhaan writer aache - writing style vechu kandu pideenga :-)
(read it like Senthil to GM!)

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ellA vishayamum therinja enakku indha onnu mattum theriya mAttEngudhu

(read like autodriver Karunas from attagAsam)

revisited DevD....i watched it with my frnds first time around and lot of disturbance......i wanted to watch it alone,hence the second time........characterisation - heady stuff......paro character in this movie is the strongest "Female" character i have ever seen in indian celluloid - atleast in mainstream cinema.......promiscous village girl who desperately searches for a place for f**k with her childhood lover and carrying bed in cycle upto the fields - thalaya suthhara madhiri aaiduchhu :lol: and her revenge on Dev :bow: i just felt scenes leading upto intermission and climax were cinematic excellence......

Delhi-6 on DVD.........i remembered dhanush dialaak in polladhavan to karunas - enakku padam nalla illaingaradha vida, ivan ellam advice panra alavukku en nelamai aagi pocche-nnu dhaan feeling-a irukku......another dialogue i remember from vadivelu's famous "cards" scene - "dei unakku sathyama, padam edukka theriyumada?" :x to ROM........abhishek bachan - shabba---yen?? edhukku?? vittudu......sonam kapoor and rahman music were the only things that made me watch this movie till end........ :) //sonam-sema figure-baaa//

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Originally Posted by MADDY

...promiscous village girl

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idhu sarchaikkuriya vishayam andro? The conv with Sunil(?) appo she says something like "idhukku munnadi vendaamnu sollirukkena?" aana, OTOH it does appear that Sunil is just BS-ing...

Can someone clarify this?

actually I am also indhi third laanguvEj... indhikkE thiNdaattam idhula Punjaabi vEra.... adhunaala subtitle-Oda oru thadavai paakkaNum.... aanaa enakku purinjavaraikkumE romba pudichchudhu

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

actually I am also indhi third laanguvEj...

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hey, me too yaa :)

bala,

paro says - meine kabhi kuch mana kiya tumhe.....and then follows it up with "ehsaan maan mera ki...." and then drops off - which should mean they had something in between them but it couldnt have been as deep as intercourse.......

sunil is obviously bullshitting when he says, "abhi bhi bula rahi thi kamre mein" and "do din ke liye ut nahin raha tha, itna dukh raha tha( :lol: )" .....magnitude of the second lie is again our judgement......

but i get suspicious when paro keeps asking dev "kya kiya meine sunil ke saath" & "kuch nahin kiya us kuthhe ke saath"......and then mellows down to "sunil ne bola tujhe?" "kab bola"........

i think it must be something like kissing or "touching" but not sex.......given Dev is a hypocrite, he wants a "virgin" in all sense.......i think thats wat his dad summarises later in paro's marriage "pata nahin kaun si pari chahiye tumhe".....this is wat i understood, could be that paro is "genuine" and dev spoils it all by haste - could be......but i think that wud reduce lot of weight in paro's character.........

Added to that in the Dev-Paro confrontation scene, Paro says, "tu karta sabh teekh our may karoo" which affirms the fact that Paro'd been sleeping around!

appidindreenga.... I thought the crux was Paro 'saving' herself for Dev and the such a thing going awry simply because all the effort goes waste as it can be destroyed by a simple slanderer (think Sita saving herself in Asokavanam .. all that effort for nothing). That makes her wildly angry. Dev is pretty much her world and to consider that he could be such a cad breaks her world. I see it as a "loss of innocence" moment.

Nerd, I think her comment was quite hypothetical. i.e. you did it but you think it wrong "IF" I do the same.

'Lletting' herself go is realizing Dev's worst nightmare and she makes the most out of that. Dev's father acknowledging Paro's beauty to Dev and the following line about the possibility he always nurtured is one of the most heart-sinking moments in the film.

I thought the idea was to leave it unclear whether Paro had actually been sleeping with Sunil. It's like one of those rumours that never get resolved to a clear 'true' or 'false.' The audience and the film itself is "relegated" to be in the same boat as Dev.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

The audience and the film itself is "relegated" to be in the same boat as Dev.

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exposing our hypocrisy too :lol: i mean, yes, are we discussing abt Dev's virginity here? :P oru foto-va paathu India-kku odi varavan, london-la enna enna pannano :)

PR, naan indhi propositions/conjunctions/interjections-la weak-u. Edhukkum subtitles-Oda (original DVD) oru muRai pArthuttu pEsalaan :oops:

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Originally Posted by equanimus

I thought the idea was to leave it unclear whether Paro had actually been sleeping with Sunil. It's like one of those rumours that never get resolved to a clear 'true' or 'false.' The audience and the film itself is "relegated" to be in the same boat as Dev.

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Yes, i think it was deliberate

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Originally Posted by Maddy

exposing our hypocrisy too i mean, yes, are we discussing abt Dev's virginity here? oru foto-va paathu India-kku odi varavan, london-la enna enna pannano

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"Avaru police, nee kaidhi"
1000 dhaan irundhaalum naama ambalai, 1000 pannuvom, munnappinna irukkathaan seyyum, adjust pannittu irukkaradhu dhaan pettaingalukku azhagu! :twisted:
<'Adjust panradhu' na i can only think of seat la adjust panni idam vittu thalli okkaarradhu>

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Originally Posted by MADDY

:P oru foto-va paathu India-kku odi varavan, london-la enna enna pannano :)

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I am not quite sure. He does stop making out with that girl in the barn at first before his confrontation with Paro. But the scene you mention is one of the earliest indications of the (im)maturity of their relationship, which might not have anything to do with his own virginity. As for Paro's virginity, I go with PR here. I am inclined to believe that Paro had been saving herself and the way she dances with abandon during the 'Atyachar' song is the equivalent of flipping her finger at Dev. Perhaps a result of 'is this what I get in return?' frustration.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by equanimus

The audience and the film itself is "relegated" to be in the same boat as Dev.

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exposing our hypocrisy too :lol: i mean, yes, are we discussing abt Dev's virginity here? :P oru foto-va paathu India-kku odi varavan, london-la enna enna pannano :)

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Hmm... see we are evaluating the story from where the characters stand. Paro mentions Dev's double standards as a statement. If he had not spurned her, her reactions to her possible histories would have been quite unlike his reaction to her alleged history. That is quite clear from the characterizations.

From the beginning it is always indicated that perhaps Dev is not as mad about Paro as she is about him. Yes it is combined with the traditional male-female expectations. But more than that the emphasis is on the specific situations of those particular characters

It is only after he loses her that Dev really feels it. That is indeed a masculine yearning for a possession lost and kicking oneself for something one is solely responsible for. But the two are IMO meshed together inextricably in the film.

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Originally Posted by kannannn

the way she dances with abandon during the 'Atyachar' song is the equivalent of flipping her finger at Dev.

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Exactly !

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Originally Posted by kannannn

Perhaps a result of 'is this what I get in return?' frustration.

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I am yet again reminded of ramayana only. podalangai wrote a lovely post - one of the best I have read in the Hub - comparing the fire-test confrontation scenes in Valmiki and Kamban.
In the former Sita rues her fate and asked that the earth consume her. In Kamban she gives it back to Rama who had the audacity to suspect her and expresses annoyance that she had wasted her life guarding her virtue for such a man.

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

From the beginning it is always indicated that perhaps Dev is not as mad about Paro as she is about him. Yes it is combined with the traditional male-female expectations. But more than that the emphasis is on the specific situations of those particular characters

It is only after he loses her that Dev really feels it. That is indeed a masculine yearning for a possession lost and kicking oneself for something one is solely responsible for. But the two are IMO meshed together inextricably in the film.

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Originally Posted by kannannn

As for Paro's virginity, I go with PR here. I am inclined to believe that Paro had been saving herself and the way she dances with abandon during the 'Atyachar' song is the equivalent of flipping her finger at Dev. Perhaps a result of 'is this what I get in return?' frustration.

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PR/Kannan,
Actually the point is rather simple. All these (Paro is mad about Dev more than Dev is about her, Paro dancing with abandon after Dev ditches her, or what have you) will hold just as good even if she did get involved with someone else (by happenstance or for whatever reasons). It might have happened (if at all) arbitrarily under inexplicable circumstances. Or may be, as Maddy said, it was something "in the middle." It's quite clear that Sunil is greatly exaggerating what happened between him and Paro. Who is to judge? How does it automatically contradict Paro's love? The scene where Paro asks for the keys to Sunil's room establishes her love for Dev very well. "Mera Dev aa gayaa hai..." is all she tells Sunil, and it's as if the latter knew it all along.

Incidentally someone put this question to Kashyap himself during a rediff chat he had with his fans. I got to see this via the comments section of Baradwaj Rangan's blog.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

How does it automatically contradict Paro's love?

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Not in the absolute. That is the hypocrisy point Maddy is making. But in her given circumstances and characterization I think it does contradict.

'Something on the side' may not be much to Dev. But in my reading that isn't the case for Paro. That is why the mattress-cycle scene is an audacious testament of her mad love for Dev.

To put it another way... 'it becomes even more beautiful' if Paro had deemed it to be contradictory. It heightens the importance of 'mera Dev' and makes her revenge and Dev's loss exponentially more intense.

Now, what would you call an aesthetic expectation that attributes chauvinism and regressive tendencies to the characters. Is it itself chauvinistic. Maddy, remba yOsikka vachchuteenga...:-)

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kaustubh asked, Hi Anurag, why did you ditch Ramu ? The poor fellow is making horrible fims with pathetic scripts these days. Maybe he needs a scriptwriter like you again.
Anurag Kashyap answers, He cheated on me with another writer so I had to break up with him.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

Maddy, remba yOsikka vachchuteenga...:-)

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:lol: actually it was Bala who had the doubt......i dismissed her as "promiscous" :)

Thanks for the link EQ:

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Anurag Kashyap answers, I don't know what happened between them. Paro knows best

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he knew exactly how this sequence had to come out :)

//goyyala, goyaa, ennama feel panni padam eduthhurukkanya :( //

Maddy,

I beg to differ. Delhi-6 is MASTERSTROKE!!! I didnt like RDB but ROM have come with a very close socially oriented theme with perfect casting, meticulously crafted and the way he interlinked Ramayanam, religious fundamentalist is topnotch. I have to say that the ending is bit slack but not disoriented. I really dont know how else ROM/PJ/* the writers team or anyone could have ended it. Its a perfect movie for my liking and there are lot to be discovered scene by scene and Its warrants multiple viewings (which I hardly do) with subtitles. More than anything its bloo$y ORIGINAL! And I have to proudly say ROM have outclassed ARR's music.

OTOH, I dont intend to compare but Dev D in one line is a simple remake of an old saga. Whoever attempted for such contemporary versions might have ended in a similar fashion sex, drugs, betrayal, school girl molested, father suicide, mother's neglectfulness that leads the girl to prostitution for living and education... Nothing extraordinary in terms of screenplay and execution but soundtrack is archetype and rocks bigtime he certainly deserves a huge applaud!! Go Amit!

//D after effects.....Coming on my blog///

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Originally Posted by Scale

I really dont know how else.... anyone could have ended it.

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By the time the film ended , not many were questioning how it ended but rested content with a word of thanks that it did end.

:lol:

I expected it. The same with Dev D here :wink: Opinions differ.

Just curious: Is there any one who thinks alike having watched both the films.

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Originally Posted by Scale

And I have to proudly say ROM have outclassed ARR's music.

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yes, last time someone outclassed "thalaivar's" music was kalaprabhu

Just recently I got around to watch Jodha Akbar on flight (no other option). Initially I watched it for ARR's songs and BGM. The first 30 minutes were pretty bad, not since Sanjay khan's sunday show tipu sultan, I had to sit through such corny war scenes. And ARR's BGM was unbeleivably disappointing, he normally revels in such scenes. But I still havent gone to Jashn-E-bahara and In lamhon, so I was willing to wait.

But surprisingly the film did get better and I found myself enjoying the post-marriage love scenes. It was like mounaragam film set in historic times. And ARR more than made up for his disappointing show in the beginning. What a lovely score!!! If you think Jashn E bahaara is sweet, watch it on the film... it is simply BEAUTIFUL, it captures the beautiful feeling of love throbbing between the leads, it is like that gentle breeze which makes you feel good about everything around you. The mood of the song was SPOT ON!!!

It is not a novel story, the director sticks to the cliches, but I seem to develop a taste for cliched scenes these days (last one I liked was vennila kabadi kuzhu). I found myself smiling at the small LCD screen most of the time. The dialogues were very bland though... Whatever the audience has to infer from the scene, is narrated directly in the dialogue.

Akbar: I want to give respect to your feelings. I will not touch you without your consent.. bla bla... WTH!!! :huh:

When Akbar's BIL instructs his wife not to go to her brother's wedding, she turns the sky and gasps "Bhayya.. mujhe maaf kheejiye" :banghead:

Cinematography was awesome!! great colors and camera angles, some spectacular shots every now and then.

Definitely a good watch, for music and camera (ofcourse the leads). Please dont mind the beginning and the ending :P

in the beginning, do u mean during the war scenes? I felt there were decent BGM pieces in those places.

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Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

in the beginning, do u mean during the war scenes? I felt there were decent BGM pieces in those places.

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Enakku pidikala, I had higher expectations. But when the same peice was repeated for finale one on one, it felt apt.

The BGM for love scenes were truly rocking stuff. In the first night scene, when Akbar tries to approach Jodha, he lets the string repeat some short notes hesitatingly, to indicate Hrithik making his advances. But when he touches her hands, Jodha retracts it and immediately a solo mellifluous flute kicks off in a paraller direction playing an unrelated melody, while the chords at the background continues to repeat... It was beautiful!!! I thought it was indicative of Jodha not willing to play to his tunes and trying to set off in a different direction. brilliant!!!

Not to mention, how well the songs fit the movie. In Lamhon ki was supposed to set the screen on fire, when the love between Jodha and akbar finally ignites. I thought the impact was pretty good, still could have been better. While song had all the moments in music, the build up in the narrative and execution could have been better.

Definitely one of the best works of ARR :thumbsup:

8X10 Tasveer - Kukkunoor has lost it!

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Originally Posted by complicateur

8X10 Tasveer - Kukkunoor has lost it!

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did u watch bombay to bangkok? naangellam appave mudive pannittom :lol:

thamizh, JA BG score pathhi neraya paer complain pannanga - but its too boring to have a rewatch and verify it :lol: but when i saw it first time, i felt it was good :D

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Originally Posted by MADDY

did u watch bombay to bangkok?

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No, I hope it wasn't anywhere as bad as this movie. The writing is awful, the acting is stilted and the details are pretty much like kids in the candy aisle throwing a tantrum - starved for attention. In essence a tutorial on how to mess up a thriller(?).

However, the movie ranks pretty high on the unintentional comedy scale. My buddy has christened Akshay Kumar 'Kung Fu Kuppu' in light of his finely honed acting skills.

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Originally Posted by complicateur

No, I hope it wasn't anywhere as bad as this movie. The writing is awful, the acting is stilted and the details are pretty much like kids in the candy aisle throwing a tantrum - starved for attention. In essence a tutorial on how to mess up a thriller(?).

However, the movie ranks pretty high on the unintentional comedy scale. My buddy has christened Akshay Kumar 'Kung Fu Kuppu' in light of his finely honed acting skills.

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same review will fit "bombay to bangkok" :lol: only difference it had a very talented shreyas talpade in it......i dunno y this guy is making such awful movies.....i remember reading a interview some yrs back that he was frustrated that yash chopra brand keeps winning and his/ramu's brand keeps losing......maybe it affected him too much :lol2:

8 X 10 Tasveer
Suspenseful story with the hero having supernatural powers.
A totally different plot from normal Indian movies. I can see the Hollywood trademark all over it. :)

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Originally Posted by Thalafanz

8 X 10 Tasveer
Suspenseful story with the hero having supernatural powers.
A totally different plot from normal Indian movies. I can see the Hollywood trademark all over it. :)

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compli - completely opposite review kuduthhirukkiraar :) let me check it out anyways................bachna e haseeno madhiri kanda kuppaigala paakkumbodhu, idha yen paakka koodaadhu....

last movie - kuch kuch hota hai.......god, i'm embarrassed to say i was a fan of this movie once upon a time......ariyaadha vayasu....enna oru artificiality...........rani mukherjee writes letter for 7 yrs-aam knowing her daughter will get her hubby his second wife at stroke of 8th year.......relationships and human emotions enna "golu bommai"-a? fevikwik pottu otta veikka....... :x

Finally finally, after recommendations from like a hundred people watched Jab We Met. Not bad at all but pales in comparison with JTYJN.