most improved actor, yes but does it make him the best ? maybe but i dont agree :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
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most improved actor, yes but does it make him the best ? maybe but i dont agree :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Biggest casualty. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
Enga, Ivalo dhooram solren. Idhukku thaan oru Ebert vEnnum. I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie-nu edhavudhu solli ennaku sumaar oru 300 roobai save pannirupaar. :lol:Quote:
Good. I might watch it some time this week.
andha best veLayAttukku nAn varala. I am genuinely undecided on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
ippadi ellam sonna, madhavan mattum A.Ars-oda cousin brothera?? :lol: ..Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
it was a character from rural TN, with tamil dialogues and mannerisms of a person in rural parts, which surya must have seen and lived with.....
Thilak,
summA pOi okkAndhuttu vara vENdiyadhu dhAn. inga varRa thamizh padangaLla major films ellAmE pAkkaRadhu vazhakkam. "Just oru idhu."
avuha apparai solreeyaLA? Sivakumar was the suave, stylish gendilman hero of his times-nu solvaanga :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Surya is actually living up to my prediction of bettering Aamir khan. With films like Aadhavan, Surya reprises the pathetic run of films & roles Aamir was doing at a comparable juncture of his career, and better yet, he has gone shoddy in unimaginable ways. :lol:
Eh? nAn pArththa aLavu (which is close to nought) rural TN 'ai pArththiruppArA 'ngRadhE sandhEgam dhAn. sondhabandhangaL Pollachchi pakkam irukkuRAnga 'ngRa orE kAraNaththukkAga ennennavo pEsuringaLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Villages in different parts of Tamilnadu are not the same! And just because you've been to or lived in a village doesn't mean that any role from that milieu is within your comfort zone! Going by this logic, Inba is in Maddy's comfort zone because it's a city-based role.
Writing it off ! vera ennatha solla :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
enna dhAn nInga Suryava support paNNalanu sonnAlum, Maddya-ai inge izhukkaradhulErundhu enakku orE doubt-A irukku...;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
(PR, idhuvavadhu nice-try-A nikkAma konjam perusA vaLarudhAnnu paarpOm :lol: )
ha ha .. enakku ennamo NOV oru dhooramaa nikkara maadhiri theriyudhu doi :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
No, no, as a matter of fact, I thought hard to pick a different example. Particularly some role of Kamal. But Kamal oru street-side criminal'A nadichcha padam Edhum gnAbagaththukku varala.
Yeah, Surya was doing a character close to Bala's comfort zone. Whatever the milieu, it's safe to assume that. When it comes to filmmakers like Kamal, Bala, Mani, etc ( even GM :lol: ). They have full control over their characterizations, and closest to being 'auteur'! If you watch their films closely, you'll get what I mean. :)
Sari sari 10 year old gettup youteep-la vandhuruchA? :lol2:
savAl / MMKRQuote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
app_engine,
Yeah, that one. And sattam en kaiyil, iru nilavugal etc. But perusA solRA mAdhiri edhuvum illai.
Oh yeah, MMKR is a real good one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O37s1kVpX8o :rotfl3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
:clap: :clap: This kind of CG was not even handled in the western world ! Kudos to the team ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
itha scenuku thaan appadi scene pottangala :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Close up la kaamikkarathuthan Surya va :confused2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
ennanga idhu, tamilnadu rural ellam oru alavukku onnu dhaan(cutting down the nuances), adhum vera train-la gundoosi vikkura character ellam - pedestraina paakkuradhu dhaan.......unga logic padi, anything other than surya,actor himself is "out of zone" dhaan...... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
Savaal? Not exactly criminal though.Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
"nee padicha school-la nAn headmaster da" :smokesmirk:
Maddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
I'm amazed! Even if the role is "train-la gundoosi vikkura character," is it not out of comfort zone for Surya? avarudaiya background 'kkum Theni district vattAraththula train 'la gundoosi vikkuRavanukkum ennanga sammandham? I mean, isn't Sakthi obviously much more alien to Surya than Michael Vasanth (which you readily acknowledge as a role that's out of his comfort zone)?
If I'm reading you right (and I'm trying mighty hard to do so!), I think the way you interpret "comfort zone" is absurd. A role would be within the comfort zone of an actor if he or she has had the chance to see such a person. And an actor like Surya would have regularly seen characters like Sakthi because his father hails from a village!
enakku anbE sivaththula Maddy solRa line dhAn gnAbagathukku varudhu!
neenga solra padi paatha - VA old man character also very close to him - yen seriya pannala?? ennaga idhu, avaru apparu is from villages and they should have travlled to villages every year for pongal - their parents must have spoken village tamil in their house and his brought up must be strictly a village style.......michael vasanth madhiri families dhaan avaru paathe irukka maattaru.....Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
again, i dont want to speculate much on his brought up and background, but cant u see a pattern - good in rural roles and not-so-good in urban roles.........
seringa ophicer :P.....Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
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Originally Posted by equanimus
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Originally Posted by MADDY
ippa enna topic..
Surya ayan padathula thala vaarina style sari illa...
VA padathula Sameera va sariya katti pidikala... aathavan padathula belt reverse la poatirunthaapla.. ippadi ethaachum complaints :roll:
Surya intha valarthu vittathu Sivakumar o, Bala vo, vaero yaaro alla.. namma hubbers kku thaan antha muzhu perumayum saerum :lol2:
nAn solRa padi 'nnA enna? What exactly did I say to even remotely imply that that character is very close to him?! nInga nenakkaRadhukku opposite 'A EdhAvadhu irundhA, adhu nAn sonnadhA arthamA?Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
There's no such thing as "village tamil," Maddy! avanga appa amma kongu thamizh pEsiruppAnga. adhukkenna ippo? How does it make him -- someone who's thoroughly city-bred -- any comfortable with a character like Sakthi? What does it even mean to say "his brought up must be strictly a village style" when he grew up entirely in Chennai?Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Maddy, equa-vaiyE tension paNNittInga? :-)
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nInga nenakkaRadhukku opposite 'A EdhAvadhu irundhA, adhu nAn sonnadhA arthamA?
Tension 'lAm illai, Plum/Maddy. :)
Ok, now I think I understand what you're trying to say. Again the sort of suaveness and sophistication that was under discussion today seems to override everything else in your view in determining if a character is "urban." Which are the rural roles in which Surya was good? I can't think of any besides 'pithAmagan' (and I doubt if you've any recommendations either). Is Dhanush an urban actor or not? What about Vijay?Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Which are the movies. In which surya was good in rural roles apart from pithamagan?
Oru vELa maddy secret-A vel paarthuttu pidichu pOchO?
"thirumba thirumba pesura nee" sangili murugan rangekku poittaaru :lol: ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
equa, was about to make that point, chennai guys strangely seem to be more comfi with rural roles than urban roles......innaikku kooda plum-nar or P_R was saying bharath, though city bred, excels in rural roles only.....dhanush, vijay ellam at best lower middle class/middle class chennai, ch-28 types dhaan......i would love to see simbhu in VTV who doesent seem to be too comfi with english either.......neengale sollunga, alaipauthey madhavan character yaarume panrathukku ippa illa :D
rural roles- he was good in that hunchback movie- which one is that? :oops: ....he was good in college scnes in SOK - small town engg student, vera :roll: cant think...
yes plum, Vel was not as bad as ghasini in my books
Interesting sidenote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
IMO, Karthi can try. Forget his PV outlook. I guess MR wanted him to do Michael, illa?
unakku karthi AP-lerndhu DevD lerndhu Pulp Fiction varaikkum ellam pannuvaaru :P .....but tell u wat, i too like him - he looks immensely talended and more natural :DQuote:
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
nAn adhai ellAm commit paNNavE illayE.. Ray fan coolers pOtta set aavuRa orE AL ippOdhaikku avar dhAn. Waiting to see him in Oh Eesa (Club mix) paiyA stills ellAm sumAra irukku (Again, Lingu :lol2: So no hopes)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Excelled in rural roles like? I think you're mixing up "the upper class" with "the urban" big time. (I think the generalized understanding of the demeanour of well-to-do class is itself incorrect, and that was my viewpoint in the earlier discussion today. But that's besides what we're discussing now.) But if we're talking about characters from the rural milieu, I seriously don't understand how a Bharath or Surya plays them better than the urban roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
But those characters are also as urban as it gets.Quote:
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Gosh, thought he was atrocious in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
That's Coimbatore, Maddy! And he was virtually playing an urban alpha male extraordinaire in that film! (Didn't think he was that impressive.)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
No offence meant, Maddy. That was a joke. nInga sollalanRa kAraNaththunAla nAn sonnA mAdhiri AyidumAnnu kEttEn. PKS logic. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
idhaich cholla/prove paNNa thAn nInga pirayaththanap paduRIngaLA? In terms of suaveness and "English pEsuRa style" (like Vadivel says it), Maddy 'ai adichchukku AL illainnu dhAn ellArumE solROmE!Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Earlier in the day we were discussing about Hindi urban (elite) vs its Southern counterpart. Adhula thenpatta oru karuthu/agreement enna na a direct match between their heroes and ours does not exist. Our urban will not be "as urban or elite" as theirs. Off-screen too, illaya? Hence, we have city-bred Barath struggling to do a JWM but he excelled as small town mechanic Murugan or the angry young baai in Veyyil, not to mention the mute slumdaak in Fattiyal.
[Bollywood hero tapori character pannanum na i don't think it will come that easily to them but inga namma aatkal oru Chennai local a panradhu relatively easier]
Western influence has permeated deeper and wider there than it has here.
Barath ku solradhu almost ella current heroes kum porundhum with the exception of Ajith/Madhavan perhaps(?) aana avinga inga valarndhavanga illiye.
Maddy, idha thaan neenga solreenga nu nenaikkaren aana i think you are using "rural" in place of "small town" or "local".
However, Pithamagan couldn't have been "natural" for Suriya illeengala? In terms of locale and also because he was an actor who had till then been a non-actor with inhibitions. Adhu oru break-free role.
In fact, because Michael's character was rather quiet, even though it was polished, it would have been more comfortable to him (?), notwithstanding the slight Kongu Thamizh he speaks in real life(he doesnt speak Chennai Thamizh)... Well, we just speculate, avinga valarndha vidham, friends cirkuzh etc... idhellam irukkulla....