thumburu, you can continue to have fun with your digs at azhagi vara [but dont dare again to say things like even i can compose it, or its like nursery rhyme or its worse than srikanth deva's number... :lol: adi vizhum :evil: 8-) ]
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thumburu, you can continue to have fun with your digs at azhagi vara [but dont dare again to say things like even i can compose it, or its like nursery rhyme or its worse than srikanth deva's number... :lol: adi vizhum :evil: 8-) ]
vel, do u expect critics to perform? edhu edhu neenga raja nd family ya vida sensitive aa irukkeLe?
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vel sir, firstly, am not a "sir". apparam critics tendhu criticism thavira veru edhuvum xpect pannina thappu dhaan. Raja musicla vaLarndha yaarukkum konjamaavadhu andha aasai irukkume.
BTW I also maiden composed for the same song "sindhi pogum mugile" written by Udhaya of Dhool fame in Hamsadhwani scale :)
Thanks Vel :) I had been listening deliberately to 'Azhagi vara' in repeat mode to find out what is that people are finding fault with this song and why so much grouse :( I feel after multiple listenings that it is perfectly a situational song and nothing wrong init musically. There are no dliberate attempts to infuse some 'sounds' to make it attractive or no glamour. Its plain and simple tune while the orchestration is at its best. Especially the first interlude and the cahranam that ensues are a treat to listen to I dont think SD, VS or anybody else could conceive such patterns like
' Female chorus1: Ada thamukadicha thavuladicha thaalaam
Male Chorus: Hey thagara dappa..
Female Chorus 1: Ada amukki vacha payiru makka cholam
Male Chorus: Hey Damukku dakka
Female Chorus 1: oru ponna kanda...
MC: Pinnalla thaan poarom
Female Chorus 2: Hey Achukichaan
Female Chorus 1: Ava kanna kanda
Male Chorus: Kaattum bada Veeram
Female Chorus 2:Pichikichaan..
Male singer: munthiri thoatta sundari yekka machanukku manthiri yekka
Male Chorus :(Repeat) munthiri....
Male singer: Pozhappa vittu ponnunga pinnal poarom poarom...
Just to conceive such complexity for this small part of the song, it will take eons for any other composer (Yes they can come up with something like this only after sitting over the mixing console and try it out). Raaja does it very casually and we are ready to throw this away as junk.
My only grouse is the lyrics of the songs But from a layman POV that is also perfectly alright. Enna panrathu namma ellam konjam padichu munneri 'Elite' aagi vittom athaan ithu mathiri saatharana makkaloda paattellam kevalamaa theriyuthu.
evvalavu sathiyamaana vaarthai idhu...poli'thanangalil maati konda thamilanai cinemavil theerthu kattum velai thangar bachaan (also cheran) seiyaraaru; TFM'la neenga seiyareenga...vaazhga, en vaazhthukkal..for e.g. soru enbadhu dhaan thooya thamizh sol, aana thamizhan indru rice, saadham dhaan sapiduraan, soru saapiduvadhillai...'azhagi vara saadham thara'nna or rice tharaanu lyrics irundha oru velai indha song innavum reach aagiyirukkumo ennavo :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Thumburu,
I had the same experience. I didn't know 'Ragavardhini' when I heard it. It sounded somewhat like Charukesi but I could hear some vivadhi. So I sent a clip to my musician friend and asked him about the raga. He is also a very staunch carnatic fan and doesnt care much about film music. He was very impressed saying that it is great that they are composing in ragas like 'Ragavardhini'. He also told about the sruthi bedham in the other song, 'Agandayil', when Raja changes the ragam from Rasikapriya to Mayamalavagowla. He then told me that he had heard a song long ago in which Raja had taken Kanakangi and arrived at Panthuvarali thru a sruthi bedam. (Dont know which song he was referring to). So I fully agree with you that these songs are classics and must be treated as such.
I wouldn't agree with the complete dismissal of 'Azaghi Vara'. Yes, it my least favorite in the album but as RS says there are places where it can only be done with Illayaraja. I also was taken in by the same place pointed out by RS.
Assuming, we are not getting into personal attacks or heated argument, - what I reflected was - whether you noticed or not, I am one among you but didn't set my foot into the 'elite' category. My 'koomural' is that IR is composing such songs that doesn't attract the mass which kept him in the business for decades and will continue to do so, if they are satisfied.
I have to agree from experts like you on the intricacies of 'Azhagi vara....' unfortunately it doesn't please the mass.
If those continue, then we are going to see less and less of him in music. Yes, we all do have hopes that he will churn out more music - but who is going to finance when the market is gone? And I hate to see that happen. The only recourse that I could come up with, is that express my dissatisfaction for such songs so that it is 'heard' atleast by him. At the same time appreciate 'MG- bhajan'.
:exactly: :yes: Precisely - for that matter, any IR song - there is a lot of method to a seeming madness in any XYZ song of his - my advice is, people, pls disagree, but dont make sweeping statements ruling out any possibility of unearthing the little intriguing secrets that he packs into all his songs...including azhagi vara rice thara :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
some people think they have completely figured out what "the mass" is and exactly what "the mass" wants...