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Even out of form hayden won match for us single handedly. Maybe it was dhoni wearing a hayden mask against delhi or dhoni's motivating talk that made hayden hit 93 otherwise he is a lousy batsman
Last whole year we won most matches on hayden's indiv brilliancem but what do we know.
Maddy doesn't come here whwne dhoni fails - evne when other csk players win the match foer the team.
Dhoni oru match nallaa aditta vandhu ipdi sollittu poyidaraar. Maybe, we are bigger fans of csk :)
whatever you say... 2 overs 29 to win, 1 over 16.. in a knock-out game, when you are captain of the side, you need to be MSD...
enga thala Dhonikku periya whistle adeenga...
vivs, so this team minus MSD would have come to 3 semis with any another captain illayaa?! :thumbsup:
oh.. and only one pace bowler missing :lol2: okie, kud keep it up
pch...dhoni also contributed.But dhoni only contributed - dhoni only took the team to the semis than romba toomuchu.Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
I accept it.It was an awesome knock :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lawmani
and also irfan...dhoni ku OP ...adhuvum medium pacela.. :clap:
plum - second IPL we won most matches coz of hayden :o again :thumbsup:
the squad is the second weakest (after rajasthan) in the tournament, i would say that again. its not saying csk is a bad team - its been individual brilliance mostly, haydos/raina/msd (in all 3 ipls) - vijay and ashwin in ipl4. hussey shined in very few matches in ipl1, badri has been providing good support in both ipl2, 3. bowling has been a joke mostly, fielding as well except for last few matches.
its not blaming the guys in the team or even the squad - the mgmt were not ready to invest in a squad - imo they should have suffered, but still they get the semis berth everytime and given a chance know what they might even retain the same squad for ipl4 :bow:
directhit,
what else do u need the team management to do? - the franchise has been excellent in team selection.
they have bollinger,murali in the bowling dept.
they have hayden,raina,dhoni,morkel in batting dept.
vijay,parthiv - two of the most promising domestic talents among domestic batsmen.
I dont know what u expect from Team management - a team with gary sobers,bradman or what?
especially..selection parthiv,raina,vijay are masterstrokes!
illaye MS as a batsman has won only two games in ipl4. even he has accepted that .. but there is more to captaincy than batting and scoring runs illayaa? backing ur players/maintaining a level head/the body language on the field/marshalling ur troops... yeah all these doesnt come into existence when we win - only when we loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
its been individual efforts (except for few matches like, attempt to defend 112 against DD and the match vs Mumbai) winning the team most of times for us - infact vijay/raina has scored some 60-70% of runs for us this season - no second thoughts on that
vivs - heard of teams Delhi/Mumbai/KKR/KXI (yeah even them)/BRC and DC?! they have bradman/sobers/ambrose and viv richards playing for em :lol2:
and morkel in batting dept :bow: :bow:
CSK mgmt seems to be the most Kanjus after Rajasthan
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Now u are contradicting urself!Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
yes.Dhoni is a good captain...but..as u said its individual brilliances like haydos,vijay and dhoni yesterday that pushed us to semis
Deccan has a worse squad. Vaas leaked, brouht harris and rp, they leaked worse; gilly failed worse than hayden(he'll ofcourse correct this in semis,gilly); no m vijay equivalent, not even a badri equivalent. Symmo did well only on and off. All other overseas players failures(d wayne smith worse than morkel)m
But idhellaam naama othukkamaattom EnnA varalaaru miga mukkiyam
morkel was consistent than dhoni in batting in this tournament..right?Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
leave other teams - which batsman in our team do u say is a poor choice.. ????
nope - i have been saying this again and again - we are thrice in semis not coz of MSD's batting alone. there have been much better peformers in ipl3. he was one of major contributors in ipl1/2 as a batsman. looks like the captaincy thing is overrated as per you - give a good squad and anyone can win is perhaps the motto. then i have nothing much to discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
very good analysis about Deccan, Plum. aana CSK rocks. MSD is our thala :p
direct hit,
i dont consider captaincy thingi as overhyped.If you say warne's captaincy pushed rajathan to win the cup in IPL 1 - adhula oru nyayam irukku dharmam irukku.
If u say dhoni made hayden smash delhi so we won,
dhoni made vijay smash a century - so we won
dhoni made raina play well - so we won
dhoni made bollinger pick 4 wickets - so we won
dhoni made murali pick wickets in the firt half of the tournament - so we won - thats too much.
these are not rookies.
Dhoni is a good captain -I accept.But in this tournament - every match we had won - few extra ordinary talents have put up their hands.
:o idhu eppo? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
we have how many batsman in the playing 11?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
ada saringa :bow: w/o hussey/hayden we reached finals - naama jogindher cud have also made it :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
its not that MS scores their runs or takes wickets. there is something called backing ur players. bollinger doesnt come in this category. hayden (you will see in semis)/vijay/ashwin does come in that - this is not to belittle their performances, but its a very very important factor. anyways adha vidunga, once we win its all players and we lose its all the captain - happens everywhere, no issues :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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Originally Posted by Plum
righttu :bow:Quote:
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how come shane warne gets the credit for IPL 1 then? Did he play for yusuf pathan, did he ask raina to drop pathan in the finals? Did he teach grame smith and asnodkar how to bowl? Did he play for man of the series shane watson? Did he bowl for star performer sohail tanvir? Did he win a match single handedly?
Plum naama thaan vella kaaranukku salaam podara aal aache... Vella kaaran panna brilliant, athaye Indian panna thooo va.... Super oiyi umma yardstick and logic... Neer inime matha commentators pathi pesa pdathu... Fairplay layum 2 times naanga thaan number 1
Shane Warne mEla errest warrant already irukku kals :)
Dhoni's captaincy is one of the factors for csk to win. And I am not going to argue with dh and kals on this because I think they recognise this. MÀddy dhaan dhoni dhaan elloraiyum katputhli maadhiri iyakki jeyikka vekkaraarunnu solraar.
Csk team is not as bad as it is being made out here. I didn't realise this was dhoni thread - csk threadnu nenaichu ivlo post pannittEn. Unga movie hall idhu...ninga dts-la padam Ottunga. Sorry for switching on the lights. :wave:
Vijay ya oore thittinappa back panna ore aal MSD thaaan ba... Poi muralidharan interview va padinga.... Ithunaaala fleming kum dhoni kum cold war nu VB ye sonaaru.... Ashwin a back panni opening with Ashwin ellam surely helped our cause...
heck every armchair pundit was asking for murali to be played after the loss vs DC - any other captain would have removed Ashwin and got in Murali. else thts 3 offspinners in the squad plus Jakati - MS played 4 spinners effectively. and Ashwin won that game for us as well 8-) well whom do we credit - yeah Ashwin ALONE :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalyasi
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did u guys see VPrasad (bowling master) trying to get into the huddle to congratulate MSD...
:rotfl3:
we are forced to play Badri and Hussey together in the finishing overs, Tyagi opens the bowling or even bowl at the Death... and this squad is balanced :huh: and btw Lights are already on, u havent removed ur coolers yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Hmm when things were going wrong, msd's hands are tied in selection; fleming decides everything_nu maddy and ningallaam urakka sonnInga. Ippo ella decisionum msd dhAn eduhtaarnu solInga. So jeyicha msd, thotha team/flem dhaan reason. Bale!
Kals,I have been dissing warne's so called magic whenever opp arose. When he lost 4 matches in the start, I was gloating here :) apram he started doing well so I had to pammify because more I dissed him, more rr did well. Pamminavune dhaan they started losing.
dont remember maddy saying that. mgb anna said so and he is not even in the msd 'fanatic' group :P nor have seen kalyan saying that, not me as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
but you can obv see the differences b/w em as it is - i was surprised to not see MS come in at 3 more often - he did only in one match perhaps on his own account (and failed as well). murali playing along with jakati and ashwin was a surprise for me. has to be a clash of egos there. vijay opening - muralidharan already spilled the beans on that.. and then ashwin opening... sari vidunga neenga othukkava poreenga
Playing huss/badri together was faulty batting order - not a squad roblem. One can say poor captaincy but ofcourse, that would be a low jibe so I won't. If dhoni is a big hitter and badri consolidtor, then why send him in that position? Mgb/hamid have been saying this all along - send badri early or don't select him at all and this was proven yesterday. So, sending badri at #6 so far was flem's decision? Yesterday's batting order was msd's decision?
One thing - if msd goes to pune, maddy youlAm anti csk aayiduvInga but I hope/think not so with kalyasi and a few others here
so huss/badri plays where? plum - MSD himself has said he needs to face off some deliveries b4 hitting out - thts why he comes in earlier and tries to play till end. Badri kku badhilaa select panna yaarumillaingaradhu dhaan indha squad oda weakness.. Badri was not at 6 so far!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
thx, i can take my own decisions though, you can limit ur thinking cap to finding faults with MSD alone :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I think batting order is always tricky.. sending Badri earlier seems to be better, particularly from Badri's point of view :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
CSK all the way!Quote:
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yaaru sonna, fleming thaan ella decesion ayum edukaraan nu naan sollave illa... Toss jeicha batting pannanum nu fleming a convince pannave romba kastama irnthuchu nu MSD thaan velipadayave sonaaru... he had to convince fleming for each and every decesion he made.... VB oda blog a naa daily inga update pannaren illa.. poi padinga... Dropping murali cost us the game nu eppadi solli irukaaru VB nu.... MSD backed certaing players and they came good...
Kadaisila idhai solliduvinga :)
indha faultlaam we didn't find when we won yest. But hagiography paarkarachE, we react avLO dhAn.
Btw, maddy did blame fleming for the faulty decisions and gave clean chit to msd.
If csk win, who is going to complain? But going by this thread, that event will take msd above taylor, waugh, brearley(over hyped guy, btw), warne(another over hype), gilly(aussies did the same gilly is great captain routine last year after dc won), border, and any other good/great captain in cricket history
If mumbai win, which they won't, I will never call Sachin a great captain based on that. He has done well as captain but after that luck plays a huge part which if he has mumbai will win.
Dhoni ye sollitaaru inime lottery nu... ponga ponga...
Kals, ninga sonna edhulayum I didn't counter anything.I don't know why you have to feel that way.
I also felt msd was being constrained but some people only say that to wash his hands off failed decisions - that is the curious part.
I have always been saying that Badri shld open instead of Hayden... naa eppo sollala nu sollunga paapom plum... not easy making decisions as a captain... we have to accept that... but overall he has done very well as a captain...
No one said this plum... Maddy sollave illa nu naa adichu solluven... failed decisions kandippa irukku and every captain would have that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
That it is a lottery after semis is something I have said many times here. And it is quite a simple observation. Infact, that lottery thingngaradai vechu dhaan I have been debunking warne and gilly last 2 years.
Anyway, deccan marubadiyum jeyikka povudhu - gilly "indha squadai vechukittu 2 varusham winn pannittaare"-nu aussie pasanga ezhudha poraanga. Appo irukku enakku BP rise!
Ofcourse he has done extremely well and more importantly, embraced Chennai - idhu varaikkum not a single comment on the weather, or compalining about lack of indhi, and he has gone up my respect stakes several notches for that - no doubt about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalyasi
Raina comes of age
Dharamsala: Suresh Raina has already experienced his fair share of ups and downs during his fledgling career but the youngster seems to be fulfilling his potential. After scoring 46 off 27 balls for Chennai Super Kings in their crucial match against Kings XI Punjab on Sunday, the left-hander is now the tournament’s leading runscorer.
In an exclusive interview with iplt20.com, Raina spoke about his new batting approach, playing under MS Dhoni at CSK and learning a new work ethic from Sachin and Co.
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It has been a group stage of fluctuating fortunes for Chennai Super Kings but you must be pleased on making it to the semi-finals?
Yeah, if you look at the first two editions of the IPL, we played the final in the first edition and were semi-finalists in the second season. And here we are again in the semi-finals. We are a team to reckon with. We have been consistent in IPL. Hopefully, we will have two games more to go and we will perform to our potential in those two matches.
The Chennai Super Kings batting looks powerful with MS Dhoni coming good just in time.
He (Dhoni) batted really well. He was really keen to score some runs and what an innings he played today. Those shots over mid-off and mid-on were awesome. He batted extremely well. He won the game for us and runs from his bat are really positive signs for us. Badri (Subramanium Badrinath) also batted well. So, our key batsmen are among the runs and the team morale is high when you score a win like the one we did today.
Tell us something about your bonding with MS Dhoni.
He is a very nice man - a dear friend of mine, a great student of the game. He gives so much of confidence to youngsters and his colleagues. If you look at his record, he is the best finisher in the game right now. He is a fantastic leader and leads by example. I am pretty sure that he will lead us to glory in the World Twenty20 as well. :smokesmirk:
How is it having the same man as captain for your national and IPL sides?
Yeah, it helps a lot. To be honest he knows me well. He understands my game and that really helps both as a cricketer and as a person.
You are going through a ‘purple patch’ with the bat. Everything you hit seems to touch the boundary ropes. How have you managed this consistency?
By the grace of God I have been hitting the ball well. If you see I have finished a couple of games for Chennai Super Kings. I have been middling the ball really well. Coming into the IPL, I was doing well in the domestic game and for Team India. So the confidence was always there and this season I also had my thinking cap on. I told myself that I will not smash every ball and will play each delivery according to its merit. I decided to first get my eye in and then go for big shots and that has been my conscious effort throughout the IPL. I told myself that I have to play at least 40 balls in each match this season. And this has worked really well for me and I hope to continue in the same vein in the next two games. I am the highest run-scorer and we as a team want to win the title this season.
How do you prepare for a Twenty20 match? What goes through your mind and what’s the secret for that consistency?
Look, Twenty20 is all about the confidence. I go into the middle with the mindset that I have to dominate the opposition. I have improved a lot in the last couple of years. I think now my shot selection is better and the judgment of deliveries has also fallen in line for me. I am looking to hit the ball with a straight bat rather than smashing it over everywhere. I know that whenever I will get a loose ball I can hit it quite a far distance so I do not worry about the rate of scoring. I think here a lot of credit goes to Gary (Kirsten) and Flem (Stephen Fleming).
From being named as one of the ten players to watch out for by Wisden to highest scorer in IPL, you have come a long way.
Yeah, it was a great honour for me when I was named as one of the cricketers to watch out for in the present decade by Wisden. I was really happy and I must thank my family who have always stood by me and encouraged me to be what I am today. I have been to boarding school and that period instilled a lot of discipline in me. And of course playing with Sachin (Tendulkar), Rahul (Dravid), MS (Dhoni), Yuvi (Yuvraj Singh), Viru (Virender Sehwag) and Gautam (Gambhir) has been a great experience for me both as a cricketer and as an individual. It is a different experience altogether when you have someone like Sachin in your side. His work ethics inspire you for greater success. You learn a lot just by watching him and other seniors.
Talking about the seniors did Mr Cricket and Mrs Cricket tell you something (Mike Hussey is nicknamed as Mr Cricket and Muttiah Muralitharan has been named Mrs Cricket by Stephen Fleming]?
Yeah it is fantastic to have Mrs And Mr Cricket in my side. Both Hussey and Murali have been telling me that I am ready for Test cricket. We are now the No. 1 Test side and I am really looking forward to playing the longer version of the game for my country. My goal is to play Test cricket. The day I represent my country in Test matches, that will be the greatest day of my cricketing career.
Batting was never an issue for Chennai but it was their bowling which was a concern. However, with Doug Bollinger do you think that has been sorted out?
Dougie has been bowling well for us throughout the tournament. Before joining us he was performing well against New Zealand while representing Australia. He is an asset for us and a great team man.
You grabbed Bollinger by the hair and tugged hard when he took a wicket. What did he tell you?
I will never do that again.
http://iplt20.com/news_detail.php?id=1579&category=news
"I will never do that again"
Looks like Bollinger has taken care of Raina off-screen :)
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Originally Posted by Kalyasi