G.V. Prakash Kumar - Latest Sensation

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Idhai ivlo serious'ah eduthukka vendiya avasiyanthaan enna? He was trying to mimic the toppers of his time rather than making a mark of individuality. For an average listener (who doesn't care about whose music it is,what instruments used, orchestration, notes, blah blah) it will be tough to differentiate. I have bought IR mp3s which had a handful of non IR numbers. Aadiyila Sedhi solli, Oru Kadhal Devadhai and Kannukkul Nooru Nilava to name a few. Mostly Deva numbers.

Aasai, Nerukku Ner and one other album ( Appu?) clearly showcased Deva's attempt on sounding Rahmanish. May be due to producer or director's push too. How successful was he is altogether a different issue. But he tried and that is the point of discussion here.

ingE dhan mishtake paNNAdhingangarEn - more than an attempt to mimic Rahman, it was probably simply picking off from western pop. By saying he was trying to mimic Rahman there, you are insulting Rahman.

(Ofcourse ordinary listeners will perpeutate this ordinarhy karuthtus - as music fans, ipdi patta lazy thoughts-ai counter paNNa vENAvA Ajay? edhuvumE yOsikkAmA, Edho engathukarum katcherikku pONarnu solRa karuththukku neengaLum mukyathuvam kodukkalAmA?)

Plumji,

I've always felt that Deva attempted that with NN and Aasai. If its an insult to ARR, then so be it. He'll forgive me. :) But it's my genuine opinion.

Ajay - it is clear that he attempted but how did he attemptngaradhu dhAn question. It's like producers came to him asking him to "score like Rahman", an all he could do was to listen to a few Western Pop songs and simply lift them lock stock and barrel. In the case of IR mimicking, atleast he did the basic work of trying to imbibe the pattern and not lift lock stock and barrel from specific IR songs but when it came to mimicking Rahman it was simply a case of lifting from Western songs in an attempt to sound like Rahman

idhu evLO periya difference? He probably had zero idea of what it takes to mimic Rahman and all he could think was xerox a few western pop songs hoping that they'd be considered as Rahman style :lol:, so to me, any "analysis" saying "he tried to mimic Rahman" is lazy and completely poor understanding of what Rahman brought in to TFM at that stage.

indha levella kooda discuss paNNa mAttOm - apdiyE "Common Man" solRadhai analysis illAma EthukkaNumnu sonnA edhukku oru forumnu dhAn kEttEn. Hope you understand

Plum,

Leave out the lifted one - Akila Akila. It's something you expect from a man who lifted Kanda Sashti Kavasam. But don't you feel that a 'Manam Virumbhudhey' or 'Pulveli' was kinda tribute to ARR? Westernising a pure Carnatic was an ARR template then. Deva tried but fell half short.

I dont think so at all. Those were simply taking a western pop template and trying to add whatever he knew and had at his disposal. I certainly dont think he understood what ARR was pioneering then to even attempt to mimic that. You are giving Deva too much credit. I am sure you agree the ARR template was far more than just "taking a carnatic tune and westernising" it. That is a lot of reduction of what Rahman did and I certainly dont expect an ARR fan to reduce it thus.

On Plums note -

<all he could do was to listen to a few Western Pop songs and simply lift them lock stock and barrel>


First, Deva succeeded in sounding hip/youth/modern by all means!! Aasai, nerukku ner, vaali - copy or not - the shift in terms of the "sound" <a result of rahman's entry> was very well handled by Deva. Second, Sirpi, SA Rajkumar ellarum thaan kaapi adichaainga...now most of the music directors copy music- but with Deva its not just about copying, hes got some taste too.Only attributing Deva to copy is too much! Considering the number of songs he did and the vareity - he deserves some credit. edho vetti ottuna maadhiri soldreengale!!

Can't agree more on Saai. Considering the knowledge level of today's so called composers, Deva was way ahead.

I am a staunch defender of Deva in specific areas. Adhu oru pakkam irukka, I think Plum's argument here is the acceptance of lazy (for the lack of a better word) statements like his songs can be mistaken for IR's and ARR's

Saai
Vaali, Nerukku Ner = Epic fail. Sound wise and otherwise.
I like Aasai a lot but nowhere near the soundscape of Rahman. In fact, he became worse with time.

"say louuu say louuu", the chorus, violins always in a pitch totally at loggerheads with the song, bass etc etc - adapted well nu neenga solreenga, Rahman-like nu Ajay solraaru :shock:

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Vaali, Nerukku Ner = Epic fail. Sound wise and otherwise.

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Bala, the prelude of Aval varuvala song in Nerukku Ner - casette playerla to cd audio player transition appo we used this song to feel the effect..hehe. He packed his songs much better than others of his time. April Madhathil-lam massive youthu hit. We cant blame Deva definitely in the Melody/Tune wise. He has always provided some great tunes - sondhamo/copiyo!

I see Plum's point. I was just against stereotyping Deva into vetti otra aal. He is much more than that. Kaathadikudhu, thirupathi elumala venkatesa, sandhiya sandhiya, anbe nee mayila kuyila all in one movie!

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Originally Posted by Saai

I see Plum's point. I was just against stereotyping Deva into vetti otra aal. He is much more than that. Kaathadikudhu, thirupathi elumala venkatesa, sandhiya sandhiya, anbe nee mayila kuyila all in one movie!

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One of my favorite Deva albums. Good to see some appreciation for Deva :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

I am a staunch defender of Deva in specific areas. Adhu oru pakkam irukka, I think Plum's argument here is the acceptance of lazy (for the lack of a better word) statements like his songs can be mistaken for IR's and ARR's

Saai
Vaali, Nerukku Ner = Epic fail. Sound wise and otherwise.
I like Aasai a lot but nowhere near the soundscape of Rahman. In fact, he became worse with time.

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As usual, argument ennannu purinju post pandra orE asaami ivaru dhaan!

Saai - see bold statement above. idhu dhaan ennoda panchayat! (First postlEye pre-emptivea idhai sollavum solli irundhEn.appuRamum if you go back to reading my post as "attributing copy only to Deva", enna solla mudiyin? )

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

"say louuu say louuu", the chorus, violins always in a pitch totally at loggerheads with the song, bass etc etc - adapted well nu neenga solreenga, Rahman-like nu Ajay solraaru :shock:

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idhukku mEla solla oNNum illai, If Deva's sound was "Like Rahman" (as opposed to "westernised in a vague way but most certainly not in any way reflective of Rahman's musical style"), then Faramu is the King of England

Somehow I feel it's our memory that's dancing & eluding us, because we, non-musicals (and I say that with all respect, as member of the cult) immediately associate music to images - the director (Vasanth, Sj surya) and the production (Mani Ratnam, KV Anand, Jeeva and so on). Anything western standardized in the score/songs, we tend to treat it slightly (as it should, a peripheral detail).

Git - idhuvE nAn unga World Movies threadla vandhu Nolan padam paththi enakku puirinja arai kuRai vishayaththai ennamO expert opinion mAdhiri sonnA how will you react? theriyAdha vishayathula, "naan saadharanan, en karuththum expert karuththum oNNu" apdinnu solRadhula enakk udanbAdE illai. adhu enga pArthAlum adhai nAn kaNdippEn.

Agree Fla,
You and I know how I am totally against equal standing of passable opinion with detailed critique. I'm just trying to find out why this happens.

I'm trying to find out the cause.

for instance, there was a time, I would enjoy 'Megam Karukudhu' equally as much as 'Thenmerku paruva katru'. But as you hear more, read more and gain more understanding of the Art, you sort of see how debasing & devaluing this could be.

'Enjoyed more', 'Enjoyed equally'. The word 'enjoyed' used in an empty assertive way should be banned, I suppose.

one of my favorites from Deva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atiis44LCQ

i agree with ajay that some of his songs sounded like ARRs

:bow: Deva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cv5R5HwdYc

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Originally Posted by Plum

As usual, argument ennannu purinju post pandra orE asaami ivaru dhaan!

Saai - see bold statement above. idhu dhaan ennoda panchayat! (First postlEye pre-emptivea idhai sollavum solli irundhEn.appuRamum if you go back to reading my post as "attributing copy only to Deva", enna solla mudiyin? )

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I got it plum :-) In the process of giving that that MD that that place and that that sound, you made deva a cut and paste guy...in your word - all he could do is to listen and uruvify... My retort was to that line ONLY. You pilis seck the post and line I have quoted of yours

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Originally Posted by Prabo

Original kEttu paarunga...atha vida jivvunnu irukkum. Especially from 0.47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDKGg2Khq0

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:lol: deva ji.. kya ji..

till 0:47.. it is "kulukki vecha coca cola pole" after that "kaathadikkudhu"

but still.. i respect him more than harrison & pragash

For best mimic of IR (by Deva) :

enakkena piRandhava Rekka kattippaRandhava iva dhAn (kizhakku karai):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xrGM7hLylY

Ofcourse, none had a neat mimic of ARR thru out 90's (Vidyasakar came close in a few songs, Deva IMVSO never tried nor got anywhere near).

The best mimic of ARR happened in 2000 and after (HJ, as agreed by even Srikanth D, veteran TFM-DFer and a composer himself).

Actually, post-HJ, ARR himself has to work hard to sound different...

Listen to the complete 'enakkenappiRandhava', including the interludes :shock:

For e.g. pay attention to the arrival of the high-pitch strings section in the second interlude (prior to the cheap-sounding chorus)...

Deva :thumbsup:

Goundamani's costume in that song & his "dance" with Vijayakumar
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Originally Posted by app_engine

The best mimic of ARR happened in 2000 and after (HJ, as agreed by even Srikanth D, veteran TFM-DFer and a composer himself).

Actually, post-HJ, ARR himself has to work hard to sound different...

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App,Second part is totally wrong.ARR works on his own independent way you actually see Arr traces like kaiyil midakum from ratchahan in HJ dhaam dhoom aadiyila some song in car,like that in many instances
what you imply is reverse engineering kinda thing.from harris to rahman.
That doesnt have any effect in ARR way compositions or need to change.
harris arr,western pop etha ulta pannaalum antha loud bass kaattikoduthum...pokkiri vadivel kondai maathiri..

jus seeing the papapaapaa copy work... payyan chinna vayasula neraya cartoon pappaan pOla...

ARR's music has continuously evolved with time and I attribute that to his innovativeness and not to threat from Tom,Dick and Harr(is)y. Alaipayuthey sounded much different from the earlier ARR albums. So did Boys. So does Rockstar.

naan kelvipatta oru chinna vishayam, aasai padam vanthappa, why are you trying to copy rangeela songs nu Deva kitta oru magazine (IIRC, it is Ananda Vikatan) la kelvi kettanga......... athuku Deva kobama Aasai movie came first nu self defend panninar, athukku antha reporter, sorry sir but Rangeela music album first vanthuchu nu madakkinar (athuku Deva ena answer panninar nu nyabagam illa, also entha song from aasai rangeela songs maathiri irunthathu nu enakku therila)

why pickings only the copies of GVP........... imho, he has also delivered some gems on his own (till this time i havent heard of any "original" sources of these songs)... GVP's forte is uruga vaikkum melody....

1.uruguthe maruguthe from Veyil
2. pookal pookum tharunam from madarasapattinam
3. aiyyayo from aadukalam
4. all time favorite, un perai sollumbothe from Angaadi theru
5. aval appadi ondrum azhagillai from same Angadi theru

ithu pola ethanaiyo..... ippothaikku ithu mattum than mind la vanthuchu

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Originally Posted by rsubras

5. aval appadi ondrum azhagillai from same Angadi theru

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This one was done by Vijay Antony I think, his best melody till date for me is "Idhu enna mayam" from Oram Po/Auto

Ayyayyo heavily inspired by Inji iduppazhaga.

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Originally Posted by rsubras

why pickings only the copies of GVP...........

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The reason why they are picking on GVP is because he is now a serious competitor.
He is now the pick of Selvaraghavans and Balas.... now you know why ;)

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Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

Ayyayyo heavily inspired by Inji iduppazhaga.

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and how is that? :roll:

NOV Anna,

I don't find it logical when someone claims that GVP is a serious competitor to the more talented people associated with TN music. I find the claim befitting only the title of this particular thread. I know your support for underdogs. But you should also check on the reality. We've had many many discussions about this in the recent past. While he churns out 1,2 good numbers in a while, he also gives double the number of unlistenable ones. Less said about his BGM, the better it is..

Go on, live in denial.... :)

His strike rate is higher than any other MD now. And that is the painful truth.

His last 5 Tamil releases..

Thaandavam
Saguni
MUK
Mayakkam Enna
DTM

Only one musical hit in ME. What strike rate are you referring to? Then Anirudh has a better SR than any one else.

wouldnt you love it if ARR had that list? ;)